Cryto! 28 July 2013
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04:44:24 <MK_FG> http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/07/27/197823/us-allowed-italian-kidnap-prosecution.html
04:44:47 <MK_FG> @monod (cc loggy) ;)
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08:51:00 <monod> hello guyz
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13:55:21 <lolpwn> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=659242960771991
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15:52:28 <monod> hi guyz
15:52:42 <monod> does anyone know about listening to radio through a guitar amplie?
15:52:52 <monod> ampli*
15:53:31 <zest> hi
15:53:47 <monod> hi zest
15:54:21 <zest> monod: how are you ?
15:54:44 <monod> fine thanks. What about you zest?
15:54:50 <monod> What are up to these days?
15:54:57 <monod> are you* up
15:56:06 <zest> monod: gather some knowledge about tempest tomorrow as you mentioned those two awesome italians researches from DEFCON, this technique gives unbelievable control, like it, even imagine massive attack ^_^
15:56:24 <zest> * imaginedd
15:58:01 <monod> oh, so you didn't know about it before I mentioned?
15:58:21 <zest> no
15:58:29 <monod> There is this strange phenomenon I have to describe to you guys as well then
15:58:35 <monod> :
15:59:45 <monod> when I first discovered tempest, or any other such a thing (not only in the electronics' topic, but in these sort of things), I was like.. "beware from now on that these things do exist" and other blablabla
16:00:22 <monod> then, what comes to one's mind (at least what came to mine) is that you're just paranohic, thinking about those things again in the future
16:00:34 <monod> (don't know if it's clear what I mean)
16:00:44 <monod> "fear of being too concerned" arises.
16:00:55 <monod> Then, come this kind of thought:
16:01:37 <monod> "I have to not worry too much about it, because these are not everyday things, they are not **likely** to happen tomorrow or today.."
16:01:46 <monod> that likely is the key for what follows:
16:02:02 <monod> you start not worrying anymore about these topics and.... Guess what happens? zest
16:02:17 <monod> (I'll give a chance to answer now :P)
16:03:13 <joepie91> "A working copy of the HTTP 2.0 spec has been released. Unlike previous versions of the HTTP protocol, this version will be a binary format, for better or worse. However, this protocol is also completely optional: 'This document is an alternative to, but does not obsolete the HTTP/1.1 message format or protocol. HTTP's existing semantics remain unchanged.'"
16:03:16 <joepie91> brb shoot myself
16:05:14 <monod> Time out zest: what happens is that you forget those things.
16:06:15 <zest> monod: for future its enough to know that they exist already monod
16:06:35 <monod> While, if I had not forgotten tempest and other things of the like, I may just inform others of those such things like I did with tempest, which is an example of a thing that not so many people know about and that is really unexpected too.
16:07:02 <zest> yeah, unexpected
16:07:25 <monod> zest, "for future its __enough__ to know that they exist already monod"
16:07:29 <monod> that enough is the error
16:07:44 <zest> ?
16:07:46 <monod> undervaluing the "issue" (don't know how to call it in English)
16:08:20 <zest> its not an issues yet, that's why its interesting ^_^
16:09:05 <monod> undervaluing anything is the key to get that thing to overcome you, like e.g. alcohol dependency: if you think you can fight and recover from alcohol dependency, you will not succeed at it (if you are true dependent)
16:09:27 <monod> that's what seems to be taught in groups for alcohol dependency recovery
16:09:35 <monod> (horrible English o' mine)
16:12:51 <monod> I'm also wondering why there are no AM devices around - like: things around are more likely of being FM receivers (rather) than AM. And tempest goes along with AM, afaik
16:13:21 <monod> anyway, a more common example of a side channel attack simply is social engineering ;)
16:14:09 <zest> social engineering is hard to reproduce on the bigger scale
16:14:44 <monod> what "scale" is? bigger targets or more numerous targets?
16:14:56 <monod> the latter right?
16:15:15 <zest> k
16:15:21 <zest> *y
16:15:25 <monod> :D
16:15:32 <monod> "okay?! WTF?!"
16:16:01 <zest> .... $Y%^E...!S12
16:17:07 <monod> zest: it depends on the targets maybe. Perhaps, some big group of people may have the same vulnerability regarding same topics.. but, yes.. in general, SE does not offer much scalability
16:17:15 * monod (tries to) shut up.
