Cryto! 14 July 2013
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06:35:45 * MK_FG yawns
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08:01:36 <MK_FG> PyPy compilation is weird - http://i.imgur.com/bA3yZsc.jpg ;)
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08:07:58 <lady-3jane> haha nah
08:08:15 <lady-3jane> top one is an inline mandelbrot, a very important metric for pypy :P
08:09:42 <lady-3jane> awesome. I love it when I update a bit of software and it's better, faster, etc, and no breaking with previous versions.
08:10:05 <lady-3jane> write api:: stick to api
08:10:58 <MK_FG> It's no fun to maintain old and broken apis
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08:23:07 <lady-3jane> MK_FG:) or you could just not write a shitty api in the first place
08:24:07 <MK_FG> Yeah, and not make any bugs while you're at it, too ;)
08:24:18 <MK_FG> Code like a GOD!
08:24:26 <MK_FG> (and no downsides)
08:24:57 <lady-3jane> bugs are fine as long as they're fixed when identified
08:25:14 <lady-3jane> and, that's the beauty of a good api, you can swap out the entire system behind it and nothing should change
08:26:07 <lady-3jane> suddenly: the entire backend is now in haskell instead of ruby! performance win!
08:26:36 <MK_FG> My point is that you won't get it right on the first try, no matter what
08:26:47 <lady-3jane> or like twitter, it's now in java servlets instead of ruby, which sounds just as retarded but the latter is a bit faster
08:26:54 <MK_FG> Requirements and backend capabilities change over time, too
08:27:18 <lady-3jane> aye, except when they don't
08:27:24 <MK_FG> Swapping backends is orthogonal of whether api is good or bad
08:27:45 <lady-3jane> Well, I updated yourls. what's likely to change, api wise?
08:27:48 <MK_FG> Linux has a fairly stable API
08:28:08 <MK_FG> And a lot of shit inside looks horrible just because of huge effort to maintain that stability
08:28:15 <lady-3jane> It shortens urls. great. also pulls some basic info off clients sliding through its 301 sleds. also cool. what might change?
08:28:32 <MK_FG> While lots of parts of that api make no sense at all, and never really did
08:28:45 <MK_FG> Hence a lot of duplication and extra maintenance effort
08:29:09 <lady-3jane> yeah, but that's because linux isn't in a position to break shit
08:29:41 <MK_FG> It can, just chooses not to ;)
08:29:43 <lady-3jane> they can't just tell everyone to fuck off we're rewriting X because seriously it's needed it since 2 weeks after we introduced it in 1993
08:29:48 <MK_FG> As you seem to advise ;)
08:30:01 <MK_FG> You don't have to, even 2.2 kernels still get patches
08:30:19 <lady-3jane> that's scary
08:30:22 <MK_FG> So, theoretically, let old sw rot on old apis
08:30:30 <MK_FG> But it's certainly a bad thing
08:30:53 <lady-3jane> I'll bet that is why 3.x was made from 2.x
08:31:03 <lady-3jane> so breaking changes could be made
08:31:09 <MK_FG> Nah, it was an arbitrary linus' whim
08:31:20 <lady-3jane> well he wasted his major version revision then
08:31:32 <MK_FG> 2.4 -> 2.6 was that way though, but mostly wrt internal apis
08:31:38 <lady-3jane> yeah
08:31:39 <MK_FG> Yeah, he did
08:31:56 <MK_FG> In some distros 3.0.0 was called 2.6.40 ;)
08:32:12 <MK_FG> So that lots of checks for version number won't break ;)
08:32:27 <lady-3jane> 3.0 coulda been a redo of some nice big old api. just one big api, but perhaps a really well-used and well-broken one
08:33:01 <lady-3jane> that way linux could continue glacial api changes and still make forward progress
08:34:00 <MK_FG> Extra burden to port stuff to then-2.6 branch then
08:34:19 <lady-3jane> I'd expect 2.6 to be pushed to "security fixes only"
08:34:44 <MK_FG> And bugs
08:34:47 <lady-3jane> but I dunno, linux is just a crazy hot mess when it comes to EVERYTHING
08:34:59 <MK_FG> Every large thing is!
08:35:05 <lady-3jane> versioning, changes, new features... all of it
08:35:24 <lady-3jane> It's a giant clusterfuck that seems to continue going mostly due to inertia and a will to keep sorta trying
08:35:45 <lady-3jane> collective will, even
08:39:00 <MK_FG> Collective lack of will to port all the stuff to some shiny new kernel which barely works
08:39:50 <MK_FG> And then run and fix its panics (and all the buggy ports) in production... *shudders*
08:40:12 <lady-3jane> I see a pretty solid line between porting everything to a new project and selectively deprecating and rewriting the most-offensive code
08:40:53 <lady-3jane> just how that one intel guy is trying to rip out fbdev if it kills him
08:43:16 <MK_FG> Well, they do throw stuff out
08:43:27 <MK_FG> i386 bit the dust recently, token ring, ... ;)
08:43:42 <lady-3jane> I knew that's what you were going to use as an example
08:43:45 <lady-3jane> hahahaha
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09:34:12 <MK_FG> I'm a few months behind on my lwn reading, so don't have any better ones ;)
09:36:27 <MK_FG> http://i.imgur.com/huajZe5.png \o/
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10:19:59 <iceTwy> Hola
10:20:05 <iceTwy> loggy, pointer
10:20:05 <loggy> http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2013-07-14#T10-20-05
10:41:51 <iceTwy> .startgh
10:41:52 <botpie91> Already watching GitHub.
