Cryto! 29 July 2013
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04:08:40 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) I'm pretty sure it isn't meant for open internet stuff.
04:09:11 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) plus, private networking is supposed to be at a different networking level
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07:09:02 <monod> LOL, worst fail ever: chatterbox decided to close the conversation by itself!!!!! I was shocked when I realized what it had just done!!
07:09:22 <monod> And now I'm also reconsidering it as a win, maybe.
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08:13:10 <norbert79> Morning
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09:30:58 <monod> ping
09:31:08 <monod> uh oh
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10:40:59 <joepie91> <lady-3jane>joepie91:) I'm pretty sure it isn't meant for open internet stuff.
10:41:01 <joepie91> yes, it is
10:41:45 <joepie91> the zguide even explicitly gives an example of a script that has both internal and external communication
11:03:37 <norbert79> Zpanel stories again?? :)
11:03:41 * norbert79 takes some popcorn
11:03:51 <norbert79> Please, tell me more!
11:06:16 <norbert79> I think the latest GIF animation on devopsreaction demonstrates perfectly how ZPanel security works: http://i.imgur.com/7NglGJX.gif
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11:09:40 <norbert79> wb monod
11:09:46 <norbert79> yes, I saw you used the BBS :)
11:09:47 <monod> hey there
11:09:51 <monod> hehe
11:09:53 <monod> nice
11:10:14 <joepie91> norbert79: nah, the zguide is a zeromq guide
11:12:43 <norbert79> So not related to Zpanel then?
11:14:24 <joepie91> nope
11:14:59 <norbert79> Awww
11:15:21 <norbert79> Now I ate popcorn for nothing
11:16:37 <joepie91> lol
11:20:15 <monod> eliza is built-in with emacs *_*
11:20:58 <norbert79> hahaha
11:21:15 <norbert79> See, that's why I prefer the few MiB big vi/vim compared to the operating system of EMACS :)
11:21:55 <norbert79> Emacs is no text editor, it's an operating system without a kernel
11:22:22 <norbert79> of course this was a bit sarcastic, but seriously, EMACS is an overkill :)
11:22:42 <monod> hehe, I agree
11:23:10 <monod> but I liked Emacs tutorial very much and if the whole program is just like that tutorial, I think Emacs would really be fantastic
11:23:27 <monod> also, I'd like to know about Lisp to get an idea of how these things are invented/thought of
11:23:35 * monod back in the cave.
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11:32:07 <MK_FG> joepie91, Apparently "isn't meant for open internet stuff" only was the case in the past - http://zeromq.org/area:faq#toc8
11:34:07 <MK_FG> I also wonder, why can't you have authenticated sockets if they can do request/response thing?
11:45:03 <monod> how can sex affect people so much??
11:45:53 <norbert79> because it's part of human nature?
11:48:21 <MK_FG> Affect how?
11:48:42 <MK_FG> Also, emacs rocks ;)
11:48:54 <monod> affect like:
11:49:00 <MK_FG> (haeters gonna haet)
11:49:04 <norbert79> haters
11:49:16 <MK_FG> Dats wat I sad
11:49:24 <norbert79> Oh, slang, sorry
11:49:37 <monod> interest, worry, move, anything else
11:49:47 <monod> (I tried and found synonims)
11:50:11 <norbert79> monod: We all wish to reproduce; our actions are being affected by human nature and affections coming from the outside
11:50:23 <MK_FG> Food also interests worries, moves people ;)
11:50:37 <norbert79> monod: Like if you see a very attractive women it's all in your genes to feel like reproduce with her to keep up the good gene level
11:50:46 <norbert79> MK_FG: Yeah, but you die without food :)
11:50:50 <MK_FG> So are some weird virtual concepts like justice and law, apparently
11:51:14 <MK_FG> Some people even care about things like WoW
11:51:15 <monod> I don't know if I can hang a sex conversation in a publicly logged channel, but I also cannot hang it in an empty channel
11:51:32 <MK_FG> (and care about thngs like WoW more than sex, too;)
11:51:34 <norbert79> monod: I approach the probpem from a phylosphical asepct
11:51:40 <norbert79> problem
11:51:50 <monod> interested in hearnig
11:51:54 <monod> hearing*
11:51:59 <norbert79> I did, review my comments
11:52:07 <norbert79> it's all human nature, that's my point
11:52:24 <monod> so
11:52:31 <monod> this is what I've being doing all this time
11:52:52 <monod> :
11:53:02 <norbert79> considering your young age it's normal you feel more influenced by emotions and physical interest towards reporduction
11:53:19 <norbert79> god I speak like a vulcan
11:53:22 <norbert79> lol
11:53:29 <monod> "Like if you see a very attractive women it's all in your genes to feel like reproduce with her to keep up the good gene level" I hadn't done anything to attract women
11:53:42 <monod> I decided to stop working out
11:53:44 <monod> .
