Cryto! 13 July 2013

00:00:04 * snowy takes notes
00:00:29 <snowy> MOAR tips
00:02:23 <AnonO_o> now available in feel-o-rama
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00:54:24 <joepie91_> back
00:54:25 <joepie91_> ish
00:55:32 <joepie91_> anyone alive? MK_FG, pzuraq, AnonyOps, raymii, zxcvbnm, waflel?
00:56:45 <HiveResearch> hai joepie91_
00:57:01 <joepie91_> hai
00:57:08 <joepie91_> got temporary replacement hardware
00:57:12 <joepie91_> still need to set it up
00:57:33 <pzuraq> yo
00:57:52 <joepie91_> pzuraq: assuming you were already brought up to speed with what happened?
00:57:57 <joepie91_> if not
00:58:00 <joepie91_> loggy, pointer?
00:58:00 <loggy>
00:58:01 <pzuraq> you got raided, no?
00:58:04 <joepie91_> yes
00:58:24 <HiveResearch> IRRADIATED
00:59:32 <joepie91_> also MK_FG, I will receive mail soon with a full log of what occurred
00:59:34 <joepie91_> and people
00:59:34 <joepie91_> etc
00:59:41 <joepie91_> I do already have a list of stuff taken
00:59:48 <ryan> whatd you do
00:59:49 <ryan> again
00:59:54 <joepie91_> it will be returned as soon as possible (ie. forensic image etc)
01:00:00 <joepie91_> ryan: that's what I'm wondering about
01:00:09 <joepie91_> they have refused to provide any information about the case whatsoever
01:00:28 <joepie91_> didn't get much more than "it was ordered by the US" and a vague hint about it being re: anon
01:00:38 <HiveResearch> lol
01:00:51 <HiveResearch> and who ordered the us? Hollywood?
01:00:52 <joepie91_> also, MK_FG, this was definitely police
01:01:05 <ryan> dont you have laws against doing such there
01:01:08 <joepie91_> police, forensics, high tech crime team (basically the IT dept of dutch police)
01:01:10 <joepie91_> some officials
01:01:14 <joepie91_> and some american guy
01:01:17 <joepie91_> probably CIA or some shit
01:01:29 <HiveResearch> CIA afraid of trolls
01:01:31 <ryan> I dont think
01:01:35 <ryan> CIA is too interested
01:01:37 <joepie91_> ryan: against raids without reasons? that's what I thought
01:01:42 <HiveResearch> at least that was accomplished
01:01:50 <joepie91_> apparently not
01:01:50 <joepie91_> and well
01:01:55 <joepie91_> it was a guy from _some_ US agency
01:02:11 <ryan> I guess FBI has access to planes too
01:02:13 <HiveResearch> too bad u has no camera
01:02:40 <HiveResearch> then we can see who these fags are
01:04:14 <joepie91_> ryan: I was just naming random US agency
01:04:18 <joepie91_> he didn't identify himself
01:04:22 <ryan> yeah
01:05:15 <HiveResearch> joepie91_: i saw that game addiction video and was transfixed on Ian Bogost's eyeballs
01:05:37 <HiveResearch> but anyway
01:05:43 <HiveResearch> wtf world
01:07:42 <joepie91_> heh
01:10:08 <joepie91_> I miss the sound of my PSU :(
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01:14:56 <AnonyOps> joepie91_ I am here for a sec
01:15:22 <mmmbud> yo joe
01:15:51 <joepie91_> hai AnonyOps
01:15:54 <joepie91_> wll
01:15:59 <AnonyOps> I heard what happend D:
01:15:59 <joepie91_> guess you already got the news
01:16:00 <joepie91_> well*
01:16:04 <AnonyOps> mhm
01:16:26 <joepie91_> bright side: they DID nicely sort out all my CDs and DVDs
01:16:31 <AnonO_o> hai joe
01:16:32 <AnonyOps> lol
01:16:35 <joepie91_> and categorize them by box type
01:16:44 <joepie91_> which is awesome because I really didn't want to do that myself
01:16:45 <joepie91_> lol
01:16:45 <AnonyOps> Any idea what it would be about?...
01:16:49 <joepie91_> no idea
01:16:54 <joepie91_> something related to anon, appaerntly
01:16:58 <joepie91_> but thats all info I have
01:17:00 <AnonyOps> hm...
01:17:06 <AnonyOps> pm?
01:17:10 <joepie91_> sure
01:19:09 <AnonO_o> they found out you're the leader of anonymous?!!111one
01:19:39 <AnonO_o> interesting that they don't have to identify themselves in your dwelling
01:20:52 <joepie91_> dutch police did
01:20:54 <joepie91_> US guy didn't
01:22:08 <HiveResearch> i'm gonna move into a half way house and teach everybody to go "Who the fuck are you to each other" whenever cops come over and then let ppl get away while the cops try to understand what just happened
01:23:06 <AnonO_o> you can't do "show identification or get the fuck out of my house"?
01:23:22 <joepie91_> AnonO_o: apparently not.
01:23:56 <AnonO_o> this is going to be like the bolivian plane thing, isn't it?
01:24:13 <AnonO_o> where the US pressured them to raid you, then finds nothing
01:24:49 <AnonyOps> AnonO_o lol
01:24:59 <AnonO_o> odd that you aren't charged, but they can take your shit
01:25:02 <AnonO_o> how does that work?
01:25:13 <AnonyOps> Do you have axx to your twitter joepie?
01:25:18 <AnonO_o> we have a warrant to arrest... your stuff.
01:25:28 <AnonyOps> ^Yeah that is strange lol
01:25:37 <AnonO_o> then if we find something.. we'll be back to arrest you!
01:25:41 <HiveResearch> it's not confiscation it's funfiscation
01:25:44 <AnonO_o> fishing expedition
01:26:31 <AnonO_o> at least you didn't get tazed
01:26:37 <AnonyOps> lol
01:26:48 <AnonO_o> while on tinychat
01:26:51 <AnonO_o> while it was record
01:26:53 <AnonyOps> LOL
01:26:56 <AnonO_o> and put on youtube
01:26:58 <AnonyOps> I was just about to link that
01:27:44 <AnonyOps> I'm out though guys, will be back later.