16:17:23 <zest> ))
16:17:41 <zest> teardrop
16:17:59 <zest> need info about data mining algos ...
16:18:14 <monod> why?
16:18:25 <joepie91> wasn't there this data processing/analysis stuff that Twitter released?
16:19:25 <joepie91> can't find it
16:20:05 <zest> ty joe, this is good for me to start research
16:22:31 <monod> another good resource for anything is, as always, the academic literature.
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16:30:42 <Ari> Damn
16:31:03 <Ari> I've been watching DefCon talks for the past couple hours
16:31:06 <Ari> this is great :D
16:33:41 <joepie91> Ari: you'll also want to watch the Blackhat conference talks
16:33:44 <joepie91> there's a few very interesting ones
16:33:48 <Ari> will do.
16:33:51 <joepie91> and I've found they generally go a bit more in-depth as to methods
16:34:07 <joepie91> a bit more information-focused, rather than entertainment-focused (as defcon talks tend to be)
16:34:40 <Ari> The one i'm watching now is crazy. PHP/cookie vulns, into NAT pinning, into triple XSS, into finding a location based on a router's MAC address that you acquired via your triple XSS
16:35:07 <joepie91> "how I met your girlfriend"?
16:35:10 <Ari> yeah
16:35:13 <Ari> it's amazing :P
16:35:13 <joepie91> :)
16:35:19 <joepie91> it is a very good one indeed
16:35:39 <joepie91> on a similar note, you'll probably enjoy Jason Scott talks
16:35:47 <joepie91> they're not about security etc., but very interesting nevertheless
16:36:04 <Ari> mmkay
16:36:12 <Ari> I've got all of august to watch this, lol
16:36:29 <joepie91> Ari: http://ascii.textfiles.com/speaking
16:36:52 <joepie91> I think this one was one of my favourites: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLe_n4xN9vw
16:38:17 <joepie91> also, some interesting reading material, a beginners guide to reverse engineering data formats for purposes of 'data archeology': http://t-a-w.blogspot.de/2013/07/introduction-to-data-archeology.html
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17:41:17 <monod> hello again
17:48:41 <monod> (it seems that TEMPEST has been developed during the cold war ages...)
17:49:13 <lady-3jane> wasn't that the microwave listening thing
17:49:31 <lady-3jane> the reason why we had all those dishes bigger than city blocks
17:49:34 <monod> of course, but not only
17:49:41 <monod> what??
17:49:49 <lady-3jane> some could be pulled around on boats
17:49:51 <lady-3jane> :>
17:50:02 <lady-3jane> lol MOBILE LISTENING POST
17:50:07 <lady-3jane> aka 100 foot dish on a tugboat
17:50:08 <lady-3jane> lol
17:50:43 <lady-3jane> nah but really, we had some very very incomprehensibly large dishes
17:52:57 <lady-3jane> FUUUUU
17:52:58 <lady-3jane> THIS SONG
17:52:59 <lady-3jane> NP: [Camille Jones - The Creeps [Feat. Fedde Le Grand]] [IndexTrance [Vol 01]] [320kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
17:53:16 <lady-3jane> SUDDENLY: 2007!
17:53:26 <monod> and 320kbps.
17:53:29 <monod> Please.
17:53:30 <lady-3jane> *2008, apparenly
17:53:54 <lady-3jane> yeah, for mp3 it's very good
17:54:19 <lady-3jane> I'm not sure what amazing tonal range you're trying to capture, but I assure you it isn't present in this song
17:54:29 <monod> hahaha
17:56:04 <joepie91> asdf
17:56:08 <joepie91> this pizza smells heavenly
17:56:15 <lady-3jane> EAT THE BITCH
17:56:28 <lady-3jane> here we go
17:56:35 <lady-3jane> pinnacle of musical quality right here
17:56:36 <lady-3jane> NP: [Carly Rae Jepsen - Call Me Maybe] [Curiosity EP] [261kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
17:56:57 <joepie91> lady-3jane: it's not done yet
17:57:01 <joepie91> I literally just took it out of the freezer
17:57:03 <joepie91> and unpacked it
17:57:09 <joepie91> and it already smells heavenly
17:57:09 <joepie91> lol
17:57:21 <lady-3jane> rage at it, maybe the heat will slightly accelerate the cooking
17:57:39 <lady-3jane> THROWBACK
17:57:39 <lady-3jane> NP: [Cascada - Everytime We Touch] [Everytime We Touch] [241kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
17:57:40 <monod> joepie91, once in your lifetime you HAVE to come and try........ ;)
17:57:49 <monod> you know what I'm talking about...