11:53:53 <monod> What this bring me to is:
11:54:00 <norbert79> Yes, you did... ferromones (if I wrote the name right) is produced by your body
11:54:04 <monod> women will not see a good gene level
11:54:15 <norbert79> it takes more, than the look
11:54:33 <norbert79> look is just catching an eye, it takes more to make create a sparkle
11:54:42 <norbert79> and fuel up the fire
11:55:16 <monod> ("pheromone" though)
11:55:59 <monod> I think I understand what you just said, but..
11:56:09 <monod> like there's another thing..
11:56:55 <monod> or, it's just the feeling that someone may type another message and I will not have the time to think and answer to both
11:57:26 <monod> to which I'm trying to become acquaintanced since I'm not terrificly fluent in English...
11:57:37 <norbert79> Just carry on, don't be bothered
11:57:44 <norbert79> if you feel adding more to the topic
11:58:27 <monod> something put me closer to be crying
11:59:53 <monod> also, there are people that told me that I am emotional, but I don't feel much so. I rather feel that I sometime try to listen to my emotions and let them governe my thoughts. But, _sometimes_.
12:00:21 <monod> Also, I use the "feel" verb instead of "think" sometimes, because I recognize it's more a feel than a thought
12:00:32 <norbert79> well, again, I have been going through a similar phase of my life, it takes time to handle these emotions and this time of your life... You will be fine
12:00:33 <monod> (sometimes)
12:01:17 <norbert79> You might find some partner in your life, maybe also being disappointed also a few times, but never give up
12:01:22 <norbert79> Look at this as a challenge
12:01:31 <monod> I have challenges
12:01:47 <monod> I am currently in the biggest challenge ever since
12:01:55 <monod> but I feel like I'm already losing
12:02:16 <norbert79> Like anyone else did in some moment of their life
12:02:33 <joepie91> <MK_FG>I also wonder, why can't you have authenticated sockets if they can do request/response thing?
12:02:38 <joepie91> the problem is one-way socket types
12:02:44 <joepie91> since you can't communicate back and forth
12:02:45 <MK_FG> push/pull?
12:02:49 <joepie91> but I discussed it in the IRC channel yesterday
12:03:00 <joepie91> and it turns out that that is a solved problem
12:03:18 <monod> norbert79: I'm not worried about losing, I have already lose in other challenges, as my final high-school result
12:03:21 <MK_FG> joepie91, Hm, in which way?
12:03:42 <joepie91> MK_FG: an auth layer :)
12:04:01 <joepie91> <pieterh>the security is technically documented but not ready for end users
12:04:01 <joepie91> <pieterh>rfc 23, 25, 26, 28, and the zmq_curve man page
12:04:01 <joepie91> <pieterh>there are also example/test programs in tests/
12:04:45 <MK_FG> Oh, yeah, they wanted to add encryption there
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16:07:19 <joepie91> http://softwareandsilicon.com/
16:07:23 <joepie91> everyone should read this
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16:19:07 <lady-3jane> on ALL THE THINGS
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16:19:24 <lady-3jane> Don't make it weird
16:19:28 <DaSpirit> wut
16:19:33 <lady-3jane> :3
16:20:11 <lady-3jane> NP: [Gorillaz - Left Hand (Suzuki Method)] [G Sides] [832kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
16:23:42 <joepie91> lady-3jane: you read that article yet?