01:29:24 <joepie91_> AnonO_o: I have no idea how this works (or doesn't) legally
01:29:29 <joepie91_> I will be discussing it with my lawyer
01:29:39 <joepie91_> to figure out whether it was even a legal raid to start with
01:29:47 <joepie91_> AnonyOps: I don't have axx to anything right now
01:29:56 <joepie91_> I _should_ have an offsite backup of all my access keys and shit
01:29:58 <joepie91_> but I forgot where
01:30:01 <joepie91_> lol
01:33:53 <AnonO_o> can't be compelled to produce what you can't remember!
01:34:14 <AnonO_o> how encrypted was your stuff?
01:35:00 <joepie91_> AnonO_o: not at all, primarily because I didn't really have anything that needed encryption
01:35:08 <joepie91_> did realize later that of course my keepass database _is_ encrypted
01:35:22 <joepie91_> (I was asked whether I had any encrypted stuff on my PC)
01:36:35 <HiveResearch> i'm gonna say no, officer i just decided one day to make a drive full of random strings
01:36:45 <HiveResearch> i might sell it to a museum
01:36:47 <AnonO_o> I prefer my answer
01:36:53 <AnonO_o> I'm a girl.. how should I know?
01:37:21 <AnonO_o> "don't delete my porn."
01:38:04 <AnonO_o> which is interesting, because... did their warrant state everything?
01:38:43 <AnonO_o> I keep reading about overreaching the warrant by 'accident' or 'guilt by association' like taking iPads and iPod touches
01:38:58 <AnonO_o> "you must like Die Antwoord too!"
01:40:57 <joepie91_> AnonO_o: they took everything that could store data, raelly
01:40:58 <joepie91_> really *
01:41:12 <joepie91_> including a few pieces of paper
01:41:13 <joepie91_> lol
01:41:21 <joepie91_> no idea what exactly was on them but it can't have been much
01:41:45 <joepie91_> they were also really confused by my portable speaker apparently
01:41:48 <joepie91_> couldn't figure out what it was
01:41:56 <joepie91_> (can't really blame them though, it doesnt look like a speaker)
01:42:37 <AnonO_o> did they take your printer?
01:42:45 <AnonO_o> cell phone?
01:43:07 <AnonO_o> because you might launch nuclear missles
01:46:04 <joepie91_> they did take my cell phone
01:46:07 <joepie91_> one of those Nokia brick phones
01:46:09 <joepie91_> (lol)
01:46:18 <joepie91_> but indicated that it'd probably be returned to me quite quickly
01:46:24 <joepie91_> because it takes virtually no time to grab data off those
01:46:53 <joepie91_> basically the idea is that they will make a forensic copy, then return stuff t ome
01:46:54 <joepie91_> to me *
01:47:25 <AnonO_o> because your cell phone and SMS messages that the telco already gave them isn't enough!
01:47:33 <AnonO_o> numbers
01:48:11 <AnonO_o> and the dead hookers? did they find them?
01:48:51 <joepie91_> also, for some reason
01:48:55 <joepie91_> they didn't take my old phone
01:49:04 <joepie91_> I mean, it's broken and stuff
01:49:04 <joepie91_> but still
01:49:10 <joepie91_> bit odd
01:50:33 <joepie91_> oh
01:50:36 <joepie91_> they also took like 5 floppies
01:50:37 <joepie91_> lol
01:51:19 <AnonO_o> do you have an attorney that deals with this type of stuff?
01:52:04 <joepie91_> I don't t think they were very happy when they got into my room
01:52:10 <joepie91_> and saw my shelf of CDs, DVDs, etc
01:52:24 <joepie91_> (I'm an archiving nut, I archive anything and everything... leading to piles of stuff with data on it)
01:53:07 <AnonO_o> hopefully nothing exotic
01:53:16 <joepie91_> right, I have a list of items seized here
01:53:19 <joepie91_> AnonO_o: oh, probably
01:54:48 <joepie91_> desktop, laptop, phone, harddrive, harddrive, harddrive, desktop, few usb sticks, spycam, ~30 CDs/DVDs, 5 floppies, 6 (micro)SD cards, harddrive
01:54:57 <joepie91_> and something wrapped in a newspaper according to the list
01:55:01 <joepie91_> but I have absolutely no idea what it is
01:55:15 <AnonO_o> shit.. that'll be their leg in.
01:55:26 <AnonO_o> terrorist.
01:55:28 <joepie91_> my best guess is the rubber foot of my keyboard that came off because the glue went derp, and I packed it in a bit of newspaper to prevent everything from getting sticky
01:55:29 <joepie91_> lol
01:55:36 <joepie91_> other than that, nfi
01:55:49 <joepie91_> oh, and a pile of paper
01:56:19 <joepie91_> as for CDs and DVDs, my guess is that they only took the unlabeled discs or something
01:56:21 <joepie91_> they left most behind
01:56:36 <AnonO_o> take my Windows 95 CD PLEASE
01:56:41 <joepie91_> ..
01:56:51 <joepie91_> I think they might have actually taken my OS/2 CD and floppies
01:56:52 <joepie91_> lol
01:56:55 <joepie91_> yes, OS/2
01:57:04 <AnonO_o> hahahha
01:57:57 <joepie91_> I do have to say
01:58:02 <joepie91_> these guys _did_ know what they were doing
01:58:15 <joepie91_> (had a bit of a random chat about ISPs with one of the guys while waiting)
01:58:32 <joepie91_> they generally seemed to know their things etc
01:59:54 <AnonO_o> did they say cryto is tagged?
02:05:35 <joepie91_> there was no mention of cryto and I didn't get the impression that it was related
02:05:46 <joepie91_> also, lulzy moment: the bit where they figured out I lived together with a bf in the same room
02:05:53 <joepie91_> it took a while to sink in
02:06:01 <joepie91_> "so that's not your laptop?"
02:06:05 <joepie91_> "nope"
02:06:13 <joepie91_> "so... do you live together?"
02:06:21 <joepie91_> "yes, you just pulled the other person into the living room"
02:06:28 <joepie91_> "wait, so you are in a relationship?"