17:57:51 <monod> do you?
17:57:52 <lady-3jane> haha real pizza
17:57:56 <joepie91> monod: not quite
17:57:56 <joepie91> :p
17:57:59 <monod> The Home of Pizza.
17:58:03 <joepie91> oh, in that sense
17:58:05 <joepie91> heh
17:58:06 <monod> It is here. In Italy.
17:58:10 <joepie91> yes, I know :)
17:58:10 <lady-3jane> aye
17:58:17 <lady-3jane> not like the home of chinese food
17:58:23 <joepie91> bit expensive pizza though
17:58:23 <lady-3jane> which is actually san francisco
17:58:23 <lady-3jane> lol
17:58:25 <joepie91> going there just for pizza
17:58:26 <joepie91> :p
17:58:32 <monod> of course
17:58:43 <lady-3jane> NP: [Cee Lo Green - Fuck You] [The Lady Killer] [269kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
17:58:43 <monod> hehe
17:59:03 <lady-3jane> oh fuck, I need to find the video of the girl signing this song
17:59:06 <lady-3jane> it was SO GOOD
17:59:52 <lady-3jane> found it
17:59:53 <lady-3jane> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv3tadz5Q3o
18:01:09 <lady-3jane> ahhh I loved asl
18:01:49 <lady-3jane> makes me sad though since it's been years
18:02:08 <lady-3jane> and I can't look at people signing in public because I know what they're saying
18:02:09 <lady-3jane> :/
18:02:21 <lady-3jane> I try not to look, to protect privacy :P
18:06:10 <lady-3jane> oh yeah, that's right
18:06:25 <lady-3jane> christina aguilera tried to copy lady gaga
18:06:29 <lady-3jane> forgot about that
18:06:31 <lady-3jane> NP: [Christina Aguilera - Not Myself Tonight] [Bionic] [277kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
18:07:16 <lady-3jane> I really wish she'd do more stuff like this cd which actually showcase her amazing voice
18:07:17 <lady-3jane> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv3tadz5Q3o
18:07:18 <lady-3jane> er
18:07:19 <lady-3jane> NP: [Christina Aguilera - Back In The Day] [Back To Basics [Disc 1]] [915kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
18:08:58 <monod> lady-3jane, /join #monod
18:09:04 <monod> for a sec
18:10:35 <monod> everyone: I just wanted to paste a multiline paste
18:10:47 <monod> so I opted for another channel ;)
18:10:50 <lady-3jane> Hi NSA!
18:10:53 * lady-3jane waves
18:11:32 <DaSpirit> They're here?
18:11:49 <lady-3jane> yes
18:11:50 <monod> why not
18:11:59 <joepie91> oh man, this pizza smells awesome :D
18:12:04 <monod> hahaha
18:12:08 <lady-3jane> There are people in this channel which are not in the USA, of course they're here
18:12:09 <lady-3jane> :P
18:12:15 <monod> you're going to bed with that pizza attached to your coffin
18:12:17 <monod> oops
18:12:21 <monod> wrong word I guess
18:12:25 * lady-3jane laughs
18:12:31 <monod> coffin ~= tombstone?
18:12:36 <monod> PILLOW
18:12:42 <monod> I wanted to say pillow xDD
18:12:44 <lady-3jane> coffin is the box for the body, tombstone goes on top
18:12:45 <lady-3jane> :P
18:12:51 <monod> yeah
18:13:03 <joepie91> monod: maaaaaybe :3
18:13:05 <monod> oh well, I sleep with a pillow AND a tombstone, what's the prob?
