Cryto! 6 August 2013

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00:16:01 <why_slap_option> hi
00:38:24 * why_slap_option pokes joepie91
01:03:20 <why_slap_option> brb food
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01:15:18 <why_slap_option> back
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03:00:07 <why_slap_option> gppdnight
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06:19:48 <AnonO_o> aww I missed mama
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06:54:09 <CodeNameGhost> sup
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09:35:26 <Art> Is joepie dead?
09:35:44 <norbert79> ?
09:35:53 <norbert79> why would he be?
09:35:58 <Art> I haven't seen him for ages ;___;
09:36:04 <norbert79> he is around
09:36:07 <norbert79> define "ages"?
09:36:29 <Art> #define ages ;____;
09:36:32 <MK_FG> 1/10th of milleniaz
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09:36:57 <norbert79> well, I talked to him last week, for example
09:37:06 <norbert79> he is quiet as we all are
09:37:26 <Art> What if joepie was actually just the next version of clever bot?
09:37:47 <Art> :O
09:38:04 <norbert79> Hardly
09:38:14 <Art> I am scared now
09:38:18 <norbert79> But I would like the idea
09:38:19 <Art> I am actually scared
09:38:27 <norbert79> He would be the most advance bot then so far
09:38:37 <Art> Clever bot is close to passing the turing test now
09:38:56 <norbert79> I think it's still far off from it :)
09:38:58 <MK_FG> Phht, bots, purely superstitions
09:39:27 <MK_FG> Scary thing I heard is that when fe-d bites you, you get infected and turn into fe-d
09:39:35 <Art> ^ Is exactly something clever bot would say before calling you the bot :O
09:39:49 <Art> Oh god, it's happened
09:42:04 <Art> Hey, unrelated
09:42:13 <Art> What Linux distro should I use for development?
09:42:27 <norbert79> Celeverbot: Do you like the movie named Twilight.
09:42:28 <norbert79> Me: Kidding? Not at all!
09:42:28 <norbert79> Cleverbot: Why don't you like it?
09:42:30 <norbert79> You have to be kidding me...
09:42:38 <Art> hahaha
09:42:50 <Art> Cleverbot likes Twilight, <3
09:42:50 <MK_FG> Not so clever after all!
09:42:58 <Art> ka-why-ee
09:43:01 <norbert79> MK_FG: Aye, my point too
09:44:05 <norbert79> Cleverbot: Why don't you like it?
09:44:06 <norbert79> User: Bad acting, boring storyline, annoying characters.
09:44:06 <norbert79> Cleverbot: Can I ask you a question?
09:44:06 <norbert79> User: Yes.
09:44:06 <norbert79> Cleverbot: How long has Cat been jealous of me?
09:44:07 <norbert79> User: Who is Cat?
09:44:09 <norbert79> Cleverbot: I Don't Know.
09:44:17 <norbert79> Well, if this passes the Turing test...
09:44:41 <Art> We're in trouble?
09:44:58 <norbert79> No, this only hits the intelligence of some 12 year old dumb blonde kid
09:45:00 <MK_FG> Then we'll be finally able to separate it from human!
09:45:23 <MK_FG> (because almost all humans won't pass)
09:45:43 <Art> >tfw clever bot calls you a bot and then follows up with a cryptic question about the nature of knowledge -__-'
09:46:08 <norbert79> AHAHAAHAH
09:46:09 <norbert79> User: Do you know how to have the best sex?
09:46:09 <norbert79> Cleverbot: Have no regrets.
09:46:29 <Art> xD
09:46:41 <Art> It even has better sex than us
09:46:49 <norbert79> Sometimes truth can come out of someone's mouth, who is generically an idiot...
09:46:52 <MK_FG> Art, What difference between linux distros from development perspective bothers you?
09:47:46 <Art> I don't like it when my whole distro is no longer supported 5 mins after using it, and the updates which break every part of the system. E.g. Ubuntu sucks.
09:48:32 <MK_FG> Try any one with rolling updates
09:48:52 <MK_FG> Doesn't ubuntu has such option these days?
09:49:05 <norbert79> well, I have to disagree a bit here... Ubuntu has LTS systems, the in-between are different. Debian is following a similar method; also Ubuntu Servr seems a pretty stable choice
09:49:08 <Art> I have no idea
09:49:08 <MK_FG> Iirc they were talking about making it into a rolling-updates distro, too...
09:50:33 <norbert79> ROlling updates are a nightmare
09:50:41 <norbert79> I run a sid based Debian, and it bites
09:51:11 <Art> see, that's what I should do
09:51:39 <norbert79> well, depends on what you need... For hosting a stable distro is the perfect choice
09:51:41 <MK_FG> Fairly static releases can obviously be considered a bad thing too ;)
09:51:52 <norbert79> why?
