Cryto! 25 July 2013

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00:35:54 <Ari> wat
00:36:02 <Ari> Isn't all IRC iPad compatible?
00:36:04 <Ari> it's a protocol..
00:36:15 <Ari> that's like asking IS THIS HTTP COMPATIBLE WITH MY PHONE
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01:00:56 <MK_FG> iRC is compatible with iPad, it starts with i
01:07:01 <x> lolz
01:56:41 <Ari> lol
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06:14:11 <lady-3jane> YEAH
06:14:17 <lady-3jane> android with selinux? fuck yes
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07:00:43 <HiveResearch> lady-3jane: isn't selinux just an anal retentive set off access categories?
07:02:39 <lady-3jane> anal retentive is putting it lightly, but yes
07:05:07 <lady-3jane> It's a stupidly fine grained acl
07:06:18 <lady-3jane> it's one of the two reasons behind redhat being the biggest shared hosting OS
07:06:29 <lady-3jane> the other being the stupid long support windows
07:26:37 <MK_FG> Never seen shared hosting with selinux contexts though, all seem to use just uid/gid, sometimes grsecurity and chroot, but selinux...
07:27:31 <MK_FG> (if not freebsd, because it has cool grsec features out of the box)
08:09:31 <lady-3jane> yus
08:09:49 <lady-3jane> oh, really? I always figured that was why people used centos/rhel
08:10:08 <lady-3jane> there's no real other reason to, except MAYBE cpanel
08:10:17 <lady-3jane> but really even that works on other better os's
08:12:16 <lady-3jane> agh
08:12:20 <lady-3jane> I shaved my head today
08:12:40 <lady-3jane> I look like a completely different person :D
08:26:36 <MK_FG> I think even hosting sysadmins hate it so much they disable it on sight ;)
08:29:46 <lady-3jane> I have a friend (which reminds me, I need to set up his vm) which is buying a vm from us... he asked specifically for centos and I was directed to set it up and get it hosting his site with selinux on full
08:35:41 <MK_FG> Yeah, more people should use LSMs imho, selinux or not
08:36:23 <MK_FG> If anything, their notifications for apps trying to break these acl's might catch a lot of virii and backdoors
08:36:51 <MK_FG> (at least of non-APT kind)
08:38:26 <lady-3jane> which is most ^
08:39:27 <MK_FG> All 99.999% by sheer volume probably ;)
08:40:55 <MK_FG> I started using apparmor instead of selinux in the past, mostly due to the fact that it was much easier and soo much less stuff to work with - just kernel and tool to compile/load policies
08:41:25 <MK_FG> No need to tag inodes, maintain that tagging, no various pre-built selinux policy-kits, network labelling, ...
08:41:52 <MK_FG> But now I kinda regret not sticking to selinux, which seem to be much more powerful ;)
08:43:02 <MK_FG> Network connection labelling in particular seem to be great feature, which apparmor still doesn't do
08:43:37 <lady-3jane> yeah. It really is a great thing... huge fucking pain in the fucking ass, but... lol
08:43:55 <MK_FG> And inode-based acls seem to be much saner concept than path-based, especially with lots of binaries around running unconfined
08:44:42 <MK_FG> Nah, I bet it can easily be used in a similar to apparmor fashion - everything unconfined, just opt-in stuff as necessary
08:45:49 <MK_FG> That was the killer feature in apparmor for me, I think - that you don't have incomprehensible fuckton of rules pre-setup at the beginning (which you don't seem to be obligated to have, it just comes that way on distros)
08:46:26 <MK_FG> Oh, and probably logging to dmesg out of the box (and not sure if even disableable)
08:47:07 <MK_FG> When something breaks due to selinux, people seem to have trouble debugging it, even though it should have it's own logs (iirc they were collected from somewhere by syslog)....
08:47:33 <MK_FG> And with apparmor it's a non-issue - you see dmesg entries on each violation easily
08:47:55 <MK_FG> So you know it's a "permission denied" not due to dac rules, but apparmor ones
08:49:49 <MK_FG> Ars entry on that selinux in android has "Article updated to remove reference to NSA in the headline" footnote ;)
08:53:34 <lady-3jane> ha
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09:42:03 <monod> good morning..