18:14:57 <lady-3jane> awh :3
18:15:00 <lady-3jane> NP: [Coeur De Pirate - Comme Des Enfants] [Coeur De Pirate] [830kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
18:15:45 <Ari> joepie91 give me your pizza ;_;
18:16:12 <monod> hehe
18:16:20 <Ari> oh
18:17:11 <lady-3jane> YAY
18:17:14 <lady-3jane> OH MAN
18:17:21 <lady-3jane> there's a movie coming out called "2 guns"
18:17:27 <lady-3jane> looks like a modern bad boys
18:17:43 <lady-3jane> or any of the movies about miami pd
18:17:46 <joepie91> I'm now officially sad.
18:17:47 <joepie91> :(
18:17:58 <joepie91> this was probably one of the best pizzas I've ever had, but it's only sold temporarily :/
18:18:28 <monod> why sad?
18:18:47 <monod> you had one of the best pizza out there in a moment in which it is still possible
18:19:04 <monod> this enriches its (pizza's) value
18:19:11 <joepie91> monod: because I won't be able to have it again in the future :P
18:20:15 <monod> 1) better pizza are probably sold elsewhere 2) the afore thing, yet.. it is just a point of view and I also know that this is not a vital topic xD
18:22:54 <lady-3jane> go buy a couple more of em and shove em in a freezer? :>
18:23:07 <lady-3jane> cherish what you have while you have it? :>
18:23:51 <joepie91> lady-3jane: no monies
18:23:51 <joepie91> :P
18:24:19 <lady-3jane> quick, kickstarter for joepie pizza
18:24:24 <monod> HHAHAHA
18:24:30 <monod> goal: 20€
18:24:38 <lady-3jane> nah 50, he needs to get enough
18:24:43 <monod> oh right
18:24:49 <lady-3jane> and we get paid in pictures of him eating the pizza
18:24:49 <monod> better 50 ok
18:24:56 <monod> ohh.....
18:25:00 <monod> ":Q_____"
18:25:02 <monod> XD
18:25:03 <lady-3jane> yes
18:25:05 <lady-3jane> :3
18:25:09 <lady-3jane> DROOLY
18:25:11 <lady-3jane> :3
18:25:22 <monod> also, poster-sized, to attach them on the frickin walls
18:25:24 <lady-3jane> NP: [Coeur De Pirate - Printemps] [Coeur De Pirate] [931kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
18:25:48 <lady-3jane> so cute
18:25:50 <lady-3jane> :>
18:26:10 <lady-3jane> YES
18:26:11 <monod> can zomeone help me please? I'm looking for the "original" Eliza program
18:26:12 <lady-3jane> NP: [Counting Crows - Mr. Jones] [August And Everything After] [1001kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
18:26:26 <monod> and can't find it..
18:26:28 <lady-3jane> Never! I'm listening to a song about the singer's dick
18:32:47 <monod> Does anyone know why sound in linux is being played out of tune??? Pitch is slightly shifted up
18:34:09 <joepie91> monod: is it in Chrome by any chance?
18:34:12 <joepie91> or in everything?
18:34:35 <monod> system-wide I think
18:34:40 <monod> VLC, Movie Player
18:34:45 <lady-3jane> I've had some temporary funnybusiness with wine
18:34:53 <lady-3jane> but never systemwide
18:35:16 <monod> well, I can't verify if it's really system-wide
18:35:26 <monod> yet, for sure when playing audio
18:35:33 <monod> do MP3 decay over time? :( :D
18:36:10 <MK_FG> It's teh bits rotting
18:36:58 <MK_FG> You can do simple test for whether it's linux/alsa or stuff on top probably by ffmpeg | aplay
18:38:16 <lady-3jane> "This should be played at high volume, preferably in a residential area."
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18:39:19 <MK_FG> OCRemix' 31 Second track from Doom 2 tribute?
18:39:41 <MK_FG> (fairly sure it's a reference to something, but no idea what)
18:40:56 <monod> ffmpeg version 0.8.6-6:0.8.6-1, [...] *** THIS PROGRAM IS DEPRECATED *** [...] Use -h to get full help or, even better, run 'man ffmpeg'. \n Playing raw data 'stdin' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono.
