Cryto! 25 August 2013

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00:09:51 <cayce> lysobit:) the dick/boob ratio on that trap is way the fuck off
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00:58:14 <iceTwy> hola joepie91
01:02:52 <iceTwy> ~startgh
01:03:01 <iceTwy> ah, not botpie91
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01:40:33 <joepie91> oh
01:40:36 <joepie91> missing botpie?
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01:41:54 <joepie91> also hai iceTwy!
01:48:04 <joepie91>
01:48:05 <joepie91> sigh...
01:49:40 <iceTwy> hai
01:52:24 <joepie91> iceTwy: jabber?
01:52:58 <iceTwy> nah
01:52:59 <iceTwy> too late
01:53:03 <iceTwy> gotta sleep
01:53:05 <iceTwy> but heh btw
01:53:17 <iceTwy>
01:54:39 <joepie91> heh
01:54:46 <joepie91> also, iceTwy, did you read my latest blog post yet?
01:54:47 <joepie91> re: YAN?
01:54:48 <joepie91> I forgot
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02:08:10 <AnonO_o> you make some really good points in the Joe, but I think an LLC would be better to protect the individuals and contributors from lawsuits from tards
02:08:27 <AnonO_o> s/in the/in the post/
02:08:44 <AnonO_o> my regex sucks
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02:25:49 <HiveResearch> joepie91: u got video of presentation?
02:25:58 <HiveResearch> or audio
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03:20:55 <joepie91> HiveResearch,
03:21:04 <joepie91> AnonO_o: because?
04:02:55 <AnonO_o> what part?my regex?
04:03:06 <AnonO_o> or the LLC
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04:05:51 <ElectRo`> i need a  movie to watch
04:10:32 <cayce> ElectRo`:) cloud atlas
04:14:46 <ElectRo`> oohh forgot about cloud atlas
04:14:58 <ElectRo`> i think im going with vanilla sky
04:15:27 <cayce> kay
04:15:46 <cayce> I also watched jack reacher recently, it was okay
04:15:56 <cayce> but cloud atlas had me going WOAH every 5 mins
04:17:00 <ElectRo`> ive been trying to work on this list
04:20:43 <cayce> oh, tc has a list like that
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04:36:56 <joepie91> that's an awesome list
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08:38:24 <monod> I see a lot of reinventing of the wheel in the internet :S
08:38:46 <monod> because there are so many new people daily/weekly/monthly of course
08:52:08 <MK_FG> Probably means info on the areas where this happens (and projects there) is scarce, inaccessible or not well-structured
08:52:38 <MK_FG> That or they're subtly different wheels ;)
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10:20:08 <lysobit> I think I've found my new religion
10:21:58 <lysobit> I'm a Pastafarianism and I believe that the Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe
10:22:44 <joepie91> lysobit: well, that took you a while :)
10:25:48 <lysobit> Well, I used to be a kopimist, but now I've been enlightened
10:42:38 <MK_FG> Is that religion useful somehow?
10:48:23 <lysobit> Well yes, like other religions it is a useful guide to living a good and moral life.
10:48:38 <lysobit> It also sheds some light on how the universe was created
10:48:53 <lysobit> an invisible and undetectable Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe after drinking heavily
10:52:27 <lysobit> Which to be honest, makes sense... what was he thinking when he invented ass sweat?
11:11:59 <monod> oh btw MK, it might also be lack of info of mine of course
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12:58:31 *** Wod is now known as Patchwork
12:58:36 <Patchwork> I'm bored out of my mind here guys.
12:59:20 <joepie91> ohai
12:59:35 <Patchwork> AWW JOEPIE.
12:59:42 <Patchwork> I finished that thing, by the way,
12:59:51 <joepie91> thing
12:59:52 <joepie91> !
12:59:59 <Patchwork> The thing.
13:00:05 <Patchwork> With the realistic content generation.
13:00:16 <Patchwork> Readable content, that is.