11:20:06 <MK_FG> http://i.imgur.com/49MdRGx.jpg *sigh* pypy is fast
11:20:52 <MK_FG> (just not to build itself)
11:21:51 <ryan> h
11:44:19 <iceTwy> MK_FG: 3.5h,
11:44:20 <iceTwy> ?*
11:44:37 <iceTwy> yup
11:44:38 <iceTwy> lol
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11:51:13 <MK_FG> Yeah, something like that
11:51:45 <MK_FG> It also peaks at 2224388 RSS (2.2G) on 32-bit machine
11:52:08 <MK_FG> Internets say that it's 4-6G on amd64, crazy
12:22:09 <iceTwy> :o
12:25:34 <iceTwy> this is annoying
12:25:50 <iceTwy> botpie91 doesn't watch GH accordingly
12:25:56 <iceTwy> or at least, not my account
12:26:04 <iceTwy> even though I /have/ my name on the watch list
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13:03:35 <MK_FG> Conspiracy!
13:13:43 <MK_FG> jg71, o/
13:20:09 <twitchyliquid64> loggy; give me a pointer
13:20:18 <twitchyliquid64> loggy, give me a pointer
13:20:28 <twitchyliquid64> loggy, pointer give
13:20:34 <jg71> MK_FG, o\
13:20:39 <twitchyliquid64> loggy, pointer?
13:20:39 <loggy> http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2013-07-14#T13-20-39
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14:00:53 <Power2All> Good day sirs
14:00:54 <Power2All> :)
14:03:49 <iceTwy> Hola Power2All
14:04:39 <MK_FG> Power2You as well, sir
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14:07:37 <Power2All> IM fine :)
14:07:42 <Power2All> Just fixing some wordpress bullshit
14:07:59 <MK_FG> That sounds... depressing
14:08:07 <MK_FG> :P
14:08:51 <Power2All> Yah
14:09:01 <Power2All> But I fixed a rewrite rule check on possible hack attempts.
14:09:11 <Power2All> And 403'ing when its spotted.
14:09:12 <Power2All> ;)
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14:14:42 <lolpwn> joepie91 got raided?
14:14:45 <MK_FG> Why not redirect to goatse.cx? :P
14:14:46 <iceTwy> yeah
14:14:55 <iceTwy> oh derp goatse
14:15:22 <lolpwn> iceTwy joepie91 got raided lol
14:15:28 <MK_FG> I heard that real joepie91 is in undisclosed outsorced ussa-gov camp
14:15:37 <lolpwn> http://www.nu.nl/tech/3525423/nationale-recherche-doorzoekt-woning-lulzsec-lid.html
14:15:40 <MK_FG> And some agent just took over his nick as pr move
14:16:10 <lolpwn> That tells Sven S. in a chat channel Lulzsec. According to S. when the raid two desktop computers, a laptop, several hard drives, USB sticks, a hidden camera, 30 CDs and DVDs, five floppy discs, 6 micro SD cards and anything that was wrapped in a newspaper confiscated.
14:16:40 <MK_FG> "anything that was wrapped in a newspaper confiscated" hahah
14:17:01 <MK_FG> Listen to wisdom kids - never wrap stuff in a newspaper, fe-ds dig it ;)
14:17:20 <iceTwy> even my fish & chips?
14:17:21 <iceTwy> aw :(
14:17:28 <lolpwn> lol
14:18:06 <lolpwn> The search was executed by Team High Tech Crime (THTC), part of NCIS. According to S, a cop from the United States was involved. Because the cop did not legitimate himself, or never told who he was, it is unclear to which instance the cop belongs to. Though, it is known that the cop was stationed in The Netherlands to solve requests more quickly.
14:18:08 <lolpwn> lolwtf.
14:18:11 <lolpwn> ncis exists? :P
14:18:57 <MK_FG> Shhh! Very knowledge about their existance attracts them like flies...
14:19:34 <lolpwn> don't worry we can just look though Prism to find them :P
14:20:38 <MK_FG> I heard just thinking about them drives people to insanity in mere minutes!