09:52:08 <MK_FG> Because you want e.g. gcc-4.7 and your release will never have it
09:52:24 <MK_FG> Or python-2.7
09:52:31 <MK_FG> Or whatever, system-wide
09:52:40 <MK_FG> So you go and hack around it endlessly
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09:52:53 <MK_FG> Basically building slackware islands inside stale distro
09:53:27 <norbert79> MK_FG: Not at all, sometimes such extensions are released, also, this again depends on what you wish to do
09:53:42 <norbert79> I also have seen projects like "ActivePerl"
09:53:46 <norbert79> and similar
09:53:59 <MK_FG> For ubuntu and debian, releases mandate same .so versions
09:54:07 <MK_FG> So you don't get and update for these, period
09:54:16 <MK_FG> (until next release)
09:54:23 <norbert79> PPA's are also available :)
09:54:51 <norbert79> of course you need to progress with those with caution
09:55:14 <MK_FG> Yah yah, that's the point
09:55:31 <MK_FG> So you can see how it's not universally a good thing ;)
09:56:48 <norbert79> Depends
09:56:55 <norbert79> I had in general good experiences with PPA's
09:59:01 <Art> I liek cats.
09:59:22 <norbert79> I like pie
09:59:31 <Art> joepai?
09:59:37 <norbert79> DON'T SAY NOW, THAT YOU LIKE TRAINS
09:59:48 <MK_FG> I like tea
10:00:04 <MK_FG> ...right now
10:00:23 <MK_FG> Art, Use some source-based distro \o/
10:00:31 <norbert79> haha
10:00:41 <norbert79> That sure will hit your productivity bad
10:00:47 <Art> lold
10:01:02 <norbert79> it's fun for embedded
10:01:09 <norbert79> or specific hardware
10:01:19 <norbert79> but a waste of time, imho, for regular use
10:01:19 <MK_FG> or some people
10:01:43 <Art> I feel sick. I ate too much cake.
10:03:39 <norbert79> MK_FG: No offense really, I just gave it a try, and if you are tied to time, it's hardly the choice. I used to work for a company, where I could use Linux too and my boss didn't appreciate, when i told him, that the install time of my lappy will take a few days
10:04:08 <norbert79> So I went with Xubuntu
10:04:16 <norbert79> (as I dislike Unity too)
10:04:34 <MK_FG> Heheh, nah, I accept that there are people for whom they don't work
10:05:00 <norbert79> If Linux desktop, then it's Mate or XFCE for me
10:06:20 <MK_FG> Good thing that there are many linuxes that you can pick one that works best for you ;)
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10:07:16 <norbert79> One of the reasons why I prefer it :)
10:07:28 <Art> holy SHIT. If you type l it also does ls
10:07:51 <norbert79> ever heard of 'alias'? :)
10:08:06 <Art> y-yeh >>
10:08:14 <norbert79> I think it's pre-defined
10:08:22 <MK_FG> Or zsh might auto-correct that
10:08:28 <norbert79> hardly, bash does the same
10:09:37 <MK_FG> I mean that it has that feature (though rarely enabled for commands, usually for paths), maybe ubuntu indeed has an alias
10:11:16 <norbert79> weird, it works in regular Debian sid too with bash
10:11:33 <norbert79> aaaah, there we go
10:11:34 <norbert79> alias l='ls -CF'
10:11:34 <norbert79> alias la='ls -A'
10:11:34 <norbert79> alias ll='ls -l'
10:11:34 <norbert79> alias ls='ls --color=auto'
10:13:01 <Art> I hope there isn't any for rm ;____; that could be bad
10:13:49 <norbert79> I see something alias start='rm -rf /'
10:13:56 <norbert79> :)
10:14:01 <Art> hahahaha
10:14:35 <MK_FG> I hate redhat's alias rm='rm -i'
10:16:10 <MK_FG> Also, there was one interesting lighting talk at ccc (iirc) about a simple wrapper for rm to not run the command w/o special key if there's path from a list of e.g. /usr /var /lib /etc ...
10:16:20 <MK_FG> (to avoid that bumblebee bug)
10:18:07 <norbert79> I doubt that would solve anything, although I support a generic alias for "rm -rf /" to be disabled in default
10:19:13 <MK_FG> Well, fail model in question is space in path, e.g. "/usr /local/mything" or "/usr${component}/mything"
10:19:25 <MK_FG> Should certainly help in these cases
10:19:49 <MK_FG> Don't think I've stumbed into one myself though
10:20:53 <norbert79> a regexp based alias entry is still an easier and less painful solution
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10:28:19 <MK_FG> Won't save you from :P
10:29:19 <MK_FG> (though to be fair, probably even slackware uses some sandbox these days)
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10:40:42 <Art> bumbledore
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10:59:22 <norbert79> holy shit, indeed
10:59:23 <norbert79> rm -rf /usr /lib/nvidia-current/xorg/xorg
10:59:46 <norbert79> although I think such could be somehow regexp-ed
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