13:00:19 <joepie91> can't immediately recall
13:00:27 <joepie91> my mind is a bit derp today
13:00:31 <Patchwork> Doesn't matter anyway, really.
13:00:36 <joepie91> so if you keep talking about it I might suddenly go "oh!"
13:00:45 <joepie91> and remember
13:00:45 <joepie91> :p
13:01:07 <Patchwork> It's not really worth elaborating on.
13:01:18 <Patchwork> Pointless busy work.
13:01:27 <joepie91> alright
13:01:35 <joepie91> I've been working on processing naptan/transxchange data
13:01:35 <Patchwork> How've you been, then?
13:01:38 <joepie91> herp derp XML
13:01:42 <Patchwork> Ah.
13:01:51 <joepie91> the documentation on transxchange
13:01:56 <joepie91> which is basically one XML schema
13:02:00 <joepie91> is a 290 page pdf
13:02:05 <joepie91> that is not a typo
13:02:11 <Patchwork> Geese.
13:02:23 <joepie91> yes :|
13:02:27 <joepie91> and that doesn't include all info about NaPTAN
13:02:30 <joepie91> and NPTG
13:02:36 <joepie91> (or was it NTPG?)
13:02:47 <joepie91> context: UK public transport info stuffs
13:02:49 <Patchwork> That sounds unpleasant.
13:03:07 <joepie91> meh
13:03:08 <joepie91> somewhat
13:03:14 <joepie91> on the one hand I like parsing stuffs
13:03:20 <joepie91> on the other hand, some things in there just make me go
13:03:21 <joepie91> WHYYYY
13:03:23 <Patchwork> I've just been looking for another project.
13:03:30 <joepie91> can't say it's poorly designed though
13:03:32 <Patchwork> Because I'm bored again.
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13:03:35 <joepie91> just very very verbose and extensive
13:03:41 <joepie91> heh
13:03:56 <joepie91> ohai daemon :)
13:04:04 <daemon> does putting no drama in the topic actually work ;)
13:04:07 <daemon> heya
13:04:11 <joepie91> daemon: to a degree, yes, it does
13:04:12 <joepie91> surprisingly
13:04:20 * daemon makes notes for future channels
13:04:29 <joepie91> instead of having to explain why I don't want drama
13:04:33 <joepie91> every time someone tries to cause it
13:04:33 <Patchwork> HE'S TAKING NOTES.
13:04:34 <joepie91> I just say
13:04:35 <Patchwork> IT'S A SPY.
13:04:39 <joepie91> "$name: read the topic"
13:04:43 <daemon> ah :)
13:04:44 <joepie91> and that usually is enough to remind people
13:05:00 <Patchwork> I can't do bad soap drama.
13:05:03 <daemon> how are the projects going anyhow
13:05:11 <joepie91> Patchwork: loggy is the real spy in here
13:05:11 <joepie91> :P
13:05:17 <joepie91> daemon: slowly
13:05:18 <joepie91> very slowly
13:05:28 <daemon> well least there moving I finally got one of my projectes to beta
13:05:29 <joepie91> I've been messing about with UK public transport data recently
13:05:34 <daemon> oh yeah
13:05:38 <joepie91> and oh god transxchange
13:05:54 <joepie91> I mean, it's not *bad*, it's just far more verbose and extensive than I have the patience for
13:05:54 <joepie91> :P
13:06:08 <daemon> lol
13:06:12 <daemon> I expected it to be bad
13:06:13 <joepie91> manual = a 290 page PDF
13:06:14 <daemon> makes a change
13:06:19 <joepie91> for one XML schema
13:06:20 <joepie91> basically
13:06:24 <daemon> well at least its documented :)
13:06:32 <joepie91> oh, it's documented pretty well
13:06:36 <joepie91> much better than most stuff I work with anyway
13:06:49 <joepie91> and it's actually pretty sensible
13:06:54 <joepie91> sec, let me make a screenie
13:06:59 * joepie91 opens 290 page manual