14:22:08 <lolpwn> lol
14:22:23 <Power2All> mmm
14:22:26 <Power2All> How does this load for you guys
14:22:32 <Power2All> www.subdesu-h.net
14:23:52 <MK_FG> Slowwwwly
14:24:21 <Power2All> Yah its a big site
14:24:22 <Power2All> xD
14:24:50 <MK_FG> No, it also seem to lag quite a lot, e.g. "curl http://www.subdesu-h.net/" takes a dozen seconds
14:28:32 <jg71> gotta go fetch my 3yo ... cya
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14:36:01 <iceTwy> uhoh Power2All
14:36:02 <iceTwy> kinky
14:36:53 <iceTwy> If anyone needs my PGP key to contact me
14:36:57 <iceTwy> through a mail
14:37:01 <iceTwy> > http://icetwy.re/
14:37:06 <iceTwy> (bottom of the page)
14:42:40 <staticsafe> added you to my xmpp
14:50:07 <Power2All> MK_FG: Thanx
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15:00:30 <lolpwn> ugh
15:00:34 <lolpwn> stupid screenshot tool
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16:02:00 <YouKnowMe> sorry, what happened to joepie
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16:08:22 <staticsafe> he got raided
16:08:26 <staticsafe> see logs
16:33:45 <lady-3jane> lel
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17:24:25 <iceTwy> hai joepie91
17:24:29 <iceTwy> CSS sprites <3
17:54:53 <joepie91> ohai iceTwy
17:55:01 <lolpwn> joepie91 wut happened
17:55:14 <iceTwy> hai joepie91
17:55:20 <lolpwn> you get raided apperently?
17:57:22 <joepie91> lolpwn, http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2013-07-12#T13-56-05
17:57:42 <lolpwn> dayum
17:57:48 <lolpwn> why'd they do that? fking faggots
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17:58:30 <lolpwn> lol raid ordered by us agency
17:59:02 <lolpwn> https://t.co/QnCea5Lz9K
17:59:05 <lolpwn> cc joepie91
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18:14:22 <joepie91> lol
18:19:07 <iceTwy> what's the animal called again
18:19:12 <iceTwy> in the GNU logo
18:19:46 <MK_FG> Um... GNU? ;)
18:19:57 <MK_FG> lolpwn, Awesome vid ;)
18:20:22 <MK_FG> iceTwy, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnu
18:20:37 <iceTwy> lmao MK_FG
18:20:38 <iceTwy> Thanks
18:20:59 <lolpwn> :P
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18:33:52 <joepie91> blah
18:33:56 <joepie91> it's annoying
18:33:59 <joepie91> that I have to set up all my hardware again
18:34:03 <joepie91> >.>
18:34:19 <staticsafe> fun
18:39:19 <x> joepie91: I feel your annoyance <3
18:40:22 <x> not sure if you'd need but I come across hardware often and if you ever need, just say it and mi casaes su casa :3
18:45:56 <joepie91> https://twitter.com/joepie91_
18:46:09 <joepie91> x: nah, I got replacement hardware from a friend
18:46:16 <joepie91> I'll probably be good for a while
18:46:18 <joepie91> but thanks
18:46:18 <joepie91> :0
18:46:19 <joepie91> :) *
18:46:26 <x> <3
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18:47:10 <x> connor:
18:47:25 <lolpwn> joepie91 they took your accounts?
18:47:32 <joepie91> not exactly
18:47:47 <joepie91> they took my machine with my keepass db on it and I forgot where I put my offsite backup
18:47:48 <joepie91> lol
18:48:10 <joepie91> lesson learned: even if you backup frequently and you test your backups frequently, that's not much use if you forget where they are...
18:48:27 <joepie91> anyway, cbf to try and regain access to them right now
18:48:54 <lolpwn> lol
18:49:05 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I have a question that may seem stupid... Can I start||restart||stop ssh service by simply cron a shell script that is /etc/init.d/sshd start||restart||stop
18:49:06 <wh1t3r4bb1t> ?
18:49:18 <lolpwn> joepie91 know any good cloud oses(to be used on server for deploying internal vms for testing)?
18:49:28 <lady-3jane> most linuxes will do `service sshd restart`
18:49:30 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: sure, can't see why not
18:49:33 <joepie91> and that
18:49:34 <lolpwn> wh1t3r4bb1t yep
18:49:39 <joepie91> lolpwn: "cloud os" means nothing to me
18:49:44 <joepie91> you'll have to elaborate
18:50:00 <lady-3jane> vm box or inside the vm's?
18:50:05 <wh1t3r4bb1t> ok thanks
18:50:08 <lolpwn> joepie91 basically, just need a panel of some sorts(like vmware exsi crap) for making vms and remote management from remote machine
18:50:20 <lady-3jane> hah ha ha
18:50:23 <joepie91> so... proxmox?
18:50:25 <lady-3jane> ha
18:50:27 <lady-3jane> hahahaha
18:50:28 <lady-3jane> hah
18:50:30 <lady-3jane> hahahahahahaha
18:50:45 <lady-3jane> esxi is the least shitty on the market
18:51:00 <lolpwn> I dont' want proxmox or esxi
18:51:11 <lady-3jane> write bash scripts to control libvirt then
18:51:13 <lady-3jane> that's what we do
18:51:22 * lady-3jane giggles
18:51:29 <lolpwn> ugh, cba to learn libvirt shit to do it.