09:43:57 <joepie91> morning
09:47:24 <Discordian> morning
09:52:07 <HiveResearch> DISCO
09:53:15 <HiveResearch> Discordian: PM
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10:26:44 <iceTwy> hai
10:27:20 <monod> hello icey
10:27:53 <iceTwy> hey
10:27:54 <monod> @all: what does '> /dev/null' do? Ignore all output by redirecting to a fictious device?
10:27:56 <iceTwy> how are you doin'
10:28:03 <iceTwy> I believe so monod
10:28:16 <monod> don't even ask, it's ups and downs
10:28:27 <iceTwy> how come, heh?
10:28:49 <MK_FG> Makes shell redirect stdout (fd=1) to /dev/null, opened with O_TRUNCATE
10:29:30 <MK_FG> *O_TRUNC
10:29:52 <MK_FG> (>> for O_APPEND instead, 2>/dev/null for stderr (fd=2))
10:33:05 <monod> iceTwy, all sort of things: 1) I wouldn't wake up early in the morning anymore, again, because I'm stupid and do not have the will to study, 2) psycho visits take the summer rest, or vacations, and will be back in 4 weeks. It's not much of a big problem, if I don't behave like a child, 3) my home is a prison, or perhaps it *may* be a prison, depending on how I want to see the thing. MK_FG, I appreaciate the answer, I also have more
10:33:05 <monod> questions on some details, like: 1) what's 'fd' ? 2) what does 0_TRUNC do?
10:33:36 <iceTwy> monod: at least I feel ya' on number 1
10:33:44 <iceTwy> I was supposed to wake up 2h ago
10:33:51 <iceTwy> my alarm rang, yeah, no probs
10:34:00 <iceTwy> but my body was like, "no, fu, you're tired, sleep"
10:34:05 <iceTwy> "plus your new pillow is amazing!"
10:34:09 <iceTwy> so I slept some more lol
10:34:21 <iceTwy> my sleep cycles are 90 mins, so I slept 90 more mins
10:34:31 <MK_FG> (1) file descriptor, (2) look it up in "man 2 open"
10:34:32 <monod> you shouldn't talk about it this lightly though (imho)
10:35:01 <monod> MK_FG, ok..
10:36:00 <monod> so, it's like a pipeline, it seems from the image
10:37:25 <MK_FG> From api perspective, it's just a number (integer) that means something to kernel
10:37:46 <monod> where are API located in the process?
10:37:52 <MK_FG> Do "ls -l" in any /proc/<pid>/fd path
10:38:13 <MK_FG> Ugh, I mean kernel syscall api in this case
10:38:21 <MK_FG> (man 2 syscall)
10:38:41 <monod> have you studied operating systems?
10:38:46 <MK_FG> It's accessed by putting some values in cpu registers and calling some "syscall" instruction iirc
10:39:15 <MK_FG> Depends on what one calls "studied" ;)
10:39:39 <MK_FG> Not in academic environment
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11:56:15 <iceTwy> joepie91: jabber
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14:09:35 <zxcvbnm> I heard they have the internet on computers
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14:22:42 <MK_FG> Nah, dat thing will never get off the ground
14:23:16 <MK_FG> Nice idea, but will never get big
14:23:21 <zxcvbnm> :(
14:23:31 <zxcvbnm> But we could share pictures of cats
14:25:19 <MK_FG> Clearly there is no market for these
14:25:59 <MK_FG> And imagine what it'll do to peer cat photographers (tm) industry
14:26:15 <zxcvbnm> The peer cat photographers (tm) industry has been corrupt for years, we all know this
14:26:33 <MK_FG> (wat!? how did I misspell "poor" like that...)
14:27:32 <zxcvbnm> I dunno, but I went with it P
14:27:45 <MK_FG> Corrupt, hah! It's all socialist hippie propaganda and you know it!!
14:28:22 <MK_FG> Peer cat photographers (tm) are all honest god-fearful businessmen
14:28:31 <zxcvbnm> lol
14:28:35 <joepie91> clearly the peer cat photographers (tm) would never do such horrible things to the public
14:28:40 <MK_FG> Whole world economy rests on their shoulders
14:28:46 <zxcvbnm> Classic polygamist peer cat photographers and their zionists stuffs
14:29:20 <MK_FG> Did you know that they alone generate over $9000 billions of tax money in US alone?
14:29:41 <MK_FG> And employ like the whole population of China
14:29:55 <zxcvbnm> I did
14:30:03 <zxcvbnm> I'm employed by them =/
14:31:18 <zxcvbnm> Did you know the peer cat photographers (tm) are building a bigger database warehouse than the NSA?