02:06:35 <joepie91_> *insert stare of penny dropping*
02:06:39 <joepie91_> :P
02:07:09 <joepie91_> that was mildly amusing
02:08:05 <joepie91_> other interesting bits:
02:08:18 <joepie91_> * I opened the door and they immediately addressed me by name and apparently knew that that was me
02:08:33 <joepie91_> * the fawkes mask on the wall when you walk into the room was probably a dead giveaway as to that being my room :P
02:08:39 <AnonO_o> oh, you just fucked their investigation
02:09:18 <joepie91_> hmm?
02:09:32 <AnonO_o> they weren't expecting you!
02:09:56 <joepie91_> haha
02:09:59 <AnonO_o> having someone else involved makes it very difficult to pin things specifically on you because there's no way to prove YOU were the one doing it
02:10:00 <joepie91_> seriously though
02:10:03 <joepie91_> lol
02:10:08 <joepie91_> well
02:10:13 <joepie91_> they had a really easy way
02:10:21 <joepie91_> of figuring out whose hardware was whose
02:10:26 <joepie91_> look what accounts are logged in
02:10:39 <AnonO_o> oh you didn't even get a chance to shut the machine down?
02:10:53 <AnonO_o> power off, no hibernate!
02:13:34 <AnonO_o> my logins are mostly 'guest'
02:13:41 <AnonO_o> and delete on logout
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02:17:44 <joepie91_> AnonO_o: no
02:17:48 <joepie91_> they took my desktop live
02:17:53 <joepie91_> as in, they never shut it down
02:18:36 <joepie91_> some fancy trick with a battery and a electrical strip
02:18:37 <joepie91_> an*
02:18:40 <joepie91_> like
02:18:41 <joepie91_> powerstrip
02:18:44 <joepie91_> idk the english word
02:19:13 <joepie91_> my laptop, they seem to have shut down
02:19:28 <joepie91_> my guess is that they couldn't figure out the config and just gave up on xscreensaver
02:19:41 <joepie91_> (it's a bit of an oddly configured machine)
02:23:18 <AnonO_o> wow, that's interesting about the battery electrical strip thing
02:23:30 <AnonO_o> wonder how that works
02:28:01 <MK_FG> Hm, I thought you'd have everything reasonably encrypted/protected, but it'd indeed seem silly if they didn't ask you for pass in that case
02:29:27 <joepie91_> goddamnit, they took my DVI to VGA adaptor
02:29:28 <joepie91_> that's annoying
02:29:29 <MK_FG> Quite a new level of violation of privacy to take one's stuff like that with explicit intention to shuffle through all your offline data
02:29:46 <joepie91_> MK_FG: no point in encrypting data here, really
02:29:50 <MK_FG> Indeed
02:29:58 <joepie91_> also
02:30:08 <joepie91_> I indeed do consider this very much a violation of privacy
02:30:17 <joepie91_> I've been thinking about writing a book for a while
02:30:22 <joepie91_> and perhaps this would be a nice part o it
02:30:23 <joepie91_> of *
02:32:57 <joepie91_> btw
02:33:00 <joepie91_> AnonO_o:
02:33:03 <joepie91_> as for the elecctrical thing
02:33:11 <joepie91_> I suspect it works like an externally connected UPS
02:33:32 <joepie91_> ie. it's connected to a power strip, and the moment the power strip loses power, it turns on and 'feeds' it
02:33:50 <joepie91_> thereby keeping power on the power strip with a minor outage, short enough to not make a PC turn off
02:33:55 <joepie91_> that's my guess anyway
02:34:19 <MK_FG> I think plugging simple off-the-shelf ups into strip should do that
02:35:28 <AnonO_o> so you plug the USP into the strip with the computer while the mains are on?
02:36:05 <AnonO_o> (one of the open sockets)
02:36:21 <MK_FG> It should still drain (on-battery) UPS if you do that
02:36:22 <AnonO_o> interesting
02:37:02 <MK_FG> And it's still better to plug stuff *through* UPS even if it's not on battery, as it seem to be the best possible surge protection
02:37:17 <AnonO_o> yeh, but this was invasive
02:37:48 <MK_FG> Yeah, in this case it's definitely not a worry ;)
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02:37:50 <AnonO_o> unless the desktop was on a UPS and they took that and I'm misunderstanding
02:38:57 <MK_FG> It's actually quite nice of this raiders to go in while joepie91_ was at home
02:39:29 <joepie91_> MK_FG: can't plug in regular UPS and such while on electricity net
02:39:36 <joepie91_> it will blow the fuses
02:39:40 <MK_FG> I'd think that knowing that he might be some kind of activist, it'd be more logical to raid his house when he's out
02:39:45 <joepie91_> also
02:39:52 <joepie91_> they clearly indicated that they had no intention to bust down the door
02:40:05 <joepie91_> they came at 8AM rather than 4AM and such
02:40:06 <MK_FG> And then ask for whatever missing passwords later
02:40:09 <joepie91_> they rang the doorbell several times
02:40:11 <joepie91_> and knocked
02:40:18 <joepie91_> no shouting of 'police' either
02:40:42 <MK_FG> Yeah, nice ;)
02:40:45 <ilikeapricot> ohai joepie91_
02:40:58 <joepie91_> some things did bother me
02:40:58 <MK_FG> Fuse, hmm
02:41:03 <joepie91_> they didn't show a search warrant until later
02:41:07 <joepie91_> refused to show it straightaway
02:41:11 <joepie91_> never informed me what the raid was for
02:41:11 <joepie91_> etc
02:41:13 <joepie91_> hai ilikeapricot
02:41:37 <joepie91_> but generally I was okay with the way it was approached
02:41:40 <ilikeapricot> ur servers secure yet
02:41:51 <joepie91_> (and I suspect they know very well that this method was least likely to cause problems with me)
02:41:52 <ilikeapricot> ?
02:42:12 <joepie91_> ilikeapricot: it would be madness to answer 'yes' to that in a normal scenario (you should always assume servers aren't)
02:42:23 <joepie91_> and now that I'm raided and my keys are possible compromised...
02:42:28 <joepie91_> possibly *
02:42:42 <joepie91_> you get the idea
02:42:42 <joepie91_> :P
02:42:50 <ilikeapricot> wouldnt they be changed regularly?