18:51:36 <lady-3jane> It's the easiest :P
18:51:43 <lady-3jane> not necessarily "best"
18:52:26 <lolpwn> meh
18:52:46 <lady-3jane> easiest is what drove our choice :P
18:52:56 <lady-3jane> the "can be done by hand without scripts if necessary" test
18:52:56 <lady-3jane> :P
18:53:26 <lady-3jane> I am absolutely loving this loud dirty techno
18:53:39 <lady-3jane> https://soundcloud.com/fuckourordinarylives/itsnotourfaultfoolremix
18:53:52 <lolpwn> im just using remote desktop to view a windows box to manage it atm
18:53:53 <lolpwn> :P
18:54:14 <lady-3jane> I don't understand
18:54:17 <lady-3jane> you're using windows?
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18:54:19 <lady-3jane> :O
18:54:41 <lady-3jane> 4 minutes left on my torrent YAY
18:54:43 <wh1t3r4bb1t> joepie91 why did you get raided?
18:54:46 * lady-3jane opens the floodgate
18:55:08 * joepie91 sighs
18:55:16 <lady-3jane> for lulz
18:55:16 <lolpwn> lol yeah
18:55:18 <joepie91> http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2013-07-12#T13-56-05
18:55:24 <lady-3jane> mostly lulz
18:55:31 <wh1t3r4bb1t> okay will read
18:55:35 <lady-3jane> also, reasons
18:55:37 <lady-3jane> :3
18:55:45 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) <3
18:56:03 <joepie91> see, this kind of thing is why we have public logs
18:56:04 <joepie91> lol
18:56:22 <lady-3jane> :3
18:56:49 <lady-3jane> awh see now I have to auth you, which means I need a really good question
18:56:56 <lady-3jane> I hate having to make really good questions
18:56:57 <lady-3jane> :D
18:57:37 * lady-3jane cracks knuckles
18:58:02 <lady-3jane> I feel like flo is in chan
18:58:34 * lady-3jane waves
18:58:39 <joepie91> lol
18:59:39 <lolpwn> Ugh, anyone used zabbix before?
19:00:05 <wh1t3r4bb1t> so joepie91, any new info on which US agency was behind this?
19:00:15 <lady-3jane> sounds like... wat
19:00:28 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: acccording to the nu.nl reporter that wrote an article, there's a permanent stationing of an FBI guy
19:00:29 <joepie91> at HTC
19:00:32 <joepie91> so that'd be my guess
19:01:37 <lady-3jane> pretty likely too
19:01:58 <lady-3jane> fbi is who coordinates with civies
19:02:01 <wh1t3r4bb1t> wtf, the US federal government is out of control. All because the rich are afraid of the poor rising up. It's a damn shame.
19:02:18 <lady-3jane> that is like the smallest of the issues
19:02:49 <wh1t3r4bb1t> orly? what is the largest of the issues?
19:02:59 <wh1t3r4bb1t> the revolutionary action plan?
19:04:33 <lady-3jane> I. er. You have no idea how elite power works, do you?
19:04:48 <lady-3jane> go study some political science books, mang
19:05:16 <lady-3jane> I talk alot, but fuck I don't want to paraphrase an entire semester of class
19:05:27 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Just tell me your opinion lady-3jane...
19:05:43 <wh1t3r4bb1t> The short answer.
19:05:48 <lady-3jane> There isn't one
19:05:53 <lady-3jane> there's 100 or 1000
19:06:05 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Like. Because our dicks are bigger and we have to prove it with rape.
19:06:07 <lady-3jane> fuck the short answer
19:06:23 <lady-3jane> complexity is not a vice >_>
19:06:49 <lady-3jane> https://soundcloud.com/tigerbeat6/1-kanji-kinetic-new-era
19:06:50 <lady-3jane> YES
19:06:54 <wh1t3r4bb1t> This snake has too many heads.
19:06:56 <lady-3jane> BWOW WOW WOW
19:07:21 <lady-3jane> and the rats at the bottom are hard to kill, aren't they?
19:07:22 <lady-3jane> :P
19:07:42 <lady-3jane> If the snake had fewer heads, what would happen?
19:07:48 <wh1t3r4bb1t> We need a mongoose to kill this snake.
19:08:03 <lady-3jane> fewer heads means more concentrated power
19:08:11 <lady-3jane> which is precisely what madison feared most
19:10:32 <lolpwn> smoothwall.org - is it any good?