14:31:36 <zxcvbnm> It stretches across 7 countries & 2 continents.
14:31:50 <MK_FG> Clearly it is to store peer cats' pictures, and it legit
14:31:53 <MK_FG> *is
14:32:07 <zxcvbnm> Well, if your cat has nothing to hide, it shouldn't matter
14:32:32 <MK_FG> Here's the congress and senate approval, and president says by-the-god-it's-right
14:33:17 <MK_FG> Besides, how else can we stop these hippie communist arabs from blowing shit up?
14:33:28 <zxcvbnm> gd hippie communists..
14:33:36 <zxcvbnm> They need to cut their hair and get some jobs
14:33:53 <MK_FG> What? They all shoul be shot
14:34:03 <MK_FG> 'murrica for 'murricans!
14:34:11 <zxcvbnm> here to save the motherfuckin day yeaaah
14:34:23 <MK_FG> Fuck yeah
14:34:46 <MK_FG> You know they all owe us for ww2, ww1 and ww3
14:35:01 <MK_FG> And yet - the audacity - refuse to give us oil and shits
14:35:12 <zxcvbnm> the audacity is right
14:35:36 <zxcvbnm> If my maths & sciences are correct (and they are), the U.S. hasn't been in an illegal war ever
14:35:50 <zxcvbnm> and here come all these masked hippie communists just willy-nilly blowin themselves up
14:36:21 <MK_FG> Indeed, democracy-hating hippie communists that stand against all we stand for
14:36:38 <MK_FG> And they're already among us!
14:36:51 <zxcvbnm> No kidding, democracy-hating, vegetarian hippie communists standing when no one else is standing so their in the way, as usual
14:37:22 <zxcvbnm> next they're gonna expect our goberment to start taking care of anyone and everyone
14:37:51 <zxcvbnm> The peer cat photographers (tm) are our only hope of taking a political stance
14:37:51 <MK_FG> Indeed, abusing their rights via legal loopholes and shit, we won't stand for it
14:38:00 <zxcvbnm> Nope, we only sit, correct?
14:38:02 <joepie91> a confused politicritter might think you're serious
14:38:05 <joepie91> :)
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14:38:23 <zxcvbnm> well it's about damn time someone take us seriously
14:38:34 <zxcvbnm> lord knows the peer cat photographers (tm) can't do everything
14:39:02 <MK_FG> They're stretched so thin and already starving as it is
14:39:15 <MK_FG> Just look at their cheap Ferarris
14:39:26 <zxcvbnm> mhm
14:39:44 <MK_FG> And how many private islands were they able to afford in the last year?
14:40:49 <zxcvbnm> Probably only a handful * dozen
14:41:08 <zxcvbnm> Bonuses have been in the double-digit millions instead of triple-digit :(
14:41:49 <MK_FG> And that's no way to live, not with current global economy
14:42:17 <MK_FG> Just look what these ragheads done to it, with their cheap labor and shits
14:42:27 <MK_FG> Crisis after collapse
14:42:33 <zxcvbnm> mmhm, right you are ken
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14:51:15 <iceTwy> There
14:51:15 <iceTwy>
14:51:23 <iceTwy> Thoughts?
14:51:59 <zxcvbnm> iceTwy: can you tell me what i'm looking at (other than the obvious) so I can give you thoughts
14:52:15 <zxcvbnm> are you talking about the widgets on the side?
14:52:22 <iceTwy> how conky integrates with rest of the screen
14:52:24 <iceTwy> desktop rather
14:53:37 <zxcvbnm> I stopped liking ubuntu... sooo, with that said.. that looks like a clean setup.
14:53:47 <MK_FG> I'm all for classic "loads of shit with bars" conky ;)
14:53:56 <joepie91> iceTwy: it bothers me that one of the circles is half over the edge between terrain and sky
14:54:07 <iceTwy> ah
14:54:09 <iceTwy> the home one?