13:07:13 <daemon> yep im used to README written in notepad that is around 60 not-so-coherent lines of gibberish about weegie boards, larry wall and cpan modules that don't exist anymore
13:08:12 <joepie91> daemon;
13:08:16 <joepie91> and heh, well, that's Perl for you :)
13:08:43 <daemon> ;-)
13:08:46 <joepie91> but yeah
13:08:50 <joepie91> look at the screenie
13:09:00 <joepie91> that's basically an overview of the abstraction model in TransXChange
13:09:09 <joepie91> 'service' tells you from what A to what B you're going
13:09:10 <daemon> wow its a shame they don't keep the busses running as well as they keep the documentation for them
13:09:13 <joepie91> 'route' tells you what's inbetween
13:09:21 <joepie91> journey pattern gives you relative times
13:09:31 <joepie91> vehicle journey gives you absolute times and deviation from journey pattern
13:09:33 <joepie91> and, heh
13:09:53 <joepie91> anyway, daemon , I set out to writing a journey planner
13:09:54 <joepie91> for the UK
13:09:56 <joepie91> a sane on
13:09:57 <joepie91> one *
13:10:03 <daemon> there consistently late and or breaking down where I am
13:10:04 <joepie91> because until 2 days ago, I thought none existed
13:10:18 <joepie91> (and no, traveline and transportdirect are not valid answers - both are incomplete and crappy)
13:10:19 <daemon> no there is one on one of the bus websites
13:10:24 <joepie91> see above
13:10:27 <daemon> I think google kinda has one as well
13:10:30 <joepie91> it's probably either traveline or transportdirect
13:10:39 <joepie91> Google Transit is also incomplete
13:10:48 <joepie91> try anything outside London
13:10:52 <joepie91> or even on the edge of London
13:10:59 <joepie91> and quality quickly deteroriates
13:11:06 <joepie91> anyway, I found one that's actually seemingly complete, accurate, and not shit
13:11:10 <joepie91> and it does the rest of the world too
13:11:10 <joepie91> :P
13:11:18 <joepie91>
13:11:46 <daemon> well shit
13:11:59 <daemon> thats quite impressive
13:12:01 <joepie91> it's *very* impressive
13:12:02 <joepie91> yes
13:12:10 <joepie91> it even does air travel
13:12:26 <joepie91> and if you give it a date (range) it gives you the up-to-date prices for that date
13:12:28 <daemon> even has CO2 calculations
13:12:33 <joepie91> (most of the time)
13:12:37 <daemon> and hotels near by
13:12:37 <joepie91> (CO2 calc breaks sometimes)
13:12:39 <joepie91> yes
13:12:45 <joepie91> and it lets you do multihop trips too
13:13:03 <joepie91> I'm genuinely impressed so far
13:13:04 <joepie91> :p
13:13:09 <daemon> I bet the backend for this interacting with all those different services is a monster
13:13:13 <joepie91> haha
13:13:14 <joepie91> well
13:13:15 <joepie91> to be fair
13:13:18 <joepie91> it seems they got a very solid system
13:13:18 <joepie91> sec
13:13:24 <joepie91>
13:13:45 <daemon> holy heck
13:13:58 <daemon> Rome2rio uses data from several sources including API data feeds, GTFS data, outsourced and in-house data entry.
13:13:58 <daemon> Rome2rio uses data derived from Open Street Maps (c) OpenStreetMap contributors, CC-BY-SA.
13:14:13 <daemon>
13:14:38 <joepie91> daemon: basically, they appear to be using all the sources I've found, plus then some, plus manual entry
13:14:50 <daemon> its incredible
13:14:52 <daemon> really
13:14:59 <daemon> adding it to my favourites bar at least
13:15:09 <daemon> you think you can do better? :P
13:15:24 <joepie91> well, rome2rio is not open-source/open-data!