19:10:44 <wh1t3r4bb1t> When the power is concentrated top a single head, that head can be piked and the problem is then solved. Too many heads = full scale revo war = many many many deaths OR submission. Also =
19:11:26 <wh1t3r4bb1t> FTW
19:13:24 <lady-3jane> the problem is not solved o.o
19:13:39 <lady-3jane> If only the head at the top changes, you've changed nothing
19:15:53 <lolpwn> Is it possible to start routing off traffic once a certian pps / mbps limit is hit on the machine?
19:18:15 <lady-3jane> probably
19:18:23 <lady-3jane> usually you use routers for that
19:18:29 <lady-3jane> but if your pc is the router...
19:18:29 <lady-3jane> :P
19:18:43 <lolpwn> is it possible via a server?
19:18:45 <lolpwn> like on vps
19:18:48 <lolpwn> (or dedi server)
19:20:15 <lady-3jane> I'd be apprehensive about doing routing on the same box that serves
19:20:18 <lady-3jane> but people do it
19:20:33 <lady-3jane> just remember, if you're talking about incoming data none of it has state
19:20:44 <lady-3jane> so you should be using ACLs and such, and not a stateful firewall
19:22:14 <lolpwn> basically
19:22:26 <lolpwn> It'd be traffic -> fw1 -> actual server
19:22:36 <lolpwn> fw1 routing the traffic and dropping risk ips, etc.
19:23:03 <lolpwn> so basically if traffic reaches about set traffic, start temporarlly dropping ips(blackhole)
19:24:47 <lady-3jane> yeah okay
19:24:49 <lady-3jane> just drop em
19:24:58 <lady-3jane> you can set ratelimits and such
19:25:08 <lady-3jane> like after 50mbps drop
19:25:49 <lolpwn> any idea how?
19:28:00 <lady-3jane> every linux has some sort of firewall shit
19:28:17 <lady-3jane> iptables, ifw, ipfw whatever
19:28:24 <lady-3jane> pf
19:28:26 <lady-3jane> there's tons
19:28:29 * lady-3jane shrugs
19:28:44 <lolpwn> ik
19:28:51 <lolpwn> but is there any exact cmd to run lol
19:29:12 <lady-3jane> I wouldn't know, I don't run firewalls
19:32:15 <lolpwn> damn
19:33:05 <lolpwn> found it
19:33:08 <lolpwn> iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -i eth0 -m state --state NEW -m recent \
19:33:09 <lolpwn> --update --seconds 60 --hitcount 4 -j DROP
19:33:13 <lolpwn> thats for ssh though but same concept
19:37:30 <lolpwn> but ofc it doesn't work.
19:49:58 <MK_FG> joepie91, Proclaim raid-day to be I-woke-up-with-only-a-linux-livecd-day-whatdoido? ;)
19:53:49 <joepie91> lol
19:54:44 <lolpwn> wow this sucks.
19:55:54 <lady-3jane> so get off apache?
19:56:34 <lady-3jane> what you're doing is just going to slow down how long it takes for someone to take down your shit, won't stop it
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20:17:13 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Im getting permission denied email from cron when it tries to run my shell script... Do I need to chown it to cron or something?
20:23:38 <staticsafe> wh1t3r4bb1t: your script needs executable permissions
20:23:43 <staticsafe> try a chmod +x
20:24:43 <wh1t3r4bb1t> oh yeah duh haha thanks
20:25:49 <wh1t3r4bb1t> also if I run a script that runs a service will that service be running as the user the script is executed by?
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20:54:42 <lady-3jane> usually
20:54:56 <lady-3jane> if it's a user's cron it'll be that user, else root
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21:12:19 <wh1t3r4bb1t> this is my script and it's being called by cron but bitcoind will not start even though it's not running. I ran the script from command line also and still nothing happens. I'm horrible at shell >.<
21:12:35 <wh1t3r4bb1t> #!/bin/bash
21:12:35 <wh1t3r4bb1t> #run-bitcoind.sh
21:12:35 <wh1t3r4bb1t> #make sure a process is always running.
21:12:36 <wh1t3r4bb1t> #export DISPLAY=:0 #needed if you are running a simple gui app.
21:12:37 <wh1t3r4bb1t> process=bitcoind
21:12:39 <wh1t3r4bb1t> makerun="/etc/init.d/bitcoind start"
21:12:41 <wh1t3r4bb1t> if ps ax | grep -v grep | grep $process > /dev/null
21:12:43 <wh1t3r4bb1t> then
21:12:45 <wh1t3r4bb1t> exit
21:12:47 <wh1t3r4bb1t> else
21:12:49 <wh1t3r4bb1t> $makerun
21:12:51 <wh1t3r4bb1t> fi
21:12:53 <wh1t3r4bb1t> exit
21:14:12 <iceTwy> wh1t3r4bb1t: PASTEBIN
21:14:35 <iceTwy> joepie91: woah, all those tweets
21:14:44 <wh1t3r4bb1t> ok
21:15:35 <joepie91> iceTwy: where?