14:54:13 <joepie91> try spacing it a bit more so that the line is nicely in the middle between two circles
14:54:15 <joepie91> yes
14:54:22 <joepie91> but space it consistently
14:54:23 <zxcvbnm> what
14:54:26 <iceTwy> this is pretty fucked up tho
14:54:28 <MK_FG>
14:54:28 <joepie91> could also decrease spacing a bit
14:54:29 <zxcvbnm> joepie91: what if he changes his background pic
14:54:30 <iceTwy> I got it from deviantart
14:54:40 <iceTwy> holy crap MK_FG
14:54:42 <joepie91> MK_FG: jesus, how do you read that stuff
14:54:45 <zxcvbnm> lol MK_FG tell me thats not yours
14:54:56 <joepie91> zxcvbnm: then he rearranges them?
14:54:56 <MK_FG> Heheh, it's totally mine!
14:55:19 <iceTwy> joepie91: it's a bit tricky to do that
14:55:21 <iceTwy> because basically
14:55:28 <iceTwy> the background of the circle is a png file
14:55:28 <zxcvbnm> joepie91: then he'd be in a cycle of always shifting his widgets
14:55:32 <iceTwy> the transparent thingy
14:55:38 <iceTwy> and then the coloured rings are made with lua
14:56:33 <joepie91> iceTwy: meh
14:56:34 <joepie91> :P
14:56:38 <zxcvbnm> omg ipv6... what is this
14:56:40 <zxcvbnm> is this real life??
14:56:45 <iceTwy> yeah lol joepie91
14:56:47 <iceTwy> i'll change
14:57:01 <joepie91> also lol
14:57:07 <joepie91> today, a car drove into the local apple store
14:57:08 <joepie91> well, apple reseller
14:57:13 <joepie91> and stole shit
14:57:16 <joepie91> early in the morning
14:57:23 <joepie91> it was described quite generically as "an electronics store" in the press
14:57:32 <joepie91> 2 hours later, a new public job opening appears
14:57:39 <joepie91> "cleaning staff at electronics store in Dordrecht"
14:57:49 <joepie91> I wonder... :)
14:58:18 <zxcvbnm> lol I'm about to stir up some shit
14:59:11 <zxcvbnm> oh i'm sorry, did you say no windows allowed? muhahahhaha
15:02:13 <joepie91> I'm disappointed, zxcvbnm
15:02:18 <joepie91> I would've at least expected some Stardock stuff
15:02:32 <zxcvbnm> this is my work comp :P
15:02:40 <joepie91> even then
15:02:42 <joepie91> Fences or whatever
15:02:51 <zxcvbnm> meh
15:02:53 <zxcvbnm> fences is clunky
15:02:58 <joepie91> old Fences was nice
15:03:15 <zxcvbnm> i just don't ever use my desktop space..
15:03:27 <zxcvbnm> i have 2 monitors and so many windows open that i never even see that
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15:04:07 <zxcvbnm> my setup would be better if I could just have 2 more monitors....
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16:04:48 <ElectRo`> id computer better if i had 2 monitors
16:05:16 <ElectRo`> 2+mini monitor for irc
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16:37:38 <zxcvbnm> where are my ngninx experts
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16:54:38 <MK_FG> Who isn't?
16:54:55 <Ari> heh
16:55:12 <Ari> nginxperts
16:55:33 <MK_FG> Sounds like a porn studio
16:55:36 <joepie91> so uh
16:55:40 <joepie91> for those that did not pick up on this yet
16:55:45 <joepie91> OVH is now selling 3 euro/month dedicated servers
16:56:00 <joepie91>
16:56:05 <Ari> specs?
16:56:11 <joepie91> click
16:56:13 <MK_FG> Traffic?
16:56:35 <joepie91> click
16:56:42 <joepie91> oh
16:56:44 <joepie91> no more sekrit limit?
16:56:45 <Ari> SLA best effort?
16:56:48 <joepie91> guess it's actually unmetered now
16:57:03 <joepie91> Ari: yes, no explicit bandwidth guarantee
16:57:28 <MK_FG> >  64 bits  > RAM: 2 GiB
16:57:57 <MK_FG> Nice though
16:59:34 <Ari>
16:59:34 <Ari> HELP ME
17:00:09 <MK_FG> Hmm, what's the diff for vs
17:00:24 <Ari> ugh fuck i just finished summer school
17:00:35 <joepie91> MK_FG: OVH is slow at updating all of their sites
17:00:35 <Ari> parties here I come
17:00:36 <Ari> and all-night game jams
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17:01:01 <MK_FG> Heheh
17:01:27 <MK_FG> Of course, they're in site-hosting biz after all
17:01:28 <MK_FG> You can't expect fast site updates there ;)
17:02:24 <why_slap_option> brb gym
17:03:48 <MK_FG> I wonder why they insist on 64-bit distros though...