02:43:17 <joepie91_> ?
02:43:28 <ilikeapricot> the encryption keys
02:43:33 <ilikeapricot> are they static?
02:43:36 <joepie91_> aside from the answer generally being no
02:43:40 <joepie91_> I don't see how that would help?
02:43:57 <ilikeapricot> if they captured logs
02:44:02 <joepie91_> ...
02:44:07 <joepie91_> why would there be passwords in logs
02:44:13 <joepie91_> wait
02:44:19 <ilikeapricot> o nvm
02:44:20 <joepie91_> I think we're talking about something different
02:44:21 <joepie91_> clarify
02:44:22 <joepie91_> :P
02:44:39 <ilikeapricot> i mean if they mitm logs
02:44:49 <ilikeapricot> had mitm logs
02:44:49 <joepie91_> how? where? who? why?
02:44:56 <ilikeapricot> from tor exit nodes
02:45:09 <ilikeapricot> feds get data from exit nods or vpns
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02:45:26 <ilikeapricot> useles because its encrypted
02:45:36 <ilikeapricot> but can now be unencrypted
02:45:46 <ilikeapricot> also u should make an onion p
02:45:49 <ilikeapricot> :P*
02:47:15 <joepie91_> what  does TOR encryption have to do with my keys? ._.
02:47:26 <joepie91_> and there's no point in setting up an onion here
02:47:30 <ilikeapricot> keys = encryption keys?
02:47:34 <joepie91_> TOR isn't blocked on the other nodes
02:47:43 <joepie91_> keys = SSH keys, GPG key, keepass db,e tc
02:47:44 <joepie91_> etc *
02:48:04 <ilikeapricot> ok
02:48:35 <ilikeapricot> and the oint in setting up the onion would be extra encryption between clients to ur server
02:49:46 <MK_FG> Given that server itself is compromised, is there much point in it?
02:49:52 <joepie91_> uh, no, not really?
02:49:54 <joepie91_> ilikeapricot:
02:49:58 <joepie91_> cryto IRC supports TLS
02:50:21 <joepie91_> the point of a .onion is not to secure clients more
02:50:29 <joepie91_> it's to hide and safeguard the origin of a server
02:50:39 <joepie91_> and it implements encryption from end toe nd
02:50:41 <joepie91_> end to end *
02:50:43 <joepie91_> but so does TLS
02:50:50 <joepie91_> SSL/TLS
02:51:00 <ilikeapricot> isnt that 128 bit?
02:51:08 <ilikeapricot> and tor uses 2048
02:51:26 <MK_FG> Heheh
02:52:13 <MK_FG> ilikeapricot, You seem to be confusing totally different things together
02:52:43 <ilikeapricot> could be
02:52:47 <ilikeapricot> im no expert
02:53:23 <MK_FG> Tor uses 1024-bit RSA, TLS certs are generally generated with 2048-bit RSA keys these days
02:53:33 <MK_FG> Which still doesn't mean much wrt topic
02:53:46 <ilikeapricot> intresting
02:54:55 <MK_FG> .onion seem to have the benefit that name there is hashed key, unlike tls where you'd have to ask for key separately, and no one generally does that
02:55:28 <ilikeapricot> what do u mean exactly?
02:55:57 <MK_FG> Hence I'd say tls is more mitm-easy than .onion, but that also doesn't help much in this situation, given that it's server itself that should be considered compromised
02:56:35 <joepie91_> well, let's hope they didn't take my opensuse CD
02:56:42 <ilikeapricot> lol
02:56:48 <ilikeapricot> u use opensuse?
02:57:05 <ilikeapricot> never heard anyone say they use that before
02:58:00 <joepie91_> yes, I do
02:58:02 <joepie91_> and yes, I know
02:58:10 <joepie91_> it's awesome though
02:58:19 <ilikeapricot> im in love with debian
02:58:39 <MK_FG> I've seen a few suse people on freenode
02:59:47 <MK_FG> It's generally easier to find $specificdistro people in some $specificsoftware channel like systemd, as they generally talk about "how to use this software on distro X" there ;)
03:00:05 <joepie91_> opensuse 11.3
03:00:08 <joepie91_> not quite what I was looking for
03:00:14 * joepie91_ wonders where his 12.3 disc is
03:00:22 <joepie91_> ilikeapricot: debian is alright
03:00:26 <joepie91_> it's awesome for servers
03:00:29 <joepie91_> not so much for desktops
03:00:46 <ilikeapricot> what makes opensuse better?
03:01:08 <ilikeapricot> i just really loehowstable it is
03:01:15 <ilikeapricot> love how stable*
03:03:03 <joepie91_> opensuse 12.3 netinstaller
03:03:04 <joepie91_> yay!
03:03:09 <joepie91_> ilikeapricot: a few things
03:03:25 <joepie91_> zypper and yast are awesome (zypper is like apt but better, yast is like a full featured control panel)
03:03:39 <joepie91_> the amount of packages on offer via the package search and build service is awesome
03:03:50 <joepie91_> shit generally just works, even the more exotic stuff
03:03:59 <joepie91_> and stuff doesn't break on updates (though debian has that too)
03:04:06 <joepie91_> also, opensuse seems to put a lot more effort into media stuff
03:04:10 <joepie91_> think codecs, games, etc
03:04:24 <ilikeapricot> so they have their own repository?
03:04:27 <joepie91_> also, xfce is well integrated into opensuse
03:04:28 <joepie91_> .
03:04:34 <joepie91_> opensuse has a lot of repositories
03:04:36 <joepie91_> it's not a derivative
03:04:38 <joepie91_> it's an independent distro
03:04:43 <joepie91_>
03:04:49 <joepie91_> search for anything in the package search box at the top
03:04:49 <joepie91_> :p
03:05:05 <ilikeapricot> does wine work on it?
