Cryto! 27 July 2013

00:00:27 <joepie91> lolpwn: bad
00:00:32 <joepie91> don't roll your own encryption
00:02:19 <lolpwn> It just extends mcrypt joepie91
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00:23:13 <MK_FG> I say do roll your own encryption too, just don't assume too much about it ;)
00:23:30 <MK_FG> If it's for fun, why the hell not...
00:24:57 <joepie91> MK_FG: the problem is that when lolpwn is writing code, it's probably for something that will be used in production :)
00:25:24 <lolpwn> joepie91: actually its not going to be used in production
00:25:30 <lolpwn> I just got bored and decided to make it.
00:25:35 <joepie91> oh, that's new
00:25:36 <joepie91> in that case, go ahead
00:25:40 <joepie91> just don't use it in production
00:25:40 <joepie91> heh
00:25:44 <lolpwn> yeah ofc.
00:26:04 <joepie91> time to sleep
00:26:04 <joepie91> night all
00:26:12 <MK_FG> Nite-nite
00:27:31 <lolpwn> cya
00:40:46 <lolpwn> lmao oops
00:41:41 <lolpwn> Hostname:
00:41:42 <lolpwn> lmao
00:45:27 <MK_FG> Spoilers, man!
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06:38:53 <mama> ebola
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09:44:14 <markov> hi
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11:34:13 <joepie91> MK_FG: what's up with that Russian internet censorship crap :|
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13:03:54 <mama> ebola
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13:22:33 <iceTwy> Hola
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15:50:55 <iceTwy> Hola again
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15:57:54 <joepie91> hai
15:57:55 <joepie91>
16:04:09 <iceTwy> division by zero?
16:04:17 <iceTwy> this is madness
16:04:47 <iceTwy> joepie91: what's this btw?
16:04:51 <joepie91> iceTwy: look at the damn UI
16:04:53 <joepie91> my eyes
16:04:57 <joepie91> my brain
16:04:59 <joepie91> my sanity
16:04:59 <joepie91> ._.
16:05:03 <iceTwy> haha
16:05:17 <iceTwy> kinda mindfuck, yes
16:05:26 <joepie91> _kinda_?
16:05:39 <joepie91> this... thing is called 'PaintCAD' apparently (hi Googlers!)
16:05:44 <joepie91> the UI is horrible
16:05:45 <joepie91> ._.
16:05:48 <iceTwy> oh
16:05:49 <iceTwy> paintcad
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16:17:34 <IR601> oh god
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16:17:42 <IR601> that ui is discusting
16:26:20 <Ari> w-why
16:26:23 <Ari> why odes this exist
16:26:27 <Ari> s/od//r
16:27:19 <joepie91>
16:27:26 <joepie91> Ari; I am asking myself that same question...
16:27:34 <joepie91> I mean, it seems like the application might actually be pretty good itself
16:27:36 <joepie91> just the UI...
16:29:03 <joepie91> also, worth a read:
16:29:10 <joepie91> re: GNOME and GTK+3
16:29:13 <joepie91> cc iceTwy
16:29:19 <iceTwy> hmm,
16:29:21 <iceTwy> ?
16:30:24 <joepie91> read that article
16:30:24 <joepie91> :)
16:31:15 <iceTwy> lmao
16:31:24 <iceTwy> the image that the guy refers to for GNOME 3
16:31:25 <iceTwy> :p
16:31:37 <MK_FG> joepie91, Should be up in a few days
16:32:04 <MK_FG> Got myself hetzner machine for the occasion ;P
16:32:19 <joepie91> heh
16:32:25 <iceTwy> bleh I don't really care about GTK3
16:32:26 <joepie91> seriously though, wtf
16:32:43 <iceTwy> all that annoyed me with GTK3 apps was that they used the fallback, ugly GTK UI
16:32:56 <MK_FG> These batshit-crazy politicians even published the to-ban list already
16:33:00 <iceTwy> but ever since I've installed a GTK2/GTK3 theme for XFCE I've been happy
16:33:08 <MK_FG> And item 1 there is, 2 is youtube, ...
16:33:18 <MK_FG> I don't even... ;)
16:33:19 <joepie91> >
16:33:25 <joepie91> they want to block VK?
16:33:34 <iceTwy> what
16:33:35 <joepie91> that'll go over well, I'm sure.
16:33:38 <iceTwy> blocking VK in RussiaN
16:33:40 <MK_FG> Yeah
16:33:52 * joepie91 grabs a bucket of popcorn and prepares for the fireworks
16:33:54 <iceTwy> lol.