17:04:13 <MK_FG> These seem hardly necessary (still) with 2 GiB
17:04:29 <MK_FG> And 32-bit can make like 2x out of that
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17:17:55 <joepie91>
17:22:23 <ElectRo`> f2p mmorpg
17:22:26 <ElectRo`> lol
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18:39:48 <lady-3jane> NP: [Ghetto Funk Allstars - Glenn Miller - In The Mood (Funk Ferret & Goodgroove Remix)] [Icons Vol 2] [320kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
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20:08:57 <lady-3jane> jesus fucking christ how does anyone use firefox
20:09:11 <lady-3jane> It has locked up 3 times in the last 15 minutes
20:09:21 <lady-3jane> not crashed, just locked up for a good 15s
20:15:04 <MK_FG> It twists one's usage habits to subconsciously avoid doing some things that might lock it up like that
20:15:37 <MK_FG> And distorts one's perception of time, so any lock-up is expected and brain phases-out for that period
20:16:57 <MK_FG> It looks like person is doing something (despite hung browser) from the outside, but brain activity is completely dead for that period
20:17:48 <lady-3jane> :<
20:17:58 <lady-3jane> I dunno if it's the gc or what, but jeez
20:18:12 <lady-3jane> any stop the world batch tasks should never ever ever get in the way of the ui like this
20:18:45 <lady-3jane> nobody will even care if it takes an extra 100ms to load every page as long as it doesn't freeze like that
20:19:50 <MK_FG> You're not supposed to notice that!
20:20:03 <MK_FG> Jo-o-o-oin u-u-u-us
20:20:31 <lady-3jane> I suppose the reason I like chrome is because it never freezes, and when it does it just takes out the whole fucking browser
20:20:38 <lady-3jane> and that's fine
20:20:39 <MK_FG> But seriously, I probably so used to ff I physically can't see these things even if they pop up every day ;)
20:20:44 <lady-3jane> crashing is good, as far as I'm concerned
20:21:33 <lady-3jane> either silently continue or crash in a giant ball of fire (with recovery options), I don't care, but don't fucking lag up for 15-30s
20:28:10 <iceTwy> right
20:28:12 <iceTwy> I need
20:28:22 <iceTwy> 1. a lightweight distro that I can run from an USB key
20:28:34 <iceTwy> 2. decent updates
20:28:38 <iceTwy> 3. secure, secure, secure
20:28:44 <iceTwy> is Tails the best choice?
20:30:46 <lolpwn> iceTwy CrunchBang
20:31:39 <iceTwy> hm
20:32:35 <iceTwy> lolpwn: well is CrunchBang known to be secure?
20:32:57 <lolpwn> Not exactly sure what you mean there iceTwy.
20:33:13 <iceTwy> well, I mean that I need something really secure.
20:33:15 <lolpwn> It's a very secure OS, but then again you have to factor in what you intend on using it for.
20:33:19 <lady-3jane> what is secure
20:33:21 <lady-3jane> secure against what
20:33:27 <lolpwn> ^^
20:33:44 <lady-3jane> define your operational requirements :)
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20:34:13 <AnonO_o> hai
20:34:48 <AnonO_o> I'm apparently joe's fag hag according to doxbin
20:40:27 <lady-3jane> loggy, pointer?
20:40:27 <loggy>
20:40:34 <iceTwy> that was logged
20:40:35 <iceTwy> ooo
20:41:49 <AnonO_o> wouldn't it be better to have it store the off var for each person in channel, so you could do !off and after X minutes of non-talking, it tells you it's back on?
20:42:00 <AnonO_o> instead of prefixing everything
20:42:26 <joepie91> AnonO_o: no, for various reasons
20:42:46 <joepie91> 1. race conditions, where you'd hit enter _just_ after [off] disabling and accidentally leaking information because you didn't notice in time
20:42:48 <lady-3jane> people would forget
20:42:58 <joepie91> 2. would black out an entire part of conversation rather than just the bits that really have to stay out of logs
20:43:16 <joepie91> the intention is for [off] to be used minimally
20:43:44 <joepie91> also
20:43:45 <joepie91> 20:34:48 <AnonO_o> I'm apparently joe's fag hag according to doxbin
20:43:46 <joepie91> elaborate?