16:24:18 <lady-3jane> some of it, trying to explain why https://twitter.com/Bandar_M_KSA/status/361195450805673984/photo/1 is awesome to my mother
16:25:48 <DaSpirit> joepie91, why doesn't Linux "work fine for me"?
16:26:03 <DaSpirit> Linux is such a fail in my opinion.
16:26:10 <DaSpirit> I can't even get a good graphics driver working
16:26:38 <joepie91> lady-3jane: lol
16:26:55 <joepie91> DaSpirit: I can't tell you why Linux doesn't "work fine for you" if I don't know what your issues are or what you have tried
16:27:16 <joepie91> what people generally call "Linux" encompasses several tens if not hundreds of different distributions that happen to share the same kernel
16:27:19 <joepie91> or a similar kernel
16:27:27 <DaSpirit> Ubuntu is the most problematic for me.
16:27:31 <joepie91> so just saying "doesn't work" tells me pretty much nothing :P
16:27:33 <joepie91> well yes, that's not surprising
16:28:12 <DaSpirit> I have Fedora on another laptop with XFCE and it boots slower than Windows.
16:28:17 <lady-3jane> also something I learned recently: to call something GNU/Linux as is the probably proper name, is actually a licensing conflict. GNU is all gplv3 and the kernel is gplv2 only due to licensing issues with gplv3
16:29:03 <DaSpirit> joepie91, what if I never got frustrated by Windoze?
16:29:21 <lady-3jane> I was never bothered by windows
16:29:27 <DaSpirit> Me neither.
16:29:31 <joepie91> fedora is a disaster
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16:29:34 <lady-3jane> but linux works much better for the things I do than windows does
16:29:40 <joepie91> (yes, that's the 'fed' wordfilter)
16:29:42 <DaSpirit> joepie91, your article makes it seem like Windows glitches often.
16:29:48 <DaSpirit> lady-3jane, what do you do?
16:30:04 <joepie91> okay, so
16:30:05 <joepie91> DaSpirit
16:30:07 <lady-3jane> I browse the web, mostly. Compile a bit of my own software. Check my mail in thunderbird.
16:30:10 <joepie91> have you tried installing openSUSE?
16:30:16 <joepie91> and what kind of graphics card do you have?
16:30:19 <lady-3jane> play some world of warcraft and skyrim
16:30:26 <lady-3jane> linux does all of those things pretty fucking well
16:30:39 <DaSpirit> joepie91, well, my old PC has an old Nvidia which barely has OGL 2.1.
16:30:52 <DaSpirit> I've never tried OpenSUSE.
16:30:58 <why_slap_option> now time to go at the gym
16:31:14 <lady-3jane> and never ever crashes. It's... it's a difference between never crashing and actually being smooth. Linux feels nice to use. It's not janky. Windows doesn't crash on me, sure, but it isn't smooth. Linux is like computing with butter.
16:31:57 <joepie91> DaSpirit: right... do you know your card model?
16:32:12 <lady-3jane> I don't know how to accurately define the difference between works well and works pretty near perfectly
16:32:15 <DaSpirit> Not currently. I ripped off all of the stickers.
16:32:17 <lady-3jane> so sorry if english is failing me
16:32:25 <DaSpirit> I plan to get a tablet soon, to replace that old computer though.