18:41:02 * monod wonders what to do next
18:41:09 <monod> that's the output of ffmpeg | aplay
18:42:32 <MK_FG> There should be some args there
18:42:53 <MK_FG> ffmpeg -i <file> -f wav - | aplay
18:43:01 <MK_FG> Sumthng like dat
18:43:27 <MK_FG> aplay is dumb-simple tool that comes with alsa libs
18:43:40 <MK_FG> So it should do as little processing as possible
18:44:15 <monod> Hm
18:44:20 <MK_FG> ffmpeg might be broken though, if the issue persists
18:44:29 <monod> arghg
18:44:38 <monod> no good news
18:45:04 <MK_FG> Doesn't run or high-pitch?
18:45:57 <monod> pitch is slightly shifted up
18:46:11 <monod> but:
18:46:18 <monod> let's try and make this ffmpeg work.
18:48:03 <MK_FG> Can be some alsa plugin (or even pulse, if alsa libs are configured to route stuff there) or kernel too
18:48:54 <monod> the conversion of the mp3 into the wav has been done almost instantly
18:48:57 <monod> yet then:
18:49:04 <monod> "aplay: playback:2483: read error"
18:49:58 <MK_FG> Hm
18:50:11 <MK_FG> Yeah, it doesn't seem to work for me with pipe either
18:50:35 <MK_FG> But ffmpeg -i <file> -f wav file.wav && aplay file.wav works \o/
18:50:37 <monod> (thanks for troubleshooting though)
18:50:44 <monod> hahaha
18:51:01 <monod> trying that... (but without the '-f', no?)
18:51:14 <MK_FG> Why no -f?
18:51:38 <monod> I read it from the synopsis
18:51:53 <monod> (and in the meanwhile no sound is being played at all... :((( )
18:52:01 <MK_FG> What's the synopsis?
18:52:16 <monod> the syntax of a command I think
18:52:22 <monod> I always read "SYNOPSIS"
18:52:28 <MK_FG> No, it should be there
18:52:31 <monod> or do you mean.. .the actual synopsis?
18:52:48 <MK_FG> It says ffmpeg to force-output whatever stuffs it reads as wav
18:52:56 <MK_FG> And not, say, as same mp3
18:53:06 <MK_FG> (aplay shouldn't be able to read these)
18:53:15 <monod> okay, retrying then... Maybe it didn't worked because of the pipe)
18:53:46 <monod> goosh: ffmpeg now asks for an output file to be specified :/
18:53:57 <MK_FG> Yeap
18:53:58 <monod> OOOOOH
18:54:02 <monod> -f wav file.wav
18:54:06 <monod> that wav
18:54:25 <monod> Playing WAVE 'bla.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo
18:54:33 <monod> yet still no audio... :(
18:54:46 <monod> I've always, always had issues with audio
18:54:55 <monod> after having moved from ubuntu
18:54:57 <MK_FG> Heh
18:55:03 <monod> frstration arises
18:55:09 <monod> and arised*
18:55:10 <MK_FG> I'd look at alsamixer, maybe stuffs muted there
18:55:18 <MK_FG> And if there's pulseaudio
18:55:29 <MK_FG> Which might have aplay stream muted for whatever reason
18:55:43 <monod> do you recommend removing pulseaudio?
18:56:03 <MK_FG> No, it's mighty useful
18:56:12 <monod> that was my impression too :)
18:56:21 <monod> (things seemed to work better with pulseaudio installed)
18:56:23 <MK_FG> Maybe disabling in asoundrc to test direct alsa
18:57:02 <MK_FG> I'm sure it can be quite frustrating to people when something doesn't work
18:57:27 <monod> (alsamixer says: "This sound device does not have any controls." It's an external sound card)
18:57:44 <MK_FG> F6 there, I think
18:57:51 <MK_FG> (to pick different one)
18:58:06 <monod> exactly
18:58:17 <monod> I chosed the one I'm using, this external one
19:01:34 <joepie91> btw, monod
19:01:47 <joepie91> someone I know had the same issue
19:01:50 <joepie91> but only in Chrome
19:01:55 <joepie91> the pitch issue
19:02:16 <joepie91> also, monod, have a read here, perhaps there's relevant info there: http://joepie91.wordpress.com/2013/05/09/how-to-solve-sound-issues-with-skype-on-crunchbang-linux-and-perhaps-other-distributions/
19:02:42 <joepie91> especially the second section
19:03:00 <monod> I also have another issue: I have to unplug and plug back in my sound card in order to get audio working :(
19:03:55 <monod> ok, trying some of that, thanks
19:06:25 <monod> (so comfortable that you can create a new tab in a gnome-terminal windows by pressing Ctrl+Shift+T...)