16:33:58 <iceTwy> who wants to do that MK_FG?
16:34:29 <MK_FG> Some puppet idiots in power, apparently
16:34:59 <MK_FG> They also voiced that they want to ban stuff for abusive language and such
16:35:22 * iceTwy claps loudly
16:35:28 <MK_FG> It's such over the top idiocy that I can't even think about it rationally ;)
16:35:45 <MK_FG> So yeah, let's see how it goes
16:36:01 <MK_FG> I think it'll be just random blackouts of whatever from now on
16:36:01 <iceTwy> also wtf @ Adium on Mac?
16:36:18 <iceTwy> and blocking popular websites is such a foolish thing to do lol
16:36:20 <iceTwy> seriously
16:36:34 <iceTwy> isn't VK more popular than Facebook in Russia
16:36:35 <iceTwy> ?
16:36:37 <MK_FG> Well, they already did that with google, vk, yt for a few days
16:37:08 <MK_FG> 4/6 * IPs are currently banned
16:37:32 <MK_FG> VK is way more popular than FB here, indeed
16:37:57 <MK_FG> Some (most?) people think their internet doesn't work if vk doesn't ;)
16:38:03 <MK_FG> (same for
16:38:20 <MK_FG> It'd be fun ;)
16:39:15 <MK_FG> Or maybe not, maybe it's all usual bullshit-talk and they won't be blocking much except posts about gov corruption, bribes, shit that goes on here and such...
16:40:19 <MK_FG> Anyways, tomorrow should be some kind of rally against that in moscow, but these things never really work unless it's Red October :P
16:40:33 <joepie91> red october?
16:40:58 <MK_FG> Communist revolution, that's where USSR came from ;)
16:41:05 <MK_FG>
16:46:27 <iceTwy> joepie91: PM
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18:24:56 <AnonO_o> yay nickserv lives
18:25:25 <joepie91> yes, yes it does.
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18:31:25 <AnonO_o> how are you doing today?
18:31:33 <AnonO_o> get your shit back?
18:34:28 <joepie91> just my phone so far
19:00:38 <lolpwn> damn joepie91
19:07:48 <joepie91> ?
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19:58:09 <monod> hi peep
19:59:18 <joepie91> hai
20:07:46 <monod> for those who have aptitude (and maybe you also have to activate additional repositories) try "tempest-for-eliza"
20:07:57 <monod> tempest is the name of a side-channel attack
20:08:43 <monod> where monitors emit wave impulses, recordable at the AM radio frequency. This is an example of "video-logging"
20:08:53 <monod> (rather than keylogging)
20:09:24 <monod> side channel attacks are described at and there also is an interesting video at DEFCON from two Italian guys
20:09:48 <monod> who keylogged a computer from the electrical socket's voltage difference
20:09:49 <monod> s
20:09:53 <monod> differences*
20:10:53 <joepie91> wow.
20:11:01 <monod> Yeah. :D
20:22:27 <MK_FG> Tempest yeah, I always heard that name in the context of "if your adversary is nsa, you're fscked, see tempest" ;)
20:23:08 <monod> hehe, it's kind of an "engineered" attack
20:23:30 <monod> which means.. high-technical knowledge which brings to.. side-channels of course
20:23:39 <monod> it also involves some creativity
20:23:43 <monod> and some hacking
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20:27:03 <joepie91> MK_FG: or, as I saw someone (approximately) word it at some point: "If your adversary is the NSA, throw all your threat models into the bin and just give up, because tempest"
20:28:13 <monod> but there are also countermeasures to side-channel attacks. The first thing to know is which side-channels do exist
20:28:24 <monod> then, which side-channel attacks do as well
20:30:27 <MK_FG> I like to believe my only adversary is my laziness ;)
20:30:57 <monod> you should try this, MK_FG: the solution... is always already inside you.
20:32:07 <MK_FG> There is no solution
20:32:16 <MK_FG> It's an Advanced Persistent Threat!
20:32:32 <monod> that of lazyness?
20:32:36 <MK_FG> Security against that is a life-long process
20:32:47 <MK_FG> Yeap
20:33:04 * monod zomgs
20:33:09 <monod> oh god
20:33:23 <monod> I promised I would have go by this time
20:33:33 <monod> would have been gone*
20:33:35 <monod> so...
20:33:41 <monod> cya in the future!
20:33:50 <MK_FG> Great Scott
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