13:15:25 <joepie91> :P
13:15:29 <joepie91> seriously though, no idea
13:15:35 <daemon> you could do a wikipedia type one
13:15:39 <daemon> so its mostly manual entry
13:15:45 <joepie91> lol
13:15:47 <daemon> but the general populace keeps it upto date
13:16:01 <joepie91> yeah, let's have 4chan execute targeted vandalism campaigns on a journey planner
13:16:03 <joepie91> what could possibly go wrong
13:16:04 <joepie91> :P
13:16:09 <daemon> hehe
13:16:22 <Patchwork> Best.
13:16:23 <joepie91> I suspect a lot of people would suddenly mistakenly end up in front of the White House or something
13:16:24 <Patchwork> Idea.
13:16:26 <Patchwork> Ever.
13:16:43 <joepie91> *convinced* that they were heading for Cardiff
13:16:54 <joepie91> or something in a similar vein
13:16:54 <joepie91> :)
13:17:45 <daemon> hmm im not so sure ... after all the users would only be enter where the trip starts from and where it goes
13:17:47 <daemon> and via what method
13:18:10 <daemon> obviously london, uk to edinbourgh, scotland is not going to goto cardiff
13:19:26 <joepie91> just saying that there would be plenty of opportunities for 4chan residents to fuck with people using a wikified journey planner :)
13:19:51 <joepie91> for this kind of thing you're probably going to need some kind of manual review
13:19:53 <joepie91> if you do manual entry
13:20:04 <daemon> btw interesting random irc titbit
13:20:05 <daemon> <pagga> Consider this little comparison: if the read/write head were a Boeing 747, and the hard-disk platter were the surface of the Earth:
13:20:05 <daemon> <pagga> •The head would fly at Mach 800
13:20:05 <daemon> <pagga> •At less than one centimetre from the ground
13:20:05 <daemon> <pagga> •And count every blade of grass
13:20:05 <daemon> <pagga> •Making fewer than 10 unrecoverable counting errors in an area equivalent to all of Ireland.
13:20:18 <joepie91> anyway, more and more transport companies are releasing open data nowadays
13:20:32 <joepie91> daemon: heh, neat
13:20:56 <joepie91> oh also
13:20:57 <daemon> man im so tired todayu
13:21:00 <daemon> yah
13:21:01 <joepie91> daemon: you know Traveline?
13:21:04 <daemon> yep
13:21:28 <joepie91> did you know that they open up their dataset under Open Government License?
13:21:30 <joepie91> (ie. MIT/BSD like)
13:21:36 <daemon> thats retty cool
13:21:40 <daemon> why are you investigating this btw
13:21:41 <joepie91> .license ogl
13:21:42 <botpie91> Sorry, could not find any licenses for that search term.
13:21:45 <daemon> its a pretty off thing to suddenly do
13:21:48 <joepie91> aw
13:21:48 <daemon> ofdd*
13:21:51 <daemon> odd*
13:21:57 <joepie91> daemon: was trying to plan a trip in the UK
13:22:00 <daemon> oh
13:22:10 <joepie91> couldn't find a single travel planner that actually gave me a proper complete trip with pricing included
13:22:16 <joepie91> decided to see if I could write my own
13:22:39 <joepie91> anyway
13:22:39 <joepie91> daemon:
13:22:54 <joepie91> I sent in an application a few days ago, got my login data the next day iirc
13:23:14 <joepie91> (it's FTP, updated weekly)
13:23:18 <daemon> hey I have something rather fun in one of my projects too
13:23:36 <joepie91> do tell
13:24:00 <daemon>
13:24:07 <Patchwork> Actually joepie, I totally do have a quesion.
13:24:22 <Patchwork> How do you afford to stay on the internet twenty four seven and still take holidays?
13:24:30 <daemon>
13:24:35 <joepie91> Patchwork: how do you mean?
13:24:36 <daemon> statistical bet analizer
13:24:41 <daemon> with 1620% ROI
13:24:46 <Patchwork> You're on here....constantly.
13:24:47 <daemon> over 800 matches naalizer :P
13:24:49 <Patchwork> How do you money?