19:11:38 <joepie91> also, interesting: http://telehash.org/
19:12:09 <monod> joepie91, 1) now I can hear sound with the procedure that MK has provided 2) notice that in my case I couldn't install ia32-libs because of "dependency" issues
19:12:20 <monod> and 3) THAT sounds similar to telehack.*
19:13:41 <monod> OH MY.. eliza chatbox on facebook..... that's definitely the ultimate mean of privacy intruding
19:25:58 <monod> please guys, read this fail attempt
19:25:59 <monod> http://pastebay.net/1263654
19:26:01 <monod> hahahah
19:26:28 <joepie91> monod: reads like bot
19:26:30 <joepie91> cleverbot kind of bot
19:26:52 <monod> have you read it already?
19:27:03 <monod> "Liz: Does it please you to believe I am not understanding you?"
19:27:13 <monod> what the heck of a question is that??? XD
19:27:44 <monod> (I gave a look at telehash)
19:29:40 <joepie91> yes, I read it
19:29:41 <joepie91> I read fast
19:29:42 <joepie91> :p
19:30:17 <monod> and how's your memory reacting to that? Is it totally fine?
19:30:32 <joepie91> how do you mean?
19:31:34 <monod> is your memory being "penalized" by your fast reading?
19:33:21 <joepie91> not really, no :P
19:33:51 <joepie91> my brain is quite fast (somewhat -too- fast, actually, I'm having issues writing/typing things out in time before they slip away)
19:34:15 <monod> Does it please you that your memory is not being penalized by your fast reading?
19:34:17 <joepie91> basically, my thinking/memorizing speed still exceeds my reading speed
19:34:20 <joepie91> nice try
19:34:21 <joepie91> heh
19:34:23 <monod> And what are your feelings about that
19:34:24 <monod> hahahaha
19:34:25 <monod> sorry
19:34:27 <monod> had to try
19:34:27 <monod> XD
19:34:28 <joepie91> :P
19:34:31 <monod> serious now
19:34:37 * monod reads
19:34:45 <joepie91> but seriously, it's kind of frustrating to think this fast...
19:34:59 <joepie91> I often have problems with thinking up some kind of stupidly complex concept/method/idea
19:35:01 <monod> you have to think fast what you really have to write down, maybe
19:35:05 <joepie91> I think of it in a matter of seconds
19:35:09 <joepie91> but by the time I can get to a PC
19:35:18 <joepie91> half of the details, I forgot because my brain moved on
19:35:26 <joepie91> and I have to re-trace my steps
19:35:32 <lady-3jane> keep a voice recorder with you
19:35:36 <monod> I tell you this: have you tried with pens and paper?
19:35:47 <joepie91> lady-3jane: doesn't work
19:35:57 <joepie91> my speech is slower than my writing/typing
19:35:59 <joepie91> even if I'm behind a pc
19:36:03 <joepie91> by the time I have written half of it
19:36:04 <joepie91> the rest is gone
19:36:07 <monod> (because it's more natural to write that way and your brain does less effort rather than typing ona keyboard)
19:36:24 <joepie91> monod: writing is slower than typing for me
19:36:30 <monod> joepie91, that happens quite a lot to me too
19:36:34 <joepie91> and I don't really have to think about typing actually
19:36:34 <monod> and that's true oo
19:36:35 <monod> too*
19:36:42 <joepie91> I pretty much just do it without thinking
19:37:14 <lady-3jane> I find it terribly annoying that I have to make not installing documentation a standard on production machines
19:37:19 <joepie91> I think I'm going to take a shower...
19:37:22 <joepie91> lady-3jane: ?
19:37:26 <monod> you can consider 1) that thoughts that do not stay in mind for long were not so important 2) trying and writing down on paper instead of computer
19:37:42 <lady-3jane> because when you tick the "install docs" box, half the apps pull in 250megs of absolute horseshit to generate their docs
19:37:52 <monod> hahaha
19:37:55 <monod> and horseshit.. is heavy.
19:38:00 <lady-3jane> and that's not even tex
19:38:03 <monod> not as the 100+ KG oh elepho shit
19:38:11 <monod> but..