21:15:45 <iceTwy> joepie91: on your alt twitter account
21:15:51 <joepie91> ah
21:15:53 <iceTwy> https://twitter.com/joepie91_
21:15:56 <joepie91> it's not _that_ many tweets
21:15:59 <iceTwy> ^^
21:16:07 <iceTwy> what have you been dealing with?
21:16:07 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 2 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02Rename sublimetext2-SolarizedToggle to sublimetext-SolarizedToggle', '02Merge pull request #1532 from damccull/masterChange url on github' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/55d083ba2d...99190fc9db)
21:16:11 <wh1t3r4bb1t> http://pastebin.com/9tQgQ9nm
21:16:16 <iceTwy> people accusing you and telling conspiracy shit?
21:16:19 <iceTwy> on your back?
21:16:25 <joepie91> there's a bunch of people on twitter
21:16:30 <joepie91> spitting out conspiracy crap
21:16:31 <joepie91> lol
21:16:32 <wh1t3r4bb1t> iceTwy ^^
21:17:21 <iceTwy> joepie91: PM quickly
21:18:52 <iceTwy> nothing happens, wh1t3r4bb1t?
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21:19:02 <iceTwy> tbh
21:19:05 <iceTwy> you're making this too hard
21:19:05 <iceTwy> lol
21:19:25 <iceTwy> I'm not even sure you need to add "> /dev/null"
21:19:27 <iceTwy> sec
21:19:34 <wh1t3r4bb1t> ok
21:19:46 <wh1t3r4bb1t> nothing happens at all iceTwy
21:20:06 <iceTwy> right
21:20:09 <iceTwy> lemme pastebin something for you
21:20:14 <iceTwy> http://pastebin.com
21:20:24 <wh1t3r4bb1t> ALRIGHT THANKS
21:20:30 <wh1t3r4bb1t> sry for caps
21:20:39 <wh1t3r4bb1t> stupid clb
21:21:18 <iceTwy> lol
21:21:19 <iceTwy> first of all
21:21:20 <iceTwy> syntax error
21:21:23 <iceTwy> IF [condition];
21:21:26 <wh1t3r4bb1t> need the paste id
21:21:30 <iceTwy> THEN [blabla];
21:21:33 <iceTwy> add a semicolon
21:22:40 <wh1t3r4bb1t> does the condition need to be in brackets?
21:22:43 <iceTwy> sec
21:22:44 <iceTwy> no
21:22:54 <iceTwy> there's a much simpler way to find out if bitcoind is running
21:22:57 <iceTwy> lemme write that
21:26:16 <wh1t3r4bb1t> ok
21:28:58 <iceTwy> http://pastebin.com/qtGKf62v
21:28:59 <iceTwy> that works for me
21:29:00 <iceTwy> however
21:29:11 <iceTwy> change the process to however you start bitcoind
21:29:17 <iceTwy> I just have to invoke bitcoind to start it
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21:37:12 <wh1t3r4bb1t> doesn't work for me yet... I'm checking something though]
21:38:27 <wh1t3r4bb1t> ok if I type /usr/bin/bitcoind
21:38:34 <wh1t3r4bb1t> at command line bitcoin runs
21:38:42 <wh1t3r4bb1t> bitcoind*
21:39:33 <wh1t3r4bb1t> but if I put that as the makerun variable in the script and run the script from the command line it doesn't work
21:45:02 <wh1t3r4bb1t> iceTwy, can I get a copy of your init.d/bitcoind script if you have one?
21:45:32 <iceTwy> I don't use SysV
21:45:37 <iceTwy> so no init.d/bitcoind
21:45:48 <wh1t3r4bb1t> oh
21:45:50 <iceTwy> Arch uses systemd by defaulty
21:45:52 <iceTwy> default*
21:46:08 <iceTwy> the migration was a pain in the ass
21:46:13 <iceTwy> from SysV to systemd lol
21:46:20 <wh1t3r4bb1t> why would teh script not be running the line /usr/bin/bitcoind?
21:46:47 <wh1t3r4bb1t> i'll pastebin
21:47:24 <wh1t3r4bb1t> http://pastebin.com/HXBuW5X6
21:54:31 <iceTwy> not too sure wh1t3r4bb1t
21:54:32 <lady-3jane> why use absolute paths
21:54:42 <lady-3jane> you guys are crazy
21:54:44 <iceTwy> yeah
21:54:48 <iceTwy> I was thinking about this
21:54:56 <iceTwy> but I do believe that this is only for wh1t3r4bb1t's use
21:55:04 <lady-3jane> let's write our own sysv script because...?
21:55:12 * lady-3jane facedesks
21:55:42 <joepie91> I'm... somewhat amazed at the amount of people that are going completely batshit insane over the involvement of the US in my raid
21:55:57 <lady-3jane> why don't you just use... hup? I think that's the inbuilt angel process watcher
21:56:10 <lady-3jane> fuck I forget
21:56:18 <lady-3jane> we used to run crashy php script bots using
21:57:36 <wh1t3r4bb1t> why not run a shell script through a cron job every minute?