03:07:45 <MK_FG> Of course it does
03:08:08 <ilikeapricot> i wouldnt know, i never traveled outside of dbian derivatives
03:10:16 <MK_FG> Any major liinux distro have it packaged, and even if you happen to stumble upon one that somehow doesn't, it can be built there from source, unless it's some really weird binary-only distro for specific hardware
03:10:47 <ilikeapricot> lot of distros out there
03:10:51 <ilikeapricot> hard to find the best
03:10:59 <ilikeapricot> but i do think debian is fantastic
03:11:35 <MK_FG> Heh, with "lot of distros" there's no need to find "the best" imho - just look for "good enuff" - that's easy ;)
03:11:59 <joepie91_> ilikeapricot: yes, as does playonlinux
03:12:04 <joepie91_> also
03:12:04 <joepie91_> wtf
03:12:09 <joepie91_> I got replacement hardware
03:12:13 <joepie91_> but the DVD drive isn't working
03:12:15 <joepie91_> so I opened it up
03:12:18 <joepie91_> oh, it's not connected
03:12:22 <joepie91_> ... and there are no spare sata cables in it
03:12:23 <joepie91_> D:
03:12:34 <joepie91_> I _know_ that I have a sata cable _somewhere)
03:12:35 <joepie91_> _
03:12:37 <joepie91_> but nfi where
03:12:56 <MK_FG> Don't you have some usb sticks left?
03:13:08 <MK_FG> Should be faster than dvd anyway
03:13:19 <joepie91_> MK_FG: all seized
03:13:22 <joepie91_> anyway
03:13:27 <joepie91_> guess it's time to hook up my external drive again
03:13:28 <joepie91_> lol
03:14:47 <HiveResearch> i can't get 32 bit stuff to work because of conflict between 32bit and 64bit libs which both have to be installed wtf
03:17:19 <MK_FG> If it's simple enough stuff, you can do ldd, copy/get/build the 32b libs to some dir and run the thing with LD_LIBRARY_PATH=thatdir
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03:18:55 <joepie91_> HiveResearch: on suse, you can just install the 32 bits version alongside ;)
03:19:15 * joepie91_ does some comedic pseudo-marketing
03:19:24 <joepie91_> also, this installation is going to take a while...
03:19:32 <joepie91_> USB DVD drives are sloooow
03:19:49 <HiveResearch> Debian supposedly got multi-arch done, but no
03:20:23 <HiveResearch> I might just try SuSE out.
03:20:40 <MK_FG> Huh, pretty sure it should work on major distro like debian, too
03:20:56 <MK_FG> Packaged 32-bit stuff, I mean
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03:24:02 <joepie91_> considering making coffee while opensuse setup boots...
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03:24:25 <joepie91_> this is so excruciatingly slow
03:24:44 <MK_FG> Get usb stick from any friend or cheapest one at the nearby store! ;)
03:26:17 <MK_FG> Not sure if it's universal, but I always hated (and dreaded) the thing with dvds where they tend to "spin the wrong way" and give random errors during some long operation
03:26:36 <MK_FG> So trusting one with long installation is kinda hard
03:30:53 <joepie91_> lol, nvidia 8600GT is what is in my replacement hardware
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03:31:02 <joepie91_> hai twitchyliquid64
03:31:08 <joepie91_> MK_FG: no money for USB stick currently
03:31:17 <joepie91_> twitchyliquid64: you there?
03:32:44 <joepie91_> a core2quad with an nvidia 8600gt, unknown RAM and unknown disk space
03:32:49 <joepie91_> this seems like an odd machine
03:32:57 <AnonO_o> so you know they'll come back later today to confiscate this
03:33:07 <joepie91_> doubtful
03:33:23 <joepie91_> there would be no point in doing that
03:33:43 <MK_FG> That'd be just trolling ;)
03:34:25 <MK_FG> Might as well return to raid your fridge in that case
03:34:36 <joepie91_> 8GB of RAM
03:34:37 <joepie91_> lolwut
03:35:14 <MK_FG> Your "replacement" hw seem to be 10x more powerful than any of mine ever been ;)
03:35:28 <joepie91_> and... 15 gigs of disk?
03:35:30 <joepie91_> wat
03:35:40 <MK_FG> Heh, except that
03:36:48 <joepie91_> 37 gigs actually
03:36:50 <joepie91_> but, wtf
03:36:50 <joepie91_> lol
03:37:00 <AnonO_o> feds trolling? say it isn't so!
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03:37:24 <AnonO_o> foul language, eh?
03:37:37 <MK_FG> fe-ds
03:37:43 <joepie91_> TIL: 40 gig SATA HDDs exist
03:38:00 <joepie91_> lol
03:38:32 <joepie91_> this hardware confuses me
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04:16:16 <joepie91_> it'
04:16:23 <joepie91_> it's so quiet here!
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04:40:04 <MK_FG> :P
04:58:50 <waflel> joepie is back
04:58:59 <joepie91> yeas
04:59:00 <joepie91> yes *
04:59:23 <waflel> hey buddy
04:59:32 <waflel>
05:00:00 <waflel> woow
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05:02:24 <AnonO_o> so vox was compromised?
05:02:30 <waflel> huh?
05:02:33 <waflel> it was
05:02:35 <AnonO_o> or is the twitter stuff just noise
05:02:47 <waflel> what
05:03:00 <AnonO_o> Anon2World ‏@Anon2Earth 2m
05:03:00 <AnonO_o> #Cryto and #Vox peeps RT“@Kallista0_0: WIPE YO SHIT  << burn it run it 3x at least”
05:03:20 <waflel> rofl
05:03:24 <waflel> noise
05:04:44 <joepie91> sigh
05:04:46 <joepie91> AnonO_o
05:04:49 <joepie91> that probably relates to my raid
05:04:54 <joepie91> not sure why but okay
05:05:40 <AnonO_o> I wasn't sure why vox was involved.  I haven't been able to get on their tor server for a while.
05:05:57 <joepie91> AnonO_o in a distant past I was a vox oper
05:06:00 <joepie91> anyway
05:06:01 <joepie91>
05:06:02 <joepie91> sigh
05:06:22 <joepie91> because apparently some people need to make shit up
05:06:31 <joepie91> that, or genuine confusion with another case
05:06:37 <joepie91> but really tending towards making shit up
05:07:18 <joepie91> also, can SOMEONE tell @Kallisti and others that to verify it's really me, they should log on here and PM me with a question only I can answer?