20:44:15 <AnonO_o> check doxbin... some asshat found an old wordpress of mine and got a pic
20:44:37 <AnonO_o> along with saying I sucked poke's cock for ops in anonops
20:44:44 <lady-3jane> hot
20:44:57 <lady-3jane> AnonO_o:) why are you concerned about gossip?
20:44:57 <AnonO_o> but I'm apparently your fag hag.
20:45:19 <joepie91> AnonO_o: eh, right.
20:45:27 <AnonO_o> concerned? hmm.  more annoyed someone bothered.
20:45:58 <AnonO_o> can't tell if I've been rustled or someone I 'know"
20:46:14 <lady-3jane> it's pretty obvious you're being rustled :P
20:46:24 <lady-3jane> though I don't know if that word means the same to you as me
20:46:25 <lady-3jane> :P
20:58:48 <lady-3jane> NP: [Godsmack - Straight Out Of Line] [Faceless] [1023kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
21:16:09 <lady-3jane> lemme lay it out for you: telling people not to do something because there are risks associated with it is exactly what we do with sex education in the US. Don't fuck because you might get pregnant. What good does it do us?
21:16:32 <AnonO_o> dare fucking
21:16:55 <lady-3jane> It's a worthless thing to say, and mostly damaging, because kids will fuck whether you want them to or not. If they have the information, they'll be safer about it.
21:17:22 <joepie91> iceTwy: LSD
21:17:28 <lady-3jane> (and actually they do it less, straight up, if they have the info)
21:17:38 <lady-3jane> I got tired of off
21:18:06 <lady-3jane> So, what do you think is the effect to me of telling me not to color my hair because I might get cancer?
21:18:27 <lady-3jane> I might get hit by a car walking down the street too, but it doesn't stop me. And getting hit by a car is a hell of a lot more likely.
21:18:57 <joepie91> iceTwy: was I right? :P
21:19:09 <lady-3jane> somebody needs to learn them some harm reduction :3
21:20:10 <iceTwy> yes joepie91
21:20:23 <joepie91> iceTwy: Google-Fu!
21:20:26 <iceTwy> I knew
21:20:27 <iceTwy> :P
21:20:57 <lady-3jane>
21:21:06 <lady-3jane> watch that at some point
21:21:22 <lady-3jane> It's all sorts of awesome.
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21:56:33 <HiveResearch> lady-3jane: cancer isn't like pregnancy - pregnancy is a probability thing - cancer risk piles up over time
21:57:46 <HiveResearch> you could change your mind later after you've gone past the threshold and you'll still get it
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22:12:54 <zest> hello, hello
22:13:56 <zest> Viber compromised, suck, I knew it might happen ^_^
22:16:14 <lady-3jane> HiveResearch:) and yet telling people to just say no is just as ineffective
22:17:08 <zest> Does anyone know how long cryto store users IPs at which they connected ?
22:17:10 <lady-3jane> I'm more concerned about my plastic white spoons I use to stir my pasta than coloring my hair
22:18:04 <lady-3jane> I will color my hair far less over a lifetime (I'll probably have to stop if I end up in govt) than I will stir pasta with those spoons
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22:23:24 <lady-3jane> lol quixotical
22:26:04 <iceTwy> epicest
22:26:05 <iceTwy> video
22:26:07 <iceTwy> of all times
22:26:07 <iceTwy>
22:26:28 <lady-3jane> NP: [Feist - Graveyard] [Metals] [756kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
22:28:46 <lady-3jane> mmm
22:28:56 <lady-3jane> I'm really liking this concept of intense world theory
22:29:55 <lady-3jane> I've been told repeatedly I have aspergers... but unlike some of the shit theories about it, that one fits my experiences better
22:31:57 <lady-3jane> which reminds me, I need to stop drinking coffee
22:33:12 <lady-3jane> it acts the same way alcohol does for me, where it narrows the amount of information I can perceive, and thus the amount I can be forced to process
22:36:16 <lady-3jane> NP: [Linkin Park - Bleed It Out] [Minutes To Midnight] [997kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
22:52:24 <lady-3jane> oh man
22:53:56 <lady-3jane> "It's the weekend, so yes go get wasted, don't get wasted and drop 0-day. That's harm reduction"
22:53:58 <lady-3jane> LULZ
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