21:57:47 <wh1t3r4bb1t> why noy hero?
21:57:50 <wh1t3r4bb1t> not*
21:58:02 <wh1t3r4bb1t> why eat breakfast?
21:58:28 <wh1t3r4bb1t> because this is what I want to do and this will work so I'm doing it this way.
21:59:05 <wh1t3r4bb1t> it's there after restart and it's reliable
21:59:40 <wh1t3r4bb1t> however I'm obviously doing it wrong
22:01:42 <lady-3jane> 15:01:36 up 1 day, 5:51, 3 users, load average: 22.82, 15.17, 7.06
22:02:21 <wh1t3r4bb1t> okay iceTwy, the script is saying i that bitcoind is still running even when I kill it
22:02:34 <iceTwy> hmm?
22:03:06 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I added echos for Running and not running and weather it's running or not I get the echo "Running"
22:03:16 <wh1t3r4bb1t> so... fml
22:03:19 <wh1t3r4bb1t> lol
22:03:21 <iceTwy> lol
22:04:32 <wh1t3r4bb1t> this... http://pastebin.com/yLBxDDre
22:04:50 <wh1t3r4bb1t> always echos "Running"
22:05:14 * wh1t3r4bb1t bangs head against wall
22:05:24 <lady-3jane> fuck you for making me look up hup programs
22:05:25 <lady-3jane> :D
22:05:45 <lady-3jane> ahh fuck
22:05:47 <lady-3jane> that was such a battle
22:05:50 <iceTwy> wh1t3r4bb1t: I'm horrible at bash as well
22:05:51 <iceTwy> but
22:05:51 <iceTwy> :p
22:05:58 <lady-3jane> 15:05:55 up 1 day, 5:56, 3 users, load average: 18.61, 21.73, 12.06
22:06:03 <lady-3jane> was at 36
22:06:44 <lady-3jane> I need to figure out how to make chrome not ask to kill a misbehaving page
22:06:54 <lady-3jane> that function gets in the way of my oom-killing
22:08:23 <lady-3jane> NP: [Limp Bizkit - The One] [Chocolate Starfish And The Hot Dog Flavored Water] [912kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
22:08:30 <lady-3jane> ahhh, back to working stuffs
22:08:53 <lady-3jane> must be time for a new pc
22:08:57 <lady-3jane> I oom almost daily now
22:09:35 <lady-3jane> I think I'm gonna make an oomkiller function for i3
22:09:45 <lady-3jane> mod-shift-k :>
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22:30:55 <wh1t3r4bb1t> anyone in heer keen on bashing?
22:32:29 <lolpwn> the moment you spot a CSRF on whmcs.com
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22:36:07 <iceTwy> lolpwn: ... you're not surprised
22:36:08 <iceTwy> :D
22:36:15 <lolpwn> Lol
22:36:18 <lolpwn> multiple actually
22:36:19 <lolpwn> and a banner disclosure.
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22:36:42 <joepie91> banner disclosures are boring
22:36:43 <joepie91> :P
22:37:18 <lolpwn> yeah but
22:37:25 <lolpwn> demo.whmcs.com ;
22:37:26 <lolpwn> Banner: Server: Apache/2.2.23 (FreeBSD) PHP/5.4.7 mod_ssl/2.2.23 OpenSEEL/0.9.8x DAV/2
22:37:26 <lolpwn> request:
22:37:26 <lolpwn> GET http://demo.whmcs.com/ HTTP/1.1
22:37:30 <lolpwn> make an educated guess what OS its running?
22:37:38 <joepie91> Windows with IIS
22:37:41 <joepie91> ;)
22:37:53 <lolpwn> demo.whmcs.com ;
22:37:53 <lolpwn> Banner: Server: Apache/2.2.23 (FreeBSD) PHP/5.4.7 mod_ssl/2.2.23 OpenSSL/0.9.8x DAV/2
22:37:53 <lolpwn> request:
22:37:53 <lolpwn> GET http://demo.whmcs.com/ HTTP/1.1
22:37:53 <lolpwn> Banner: X-Powered-By: PHP/5.4.7
22:37:53 <lolpwn> Request: GET http://demo.whmcs.com/ HTTP/1.1
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22:38:39 <lolpwn> cc joepie91
22:38:50 <lolpwn> what os you think?