05:07:20 <joepie91> lol
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05:11:03 <AnonO_o> done
05:11:20 <AnonyOps> hi
05:15:17 <MK_FG> joepie91, Simple attack on that auth schema might be some doppleganger hopping here and asking you the question under similar (to whoever asks on other net) nick
05:16:24 <joepie91> lol
05:16:29 <joepie91> classy
05:16:42 <joepie91> seriously though, these are usually questions that only I and the person asking know the answer to
05:16:43 <joepie91> also brb
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05:18:14 <MK_FG> Oh, I missed the "log on here" part above ;)
05:18:36 <AnonO_o> auth or gtfo :)
05:18:50 <joepie91> MK_FG: regardless, not a bad suggestion
05:18:51 <joepie91> also, back
05:18:52 <joepie91> :P
05:18:59 <MK_FG> I seem to be so bad at reading lately, wth
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05:20:04 <wh1t3r4bb1t> ello
05:20:37 <MK_FG> AnonO_o, NickServ auth is a totalitarian dystopia!
05:38:30 <HiveResearch> I am on a mission from ROM
05:38:53 <HiveResearch> A mission to download every game that exists
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05:41:58 <AnonO_o> on all platforms? since forever?
05:42:10 <AnonO_o> |     .         |
05:42:21 <AnonO_o> |                .   |
05:42:27 <AnonO_o> oops, too many spaces.
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05:52:58 <HiveResearch> AnonO_o: google GoodTools. Fathom the beholding.
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06:24:09 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Impossible
06:26:27 <wh1t3r4bb1t> loggy, gofuckyourself
06:31:57 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: wat
06:32:19 <joepie91> also brb
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06:39:32 <wh1t3r4bb1t> bored
06:39:56 <wh1t3r4bb1t> and dl all games that exist is impossible
06:41:31 <HiveResearch> just the consoles
06:41:37 <HiveResearch> i need a hobby
06:47:42 <AnonO_o> joe
06:47:44 <AnonO_o> wtf is this
06:48:07 <AnonO_o>
06:48:35 <AnonO_o> that a pretty weird association.
07:09:30 <wh1t3r4bb1t> to eat or not to eat these mushrooms...
07:15:33 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Later..
07:16:17 <wh1t3r4bb1t> gtg study the back of my eyelids.
07:16:38 <wh1t3r4bb1t> loggy, goodnight
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07:57:27 <twitchyliquid64> joepie91: yes, I am always here
08:01:46 <joepie91> twitchyliquid64: hai
08:08:25 <HiveResearch> joepie91: tell me if this isn't the clearest intro to antishock we've achieved yet
08:08:43 <HiveResearch> (i have a tendency to ramble if haven't noticed)
08:08:55 <HiveResearch>
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08:12:28 <monod> goddamn
08:14:00 <monod> nice to see you've come back joepie!
08:14:13 * monod is reading the wires
08:22:32 <joepie91> twitchyliquid64, pm
08:22:43 <joepie91> HiveResearch: currently not awake enough to read
08:22:46 <joepie91> monod; hai
08:23:00 <AnonO_o> *knock knock*
08:23:04 <AnonO_o> too soon?
08:23:09 <AnonO_o> <3 joe
08:23:40 * joepie91 throws a front door at AnonO_o
08:41:24 <monod> this is so beautiful, HiveResearch!
08:41:41 <monod> it will help fixing my derpness!
08:41:43 <monod> lulz
08:42:20 <monod> joepie91, I would not trust the replcement hw
08:51:03 <monod> is there anyone willing to tell me a survivor quick guide on how to secure one's computers (and anything else related) from raids?
08:51:16 <monod> just encryption?
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08:54:10 <HiveResearch> AnonO_o: PM
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09:29:24 <HiveResearch> AnonO_o: PM
09:30:18 <AnonO_o> monod depends on OS, and what activities you do, and how high of a risk you are to getting raided
09:32:58 <monod> AnonO_o, 1) assume that I don't care about windows (I don't use it so much, only for games and/or matlab - which exists for linux/unix too, so... mainly games only) 2) not much atm 3) not much atm
09:33:11 <monod> but I'd like to be prepared, just in case
09:33:15 <monod> that's all
09:33:23 <monod> and thanks for eventually answering
09:35:22 <HiveResearch> sometimes it's better to not encrypt your general storage and use virtual machine for shady stuff then just write random streams to the files and delete it
09:35:40 <HiveResearch> nothing to decrypt if there's no sign it ever existed
09:36:55 <monod> tell me more about the strategy of virtual machines: would those have to use a fully encrypted storage? so that *that's* the only enctypted stuff?
09:37:17 <monod> and
09:37:33 <monod> are you saying that all the sensitive data should go to a virtual machine's hdd?
09:37:38 <monod> (encrypted* hdd)
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09:40:04 <DH> ohai
09:40:05 <HiveResearch> pretty much
09:40:23 <DH> can somebody confirm Joepie91's arrest
09:40:24 <DH> ?
09:40:27 <monod> loggy, pointer?
09:40:27 <loggy>
09:40:29 <monod> DH ^
09:40:38 <monod> he's got raided
09:40:43 <monod> seized hardware
09:40:48 <HiveResearch> joepie91 is in the room lol
09:41:17 <DH> aah ok
09:41:19 <DH> jeez
09:41:20 <DH> that sucks
09:41:33 <DH> ooh fuck i need to go, appointment
09:41:45 <monod> this is a publicly logged chan tho
09:41:46 <DH> already late because i saw messages about this
09:41:47 <monod> DH
09:41:54 <DH> yeah i no, no problem
09:41:58 <DH> i was just checking
09:42:08 <DH> aight need to go
09:42:08 <DH> ttl
09:42:12 <monod> ok
09:42:13 <monod> ttl
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09:43:38 <iceTwy> hey everyone
09:43:56 <monod> hey there icey
09:44:08 <iceTwy> any news?
09:44:27 <monod> eh, just those on loggy's logs
09:44:36 <monod> not sure what you've already read
09:44:56 <iceTwy> lemem see
09:45:00 <iceTwy> LOGGY, POINTER!