13:24:51 <daemon> analized*
13:25:15 <daemon> 0.884: 1.63 [right: 280][wrong: 39]
13:25:30 <Patchwork> ...The fuck
13:25:34 <joepie91> Patchwork: I used to money through donations
13:25:39 <joepie91> I now money through paid open-source work
13:25:44 <Patchwork> Ah.
13:25:49 <joepie91> (working from home)
13:26:14 <joepie91> and given I can't access half my shit and some other circumstances, I'm currently basically filling my day doing random code stuff and wondering what else to do
13:26:23 <joepie91> daemon: let me have a look
13:26:48 <daemon> joepie91, I created a client/server POE framework and hooked the clients to a selenium model in a virutal box
13:26:59 <daemon> to get an autonamouse firefox that logs into a betting site
13:27:10 <daemon> it captchas every odd change and match twist which it stores in a postgres database
13:27:20 <joepie91> hmm
13:27:22 <daemon> allowing me to run tests against the said datasets looking for patterns
13:27:23 <joepie91> why firefox?
13:27:34 <daemon> > ls | grep -i test
13:27:34 <daemon> test_football_favourite_from_match_start
13:27:34 <daemon> test_football_halftime_favourite
13:27:34 <daemon> test_football_halftime_favourite_with_goal_lead
13:27:34 <daemon> test_football_halftime_favourite_with_goal_lead_dynamic
13:27:34 <daemon> test_football_halftime_favourite_with_goal_lead_dynamic_range
13:27:34 <daemon> test_football_with_2goal_lead
13:27:34 <daemon> test_tennis_first_to_win_a_set
13:27:34 <daemon> test_tennis_halftime_favourite
13:27:41 <daemon> it was just the easiest one to do it against
13:27:46 <daemon> selenium is developed to work with any browser
13:27:51 <daemon> but firefox is the default
13:28:00 <joepie91> yes, but why do you need a browser?
13:28:13 <daemon> because all betting sites are monstrocities wired together with javascript and flash
13:28:23 <daemon> www::mech etc do not like such things
13:28:34 <joepie91> then use phantomjs :P
13:28:35 <daemon> whereas by using browser automation I get all the javascript updates to odds when there live etc
13:28:41 <daemon> .lucky phantomjs
13:28:42 <joepie91> or whattever Perl equiv there is
13:28:45 <joepie91> whatever*
13:28:49 <joepie91> .g phantomjs
13:28:49 <botpie91> joepie91:
13:28:57 <daemon> joepie91, and when it has to interact with flash?
13:28:58 <joepie91> .google phantomjs
13:29:02 <joepie91> hm.
13:29:06 <joepie91> daemon: wat
13:29:18 <daemon> joepie91, as I said some of the gambling sites are flash based or at least partially
13:29:25 <daemon> automating the entire browser was realyl alot easier
13:29:27 <joepie91> honestly, it would probably be much easier to just capture the traffic that the Flash applet sends over
13:29:34 <joepie91> and connect and read out directly
13:29:39 <joepie91> (Chrome dev tools lets you do this)
13:29:50 <daemon> dood its 20 lines of code to just automate the browser :P
13:30:05 <joepie91> but performance!
13:30:05 <joepie91> :P
13:30:12 <daemon> but anyhow method is a little bit of a moot point
13:30:14 <daemon> 800 matches
13:30:17 <daemon> 1620 % ROI
13:30:23 <daemon> and its growing steadily as well
13:30:26 <joepie91> mm
13:30:27 <daemon> thats a pretty impressive number
13:30:32 <joepie91> where's the catch?
13:30:38 <daemon> just gone up again infact
13:30:39 <daemon> 0.884: 1.70 GBP [right: 283][wrong: 39][total: 322][rate: 87.89%]
13:30:45 <daemon> 1700 % ROI
13:31:15 <daemon> out of 800 mnatches only 322 where suitable for this test
13:31:41 <daemon> there is no catch really
13:31:45 <daemon> its just plain old statistical analysis
13:31:50 <joepie91> see, daemon, my first thought on things like this is always
13:31:54 <joepie91> "why isn't everyone doing it?"