22:39:18 <lolpwn> its not windows (FreeBSD)
22:46:36 <lady-3jane> 9.x
22:46:43 <wh1t3r4bb1t> i figured out this bashing shit now
22:46:50 <wh1t3r4bb1t> yay for my balls
22:46:55 <lady-3jane> since that's what we're running and our banner is similar
22:47:07 <lady-3jane> though we've got openssl 1.x from ports
22:50:03 <lolpwn> mhm
22:50:11 <lolpwn> got a few nice exploits for freebsd ;)
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22:51:08 <lady-3jane> probably
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22:51:22 <lady-3jane> are they completely remote or do they require some sort of shell
22:51:31 <lady-3jane> cause if they require shell I don't give a fuck
22:51:44 <iceTwy> xdg-open/xdg-mime & exo-open are the worst thing that have ever happened to Linuxc
22:51:46 <iceTwy> Linux*
22:51:48 <iceTwy> ffs
22:51:55 <lady-3jane> haha
22:52:12 <iceTwy> 1. can't open a magnet link even after having set up everything properly
22:52:17 <iceTwy> 2. can't open a BTC link after ... ^
22:52:35 <lady-3jane> that shit... is so hard in linux
22:52:37 <lady-3jane> :|
22:52:39 <lolpwn> they don't require shell
22:52:55 <lady-3jane> what're the exploits for, then?
22:53:13 <lolpwn> I've always wondered why they had this... http://demo.whmcs.com/status/
22:53:28 <lolpwn> mmm mysql 5
22:53:48 <iceTwy> wtf
22:53:50 <iceTwy> is it me or
22:53:59 <iceTwy> do RMS & Assange share common facial traits?
22:54:00 <iceTwy> http://i.imgur.com/nQ9lPcA.jpg
22:54:12 <iceTwy> hair, eye, beard
22:54:32 <lady-3jane> both have really sunken eyes
22:54:53 <lolpwn> FreeBSD 9.1 ftpd Remote Denial of Service + FreeBSD 9 Address Space Manipulation Privilege Escalation
22:54:56 <iceTwy> too much time spent in front of a screen kids
22:54:59 <iceTwy> DON'T DO THIS AT HOME
22:55:01 <iceTwy> :p
22:55:49 <lolpwn> lol iceTwy :)
22:56:07 <lady-3jane> ftpd? that isn't even run by default
22:56:15 <lolpwn> mhm
22:56:36 <lady-3jane> grasping at straws or something?
22:56:38 <lady-3jane> lmao
22:56:52 <lolpwn> Lmfao
22:58:29 <lady-3jane> or is there shittons of people who run ftpd by default
22:58:30 <lady-3jane> haha
22:58:48 <lolpwn> idk, some idiots do
22:59:10 <lady-3jane> I'd figure they'd be sorta smart and go with proftpd or whatever the other one was
22:59:17 <lady-3jane> one of em wasn't too shitty at security
22:59:29 <lady-3jane> not great, but ya know
22:59:33 <lolpwn> mhm.
23:00:00 * lady-3jane rages
23:00:07 <lady-3jane> transmission running makes my sound lag
23:00:32 <lady-3jane> the 4800 torrents might have something to do with it
23:01:22 <iceTwy> lol
23:01:26 <iceTwy> 4.8k torrents?
23:01:28 <iceTwy> what are you on about
23:01:50 <lady-3jane> everything?
23:02:09 <lady-3jane> as soon as I launch it, my sound lags
23:02:09 <lady-3jane> :>
23:02:26 <lady-3jane> which is usually fine but it fucks up wow inside of wine and youtube videos
23:03:41 <wh1t3r4bb1t> can you concatinate a string in bash?
23:04:10 <lady-3jane> cat
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23:10:50 <wh1t3r4bb1t> lady-3jane, when you gonna stop breaking my heart?
23:12:50 <lady-3jane> AWESOME
23:12:53 <lady-3jane> I guessed correctly
23:12:58 <lady-3jane> lower nice values are higher priority
23:13:06 * lady-3jane puts alsa at -20
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23:20:11 <lady-3jane> NP: [Tape Five - Bad Boy Good Man (feat. Henrik Wager)] [Tonight Josephine!] [916kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
23:21:00 <iceTwy> trololo
23:21:03 <iceTwy> ♪ NP @ iceTwy ♪ - nothing
23:23:16 <lolpwn> lolwut
23:27:21 <lady-3jane> still a favorite: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaiQXr2KZBc
23:27:36 <joepie91> if anyone is looking for a movie to watch
23:27:37 <joepie91> Cube
23:27:46 <lady-3jane> never looking for a movie to watch
23:27:51 * lady-3jane giggles
23:28:45 <lady-3jane> I want an encode of mardock scramble the third exhaust to come out with english subs
23:29:12 <lady-3jane> prefer 1080, too. most beautiful fuckin colors man
23:30:41 * lady-3jane watches stand up comedy on youtube
23:30:59 <joepie91> >state preference of 1080
23:31:05 <joepie91> >next line, mention watching youtube
23:32:03 <lady-3jane> your preferences are universal? there is no nuance for things you wish to be archival quality and those which aren't important to you?
23:33:13 <joepie91> lady-3jane: I kid :)
23:33:41 * lady-3jane wrinkles nose at joepie91
23:38:19 <lady-3jane> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iTVgRxVq2g
23:38:21 <lady-3jane> ^ <3
23:40:01 <wh1t3r4bb1t> ok so I thought that I had this bash script figures out but, it's still saying bitcoind is running when it isn't
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