09:45:05 <iceTwy> :o
09:45:08 <iceTwy> loggy, pointer
09:45:08 <loggy>
09:45:29 <iceTwy> oh joepie91 came tonight?
09:46:48 <iceTwy> lol
09:46:49 <iceTwy> 01:16:26 <joepie91_> bright side: they DID nicely sort out all my CDs and DVDs
09:51:13 <monod> lulz
09:51:26 <HiveResearch> AnonO_o: gave you some homework in Anti Shock
09:51:47 <HiveResearch> imma sleep now
09:51:50 <monod> Hi
09:51:51 <monod> oops
09:51:58 <monod> HiveResearch, PM?
09:52:05 <monod> of course go sleep though
09:52:14 <HiveResearch> make it quick
09:52:17 <HiveResearch> :)
09:52:21 <monod> lulz ok
09:55:28 <iceTwy> alright
09:55:33 <iceTwy> just read through the logs
09:55:47 <iceTwy> what's joepie91 doing atm if anyone knows? sleeping?
09:57:13 <monod> not really, or kind of
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10:06:09 <HiveResearch> AnonO_o: gave you some links also
10:17:23 <joepie91> iceTwy , pm
10:43:43 <monod> hey MK_FG, any trouble with password management systems, like Keepass?
10:46:01 <MK_FG> monod, I don't know, I just keep my list in auth.gpg file ;)
10:46:33 <MK_FG> (emacs allows to decrypt/edit/encrypt these transparently, so don't see much need for special app)
10:47:58 <monod> oh
10:48:09 <monod> can you throw at me more of that?
10:48:14 <joepie91> I am about to sleep
10:48:16 <iceTwy> monod: KeePass is cross platform though
10:48:19 <joepie91> goodnight all
10:48:21 <iceTwy> Windows/Linux/Mac/Android
10:48:23 <monod> goodnight joepie
10:48:24 <iceTwy> goodnight joepie91
10:48:26 <iceTwy> rest well
10:48:35 <joepie91> see pm, iceTwy
10:48:36 <AnonO_o> *knock knock*
10:48:44 <AnonO_o> :) nite joe <3
10:50:23 <MK_FG> monod, GnuPG PGP thing
10:50:51 <MK_FG> It allows to encrypt anything, has gpg-agent and various handy tools and features
10:51:15 <MK_FG> People say it's hard to use, but dunno, I don't think I've seen any crypto app easier ;)
10:51:31 <monod> why is gpg (and pgp) so main-stream? almost unattackable crypto?
10:51:58 <monod> and also, I've always seen GPG (and PGP) related to emails
10:51:58 <MK_FG> Not really, just sane simple, good and well-tested over time
10:52:19 <MK_FG> PGP is a standard which can have different implementations, GPG is just one of them
10:52:27 <monod> alright
10:52:57 <MK_FG> And that "simple/good" relates to gpg, not sure if I've ever seen other implementations, but fairly sure widows must have it's own ones
10:53:08 <MK_FG> ...and they might be less good, dunno ;)
10:53:18 <MK_FG> Anyway, it's simple RSA + AES, usually
10:53:43 <monod> ohhh
10:53:44 <MK_FG> But ciphers are selectable there (with selection probably limited by some rfc), like with tls
10:54:05 <MK_FG> So no surprises of any kind, simple ;)
10:54:07 <monod> rfc? what's this limit?
10:54:12 <monod> oops
10:54:14 <monod> I mean:
10:54:26 <monod> 1) rfc? what is that? 2) what about the limit?
10:54:29 <MK_FG> Well, I mean so that different PGP implementations would be interoperable
10:55:00 <MK_FG> No idea where pgp is defined, wiki probably knows
10:55:15 <monod> ok
10:55:16 <monod> got it
10:55:29 <MK_FG> Ah,
10:55:42 <monod> for example
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10:55:51 <monod> what's the main workflow when dealing with gpg files?
10:55:55 <MK_FG>
10:56:00 <MK_FG> ^^^ and there's the list
10:56:15 <monod> nice
10:56:32 <monod> "Private/Experimental algorithm" lulz
10:56:41 <monod> opens up possibilities
10:56:42 <monod> seems
10:57:14 <MK_FG> From CLI, it's usually somewhat similar to e.g. gzip
10:57:35 <MK_FG> gpg -e -r <email or key-id> <file >file.gpg
10:57:42 <MK_FG> (to encrypt)
10:57:51 <monod> 1) what's key-id?
10:57:56 <MK_FG> -a to make it base64-ascii-encoded, not binary
10:58:03 <MK_FG> -s to produce signature instead
10:58:12 <monod> argh
10:58:21 <monod> I would have to ask you what these two does :(
10:58:34 <monod> I really have no idea, but I'd like to know some day or the other
10:58:42 <MK_FG>
10:58:50 <MK_FG> (output of gpg -k here)
10:59:05 <iceTwy> monod:  hold on
10:59:10 <MK_FG> That's the keys of people and various software projects I've imported
10:59:11 <monod> iceTwy, yep
10:59:13 <iceTwy> there's a good article on Ars Technica I think.
10:59:23 <MK_FG> You can see these hashes there - that's the id's
10:59:36 <monod> oh
10:59:45 <MK_FG> But you can use mail or whatever instead with -r, as long as it identifies some unique key
10:59:50 <monod> and why do I have to put the id in the encryption process?
10:59:55 <MK_FG> (-r = --recipient)
10:59:56 <monod> is there a specific reason I mean
11:00:04 <monod> -r seen on --help, thanks :)
11:00:08 <MK_FG> You encrypt to *someone*
11:00:17 <MK_FG> So you need to have their public key
11:00:20 <monod> I'm trying and multitasking, when possible
11:00:27 <monod> oh ok
11:00:43 <monod> that's why I saw "and this is my public gpg _signature_" on various sites
11:00:47 <monod> web*sites
11:00:47 <MK_FG> And you can use it to verify whatever signatures
11:00:53 <MK_FG> Yeah
11:00:59 <monod> so signature == key-id?
11:01:05 <monod> and key-id== that hash, e.g.
11:01:07 <monod> ?