16:32:44 <lady-3jane> I use a heavily modified ubuntu
16:33:00 <lady-3jane> somewhere around 50% of my OS comes out of PPA's instead of normal repos
16:33:18 <joepie91> DaSpirit: right, I'd say "install opensuse in a VM" but that kind of defeats the graphics drivers point
16:33:41 <joepie91> either way, if you install opensuse, there's a pretty big chance that the included open-source drivers support your card
16:33:43 <joepie91> if not...
16:33:59 <joepie91> https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:NVIDIA_drivers
16:34:07 <joepie91> click the button, enter your root password, reboot
16:34:08 <joepie91> done
16:34:09 <DaSpirit> I tried all options when I had Ubuntu.
16:34:15 <joepie91> and you have proprietary drivers installed and working.
16:34:19 <DaSpirit> joepie91, do you know if openSUSE works in tablets? I know that Ubuntu has its own version for them.
16:34:27 <joepie91> DaSpirit: Ubuntu is an unreliable piece of shit that is mistakenly marketed as being "user-friendly"
16:34:32 <joepie91> to be perfectly honest
16:34:37 <DaSpirit> I've learned that...
16:34:45 <joepie91> I don't consider something user-friendly if it arbitrarily breaks when you update shit...
16:34:55 <joepie91> (and that's just one issue)
16:35:02 <joepie91> DaSpirit: you can probably get it to work
16:35:06 <DaSpirit> Haha, that's what happened to one person in #enigma yesterday.
16:35:12 <joepie91> but I doubt there's a specific version for tablets
16:35:17 <joepie91> though, perhaps in suse studio
16:35:22 <joepie91> and yeah, it happens to ubuntu users all the time
16:35:29 <joepie91> had so many people claim to me "that never happens to me!"
16:35:33 <joepie91> and then complain about it a few months later
16:35:35 <joepie91> when it did happen
16:35:46 <joepie91> it seems a given that at _some_ point, your ubuntu will break while updating
16:37:17 <lady-3jane> It's been almost a year now and I haven't had issues that weren't my own fault >_>
16:37:32 <lady-3jane> so maybe 13.10 is my death knell?
16:37:39 * lady-3jane laughs
16:38:13 <joepie91> lady-3jane: no idea
16:38:14 <joepie91> maybe, maybe not
16:38:27 * lady-3jane giggles
16:38:42 <lady-3jane> I'm barely using anything canonical touches directly
16:39:03 <lady-3jane> that was the stuff that tended to break
16:43:10 <lady-3jane> mmmm
16:43:11 <lady-3jane> NP: [Gorillaz - 12D3] [G Sides] [732kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
16:43:28 <lady-3jane> except canonical's graphics drivers
16:43:44 <lady-3jane> but those work perfectly because I'm using the ppa ones from their x-swat team
16:44:11 <lady-3jane> so not only do they work, I'm on nvidia 320
16:44:24 <lady-3jane> same as windows
16:44:24 <lady-3jane> :>
16:47:39 <lady-3jane> hmm, that's somewhat infuriating
16:47:59 <lady-3jane> in transmission 2.80 repeated connection timeout of all trackers doesn't mark the torrent as having an error
16:48:33 <lady-3jane> I have zero "error" torrents, but two of the private trackers I'm on went down
16:48:47 <lady-3jane> and the torrents reflect it when you look at the tracker info tab
16:48:48 <lady-3jane> :|
16:49:10 <lady-3jane> OH OH OH
16:50:43 <lady-3jane> oh shit :D
16:50:56 <lady-3jane> I submitted my tracker to a public list and now people are using it >_> :D
16:51:27 <joepie91> anyway, DaSpirit
16:51:39 <joepie91> if you can afford to mess around with your PC, try installing opensuse, and seeing if it works
16:54:03 <zxcvbnm> I am a PC
17:01:57 <DaSpirit> If I don't throw it away.
17:02:13 <DaSpirit> I'd try it on my current PC, but I'm too lazy to back everything up.