13:32:11 <daemon> my generic answer is
13:32:18 <daemon> "Because its to simple to work"
13:33:21 <Patchwork> I'm actually interested in trying to replicate this, but I have no idea where I'd start.
13:33:43 <daemon> Patchwork, to use what I used you just need
13:33:52 <daemon> .google seleneium automation
13:34:02 <joepie91> .g selenium automation
13:34:03 <botpie91> joepie91:
13:34:05 <daemon>
13:34:07 <daemon> yep
13:34:16 <daemon> there is a ruby/python/java/perl driver
13:34:35 <daemon> navigating to a gambling site and start capturing odds and data
13:35:41 <daemon> oh and don't bother with mysql
13:35:43 <daemon> or sqlite
13:35:48 <daemon> you want postgres as youry engine
13:35:53 <daemon> you will soon get ALOT of rows
13:36:13 <daemon> bettracker=> select count(*) from matches; select count(*) from odds;
13:36:13 <daemon> count
13:36:13 <daemon> -------
13:36:13 <daemon>   1639
13:36:13 <daemon> (1 row)
13:36:13 <daemon> count
13:36:13 <daemon> --------
13:36:13 <daemon> 112759
13:36:13 <daemon> (1 row)
13:36:20 <daemon> thats only a week of data
13:37:13 <Patchwork> Wouldn't there be far too many variables to make any kind of accurate guess, though?
13:37:30 <Patchwork> Player changes, injuries, timeframe, weather conditions.
13:37:32 <Patchwork> Etc etc etc.
13:37:57 <daemon> Patchwork, thats why its done over a MASSIVE test set
13:38:10 <daemon> the thought and calcualtions are based oin putting a small bet on every match
13:38:43 <Patchwork> So you win 283 times and lose 39 times.
13:38:43 <daemon> you might find this useful:
13:38:50 <Patchwork> Assuming you bet the same amount on everything, you gain.
13:38:51 <daemon> yep
13:39:01 <daemon> same amount on favourite under those conditions
13:39:01 <daemon> yes
13:40:35 <daemon> the number on the left is the timeinto the game to place the bet
13:40:37 <daemon> > perl test_football_halftime_favourite_with_goal_lead_dynamic
13:40:38 <daemon> Average runtime: 6505 at test_football_halftime_favourite_with_goal_lead_dynamic line 32.
13:40:38 <daemon> 0.88: 1.37 GBP [right: 288][wrong: 44][total: 332][rate: 86.75%]
13:40:38 <daemon> 0.881: 1.47 GBP [right: 287][wrong: 43][total: 330][rate: 86.97%]
13:40:42 <daemon> so 0.881
13:40:47 <daemon> is
13:40:54 <daemon> LENGTH_OF_GAME * 0.881
13:40:59 <daemon> is the time to place all those bets
13:41:00 <daemon> to get that result
13:41:52 <Patchwork> So...if you're getting these results.
13:42:06 <Patchwork> Why aren't you having it automatically place the bets at a dollar each and letting it run?
13:42:17 <joepie91> (who says he isn't? :P)
13:42:21 <daemon> I have roughly 23 weeks of results, but the first week of collecting was broken
13:42:23 <daemon> software bugs etc..
13:42:29 <daemon> moving from sqlite to postgres (to many rows)
13:42:35 <daemon> I want 4 weeks/1 month
13:42:40 <daemon> of a test set
13:43:08 <daemon> in that time I will write the automated betting as well; give me chance to double check my work
13:43:10 <daemon> make sure its bang on perfect
13:43:41 <daemon> I have roughly 2 weeks of results not 23*
13:44:39 <daemon> joepie91, so yeah thats what I have been up to 8)
13:45:36 <joepie91> classy :)
13:45:45 <daemon> the funny thing is I have enver gambled in my life
13:45:48 <daemon> never*
13:45:56 <daemon> I was just watching someone place bets on there tablet
13:46:09 <daemon> and got the idea lol
13:47:42 <daemon> Patchwork, oh one big thing as well, you will have trouble distinguishing what is a unique match and what is not, every bookie I have found so far will use the same link to there games so the 'msuid' key in the table works well as BASE32 of (match link)
13:48:00 <daemon> natural primary key
13:48:24 <daemon> I need more coffee
13:48:31 <daemon> meh can't be bothered to make it
13:48:51 <Patchwork> God, me too.