19:38:32 <lady-3jane> I fuckin hate it
19:38:49 <lady-3jane> everybody wants to be fancy and generate html or pdf docs like god damn fucking retards
19:39:20 <joepie91> monod: I think structurally... I don't discard 'unimportant bits of data'
19:39:26 <joepie91> I just have parts of 'trees' blank out
19:39:30 <joepie91> trees of information
19:39:41 <joepie91> basically, I don't think in separate 'data pieces'
19:39:44 <joepie91> and therefore can't prioritize those pieces
19:39:53 <monod> can't you rebuild those leaves?
19:39:55 <joepie91> also, lady-3jane, lol
19:39:56 <monod> "leaves" of a tree
19:40:01 <joepie91> monod: yes, that's what the re-tracing is about
19:40:09 <joepie91> but it's a lot slower than my original thought process
19:40:14 <joepie91> it's very frustrating to have to slow myself down
19:40:24 <monod> hmm
19:40:26 <monod> are you sure that:
19:40:37 <lady-3jane> lol branch weight calculation algorithms
19:41:12 <monod> if it's logical, structured reasoning, the audio recorder won't work?
19:41:20 * lady-3jane compiles gettext in gcc4.8
19:41:46 <lady-3jane> audio is too slow is his point
19:41:51 <joepie91> monod: what lady-3jane said
19:42:09 <lady-3jane> brain moves much faster than an encumbered flapping of skin
19:42:11 <lady-3jane> :P
19:42:17 <joepie91> brb shower
19:43:33 <monod> hmm.. obviously, each of us can't write or talk at the speed of thoughts, but
19:44:08 <lady-3jane> YEAH
19:44:18 <lady-3jane> compile things with ALL THE -fPIC
19:44:31 <monod> no horseshit? :D
19:45:18 <lady-3jane> holy
19:45:22 <lady-3jane> flac 1.3.0
19:45:24 <lady-3jane> :O
19:45:56 <lady-3jane> https://xiph.org/flac/changelog.html
19:46:02 <monod> http://pastebay.net/1263657 joepie91, when you're back. @everyone else too
19:46:04 <monod> have fun xD
19:49:54 <monod> when I don't have the words I change them.
19:50:02 <monod> may sound stupid
19:54:48 <norbert79> Evening... You know, normally I don't share things, but you see it shows how much you are worth even if your band doesn't exist for ages almost yet the crowds goes wild to your songs even if listened from a playback... http://www.wimp.com/crowdsings/
19:55:07 <norbert79> Sorry, I am just a huge fan of the mentioned band too and this just rocks...
19:56:28 <monod> "you: quit
19:56:29 <monod> Liz: Life is tough. Hang in there!"
19:56:29 <monod> lulz
19:56:32 <monod> gotta go
20:00:07 <joepie91> monod: lol
20:00:09 <joepie91> two cleverbots?
20:02:33 <joepie91> norbert79: classy
20:02:34 <joepie91> :P
20:18:24 <norbert79> joepie91: Seriously, it's amazing, that a rockband, which doesn't exist basically since 1991 makes a mood at a concert where the music comes from a playback only, where the real band hasn't even shown up
20:18:28 <norbert79> I mean this is just amazing
20:18:37 <norbert79> this shows how powerful Queen was and is still
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20:23:53 <ShadowDemon> Meow
20:24:03 <ShadowDemon> How goes it fellas? Long time no see.
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20:25:32 <joepie91> ohai ShadowDemon!
20:25:37 <joepie91> it's been a while indeed
20:25:45 <ShadowDemon> o/
20:25:49 <joepie91> also, lady-3jane, zeromq is quite nice, but I think I've found one weakness
20:25:56 <ShadowDemon> Definitely has.
20:26:03 <joepie91> it doesn't seem like you can combine different socket types in one connection...
20:26:15 <joepie91> ie. I have certain req/rep data, but also some pub/sub data
20:26:29 <joepie91> from what I've read so far, I'd have to maintain two separate connections for that
20:29:06 <lady-3jane> I don't have an issue with that
20:29:15 <lady-3jane> I'm sure it keeps the software much simpler
20:29:59 <lady-3jane> ugh I'm fucking tired of being in this transition period
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20:37:34 <monod> joepie91, yeah, two amazingly stupid cleverbots xD
20:37:45 <monod> and why you call them "cleverbots"
20:37:55 <monod> because of their AI?