17:06:01 <joepie91> hence the "if you can afford" :)
17:17:46 <lady-3jane> mmm
17:17:50 <lady-3jane> that was a good writeup joepie91
17:23:30 <joepie91> lady-3jane: the software and silicon thing?
17:23:31 <joepie91> very much so
17:23:45 <lady-3jane> yeah, that
17:24:08 <lady-3jane> It's a more well said statement of what I thought when I first saw liquid democracy
17:25:36 <lady-3jane> what's a good word
17:25:49 <lady-3jane> english or french, so I can spell it
17:26:09 <lady-3jane> broulliard? I like that one. or cistern.
17:27:21 <lady-3jane> huh, brouillard apparently :>
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18:21:14 <zxcvbnm> this was how i decided to track the passwords being used from all the brute-force attempts against my cloud server
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18:21:39 <zxcvbnm> strace -f -etrace=write -s 64 -p sshd_pid -o ssh_logs.txt 2>&1 &
18:21:55 <lady-3jane> zxcvbnm:) you have a cloud server? what is its volume?
18:22:21 <zxcvbnm> Pretty sure its elastic
18:22:25 <zxcvbnm> but I don't know off the top of my head
18:23:48 * lady-3jane giggles
18:24:00 <lady-3jane> quick! calculate the volume of your compute cloud!
18:24:14 <zxcvbnm> hehe
18:24:16 <lady-3jane> and how many gallons of water
18:25:00 <lady-3jane> man, github search is useful when I want to inspect someone's code without reading the whole thing
18:25:00 <zxcvbnm> /dev/xvda1 9804120 3026864 6279236 33% /
18:25:00 <zxcvbnm> tmpfs 121832 0 121832 0% /dev/shm
18:26:23 * lady-3jane tries to figure out what woodpeckers are
18:26:50 <lady-3jane> I... think it's peers that hit the tracker more often than once every 20seconds
18:27:05 <lady-3jane> asking for peers
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18:28:17 <lady-3jane> hmm
18:28:32 <lady-3jane> but it doesn't ignore woodpeckers, just logs
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18:31:17 <zxcvbnmzxcvbnm> w00ps
18:32:30 <lady-3jane> :3
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18:33:50 <lady-3jane> "come on gcc, don't shit the bed don't shit the bed don't shit the bed"
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20:15:31 <monod> (still no audio at startup :( )
20:16:04 <monod> (just for you to know this is a different fix, pie, not to ask you your time and google for me the solution)
20:17:09 <zxcvbnm> yo tengo
20:17:11 <zxcvbnm> linux
20:17:25 <zxcvbnm> i compiled a new sshd
20:17:32 <zxcvbnm> changed the /etc/init.d/ssh config to point to the new path
20:17:37 <zxcvbnm> restarted the service
20:17:46 <zxcvbnm> but am still connecting to the old sshd
20:25:13 <lady-3jane> don't uh restart, stop and start the new one manually >_>
20:25:39 <lady-3jane> the script is probably using the first sshd in your $PATH and that is probably the system one
20:28:52 <monod> "The words "community" and "communication" have the same root. Wherever
20:28:52 <monod> you put a communications network, you put a community as well. And whenever
20:28:53 <monod> you *take away* that network - confiscate it, outlaw it, crash it, raise its
20:28:55 <monod> price beyond affordability - then you hurt that community."
20:28:58 <monod> aaaaaaaaaa
20:29:37 <monod> this is how it was intended to look like:
20:29:38 <monod> "The words "community" and "communication" have the same root. Wherever you put a communications network, you put a community as well. And whenever you *take away* that network - confiscate it, outlaw it, crash it, raise its price beyond affordability - then you hurt that community."
20:37:00 <lady-3jane> hmm, it seems like transmission changed tracker timeouts to not be an error anymore
20:37:22 <lady-3jane> wtb punching bag with transmissionbt on the front
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21:20:26 <ShadowDemon> Giggedy
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