13:48:54 <Patchwork> It's going to be a long night.
13:48:55 <joepie91> oh, about primary ketys
13:48:56 <joepie91> keys *
13:49:09 <joepie91> daemon: every transport dataset obviously uses their own identifiers
13:49:24 <joepie91> so I'm going to have the fun task of keeping a references table
13:49:35 <daemon> ok
13:49:45 <joepie91> "the database entry with this UUID is the same as the dataset entry with that vendor-specific ID.."
13:49:51 <joepie91> :|
13:50:48 <daemon> Patchwork, my automated collector running: (client)
13:51:09 <daemon> that selenium-server is here:
13:51:24 <daemon> just add it to 'start' or whatever in the windows menu as a shortcut starting minimized
13:51:27 <daemon> and install java ofc
13:51:36 <daemon> and you need to use the last version of firefox
13:51:39 <daemon> if thats what you choose to use
13:51:45 <daemon> not the '22' latest version '21'
13:51:49 <daemon> you can get it in there version archieve
13:52:20 <daemon> joepie91, make your own composite key
13:52:26 <joepie91> ?
13:52:32 <daemon> Agent:UUID
13:52:41 <joepie91> why would I do that?
13:53:04 <daemon> I thought you wanted to create a primary key but the UUID is used in more than one agent
13:53:11 <joepie91> no
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13:53:18 <joepie91> I'm *generating* UUIDs
13:53:20 <daemon> oh
13:53:24 <joepie91> because the dataset IDs are used in different places
13:53:27 <joepie91> from different vendors
13:53:44 <joepie91> and doing something like Vendor:ID would create a mess
13:54:26 <daemon> have you actually rpoached rome2rio and asked if they have ever considered opensourcing there db/api
13:54:39 <daemon> they might do you never know ^ShrugS^
13:55:23 <joepie91> I've sent off an off-hand tweet
13:55:26 <joepie91> but there's a complication with it
13:55:32 <joepie91> they license their airfare data
13:55:38 <joepie91> as in, license it from an external vendor
13:55:42 <daemon> ah
13:55:49 <joepie91> $5 that the terms of said vendor prohibit redistribution
13:55:54 <Smoker> norbert79
13:55:57 <Smoker> o.0
13:56:05 <joepie91> Smoker: mm?
13:56:10 <joepie91> you know him?
13:56:13 <daemon> one sec I actually need coffee more than the laziness factor involved with stopping me making it
13:56:17 <Smoker> yes
13:56:21 <joepie91> daemon: lol
13:56:23 <joepie91> Smoker: ah
13:56:23 <Smoker> hes my friend
13:56:38 <joepie91> I see :P
13:56:57 <Smoker> :)
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13:58:20 <joepie91> time is nearing for me to sleep..
13:58:36 <joepie91> also, daemon, they *do* actually offer API access
13:58:38 <Smoker> sweet dreams
13:58:42 <joepie91> up to 100k queries free per month
14:00:31 <daemon> ah thats where they must make there money
14:00:34 <Smoker> ,
14:00:39 <joepie91> what.avi
14:00:40 <joepie91>
14:00:45 <joepie91> daemon: probably, yes
14:00:50 <joepie91> Popular download management program has hidden DDoS component, researchers say
14:00:50 <joepie91> Orbit Downloader's DDoS component is used to attack websites and can cause Internet connection problems for users
14:00:53 <Smoker> norbert79
14:00:56 <Smoker> are you here?
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23:02:52 <skill3r> ohai
23:13:16 <Ari> hello friend
23:36:38 <iceTwy> hello comrade