20:39:10 <joepie91> cleverbots just have a certain way of talking
20:39:13 <joepie91> it's kind of recognizable
20:39:17 <joepie91> and those bots seemed like cleverbots
20:39:22 <joepie91> in the way they talked
20:39:22 <joepie91> :p
20:40:12 <monod> ahhh ok
20:43:04 <monod> surely this won't interest most of you, but have a look if you do.. It's about old computer era stuff http://www.csd.uwo.ca/staff/magi/personal/usenet.html
20:44:02 <monod> https://xkcd.com/138/
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21:17:25 <joepie91> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu7ZpWecIS8
22:17:27 <Ari> hmmm
22:17:53 <Ari> I've just gotten an email from a new client asking me to build them an Ecommerce site
22:18:00 <Ari> What's the best online shopping framework?
22:19:22 <joepie91> Ari: none
22:19:33 <Ari> I know they're all bloated and have flaws
22:19:41 <Ari> but what's the least crappy
22:19:52 <Ari> I don't wanna write one from the ground up, cause it'll be full of security holes.
22:21:06 * joepie91 has no idea
22:21:09 <joepie91> probably one of the big names
22:21:12 <Ari> lol
22:21:23 <Ari> I'm building a site for vintage clothing
22:21:26 <Ari> s/site/shop
22:22:39 <joepie91> 'vintage clothing'
22:23:05 <Ari> yeah
22:23:14 <Ari> go to a thrift shop, buy shit, sell it for 1000% markup
22:23:26 <joepie91> yes, that's what bothers me
22:23:30 <Ari> look, I don't care what they do with it. I build a site, i get $$, i'm happy
22:24:06 <Ari> also I have no idea what to quote them to make it
22:33:43 <zest> $_$
22:35:39 <Ari> lol
22:35:46 <zest> http://www.google.com/analytics/apps/about?app_id=1704002
22:35:49 <Ari> any web devs here with any idea how much it's worth?
22:35:55 <Ari> (simple shopping site)
22:36:15 <zest> "Shopify currently powers over 20,000 active online retailers, including: Angry Birds, DODOcase, Amnesty International, General Electric, Tesla Motors, Tata, Penny Arcade, CrossFit, GitHub, Evernote, Foo Fighters, Beastie Boys, Epic Meal Time, and Evisu Jeans."
22:36:23 <Ari> "Start your 14-day Free Trial today"
22:36:24 <Ari> noty
22:36:26 <zest> big names
22:37:02 <zest> lol, you wanna find free secure e-commerce
22:37:19 <Ari> nono
22:37:19 <Ari> like
22:37:24 <Ari> a php app
22:37:27 <Ari> not a hosted service
22:37:31 <zest> ah, sorry
22:38:53 <zest> look I google it a bit: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/76420/best-php-ruby-python-e-commerce-solution
22:39:58 <zest> my sister need php site too, maybe someday ...
22:42:46 <zest> http://www.webpay.com/
22:43:59 <zest> https://github.com/riaf/webpay-php
22:47:02 <zest> .. she want flash-like site with animation etc.
22:47:24 <zest> *wants
22:48:30 <zest> ... php was my suggestion I remember
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23:01:54 <mikaa> hola, found a sec vuln in a big store site - yep ecommerce shit, whats the normal behaviour? take `em down? i mean they fool kids for fashion, i`d love to see their customers gettin coupons for free. BUT im not an ass. they make 20 mill a year... xss -> persistent ... more vulns and flaws... really wut should i do???
23:02:02 <mikaa> report?
23:04:16 <mikaa> take my greezyness?
23:25:50 <joepie91> mikaa: you can report it to them, but do realize that there's still a chance that they just get pissed off and try to go after you for finding it
23:25:53 <joepie91> this has happened in the past
23:26:15 <joepie91> unrelated, lady-3jane, to elaborate a bit more on my issue with 0mq: how am I supposed to have authenticated sockets if I can only send stuff one-way?
23:26:27 <joepie91> ie. two peers authenticate against each other
23:40:44 <Ari> mikaa: report anonymously, if they don't fix it in ~1month, tell someone who knows what they're doing; maybe a big name in securirt