11:01:17 <MK_FG> Not really, though maybe they're called that
11:01:22 <monod> hmm
11:01:31 <MK_FG> signature is the results of "hash + rsa-sign" operation
11:01:37 <monod> argh
11:01:54 <MK_FG> But I think it's common to call public key "signature" as in "digital signature", too
11:02:00 <MK_FG> Meaning "person's id"
11:02:03 <monod> what does rsa-sign mean?
11:02:10 <MK_FG> And not "something signed by that id"
11:02:41 <iceTwy> ffs I hate Ars Technica's search bar
11:02:45 <iceTwy> it's so inaccurate
11:02:49 <MK_FG> monod, ;)
11:02:58 <monod> thanks MK_FG
11:03:15 <MK_FG> monod, Basically something like multiplying on big prime and doing mod of it, I think ;)
11:03:27 <MK_FG> Big prime being your private rsa key
11:03:43 <MK_FG> (or rather product of two)
11:03:46 <monod> thanks iceTwy too!
11:03:47 <iceTwy> monod: read this to understand GPG
11:03:48 <iceTwy>
11:03:54 <monod> argh xD
11:03:55 <monod> ok
11:04:13 <monod> MK_FG, heard about that, that is the RSA algorithm
11:04:29 <MK_FG> Yeah, used pretty much everywhere
11:04:52 <MK_FG> Would be fun day when it'll get somehow totally broken! :P
11:04:54 <monod> until so-called quantum computers
11:04:59 <MK_FG> Yeah
11:05:05 <monod> yup.
11:05:27 <monod> I feel like I have been in the "Shock" sight for much, much time
11:05:27 <MK_FG> Or maybe crypto-god djb will finally find a way to factor it on crappy cpus
11:05:36 <monod> lulzz
11:05:57 <MK_FG> Shock sight?
11:06:08 <monod> "sight" as those of rifles
11:06:34 <monod> and "Shock" is the thing that the Anti-Shock "paper" (it's on a website) fights against
11:06:51 <monod> I can't express very well at the moment because I feel in a hurry
11:07:08 <MK_FG> Oh, I'm just not familiar with that Shock meme
11:07:13 <monod> maybe because I always posticipated the "try to know how to secure your stuff FIRST"
11:07:16 <MK_FG> Will take a look
11:07:21 <monod> I have a link, wait
11:07:26 <monod> for you to read whenever you like
11:07:36 <monod>
11:07:59 <MK_FG> Thanks
11:08:09 <monod> yup
11:08:17 <monod> it seems to be a cure for me
11:08:29 <monod> "Too many things to do! Where do I start?!?!?!?"
11:08:47 <monod> I was reading it before asking these things, so I still need to finish it
11:08:57 <monod> I will do it today, if possible, since it's a rest day
11:09:25 <monod> I also have to study huge shitloads of mathematics
11:10:19 <joepie91> monod
11:10:22 <joepie91>
11:10:27 <monod> oh god
11:10:32 <monod> working while sleeping!!!!
11:10:35 <monod> :P
11:11:58 <joepie91> what are you talking about, I'm not slee-zzzzzz
11:12:34 <monod> <joepie91> I am about to sleep
11:12:35 <monod> <joepie91> goodnight all
11:12:43 <monod> :D
11:13:15 <MK_FG> His real name is Tyler Durden, he never sleeps
11:13:23 <monod> :D
11:13:33 <monod> joepie91, it just came up to my mind:
11:13:52 <monod> did your online wallets possibly get compromised too?
11:14:37 <MK_FG> I think fe-ds can steal money anytime anyway
11:14:51 <monod> hmm
11:15:00 <monod> I think you're 99.9999999999999999999% right, sadly
11:15:05 <MK_FG> Like they need any wallet keys, when they own all the institutions that hold these moneyz
11:15:08 <monod> I was thinking of bitcoins, but...
11:15:16 <MK_FG> Ah
11:15:23 <MK_FG> Yeah, except buttcoin
11:15:29 <MK_FG> (unless backdoored)
11:15:31 <monod> BUTTcoin??? XD
11:15:36 <monod> (yeah, right)
11:15:45 <iceTwy> WAT DID I VANT TOO SEY
11:15:50 <iceTwy> oyeah
11:15:50 <iceTwy> right
11:15:56 <iceTwy> MK_FG: what do you think of Codecademy
11:16:02 <iceTwy> and such websites
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11:19:30 <staticsafe> er, none of the v6 addresses work in
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11:22:34 <joepie91> staticsafe: this is a known issue
11:22:41 <joepie91> it's on the todo list
11:22:46 <joepie91> and I know, I was supposed to be sleeping
11:22:46 <staticsafe> ah alright
11:22:48 <joepie91> but have to wait for something
11:22:50 <staticsafe> :P
11:22:54 <joepie91> also, re: wallets compromised
11:22:59 <joepie91> theoretically, possibly
11:23:02 <joepie91> (but probably not)
11:23:07 <joepie91> in practice, if they take anything they're fucked
11:28:25 <MK_FG> Or, you know, they just say that you're affiliated with some terrorist org like anons and/or wikileaks and "sieze" your shits anyway ;)
11:28:49 <MK_FG> Plus prolly lock you up for aiding and abetting ;)
11:29:21 <MK_FG> (not much serious, it's a tinfoil-hat thing)
11:29:50 <MK_FG> iceTwy, Seen it mentioned a few times, but never looked at what it is somehow ;)
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11:31:05 <monod> love the way xchat loads before gnome-panel :)
11:31:09 <monod> anyway, the pc
11:31:11 <monod> just froze
11:31:16 <iceTwy> derp
11:31:18 <iceTwy> xchat is old monod
11:31:19 <MK_FG> iceTwy, Looked, meh, not sure who's the target audience
11:31:21 <iceTwy> switch to HexChat
11:31:29 <iceTwy> MK_FG: not experienced dev's haha
11:31:42 <monod> really derp. Oh, I'll try that! iceTwy
11:31:52 <monod> and now there's lunch awaiting for me :3
11:31:56 <MK_FG> It seems that if one's interested in coding, they'll don't need such hand-holding...
11:32:03 <monod> I also lost all my firefox windows *rage*
11:32:07 <MK_FG> s/'ll//
11:32:45 <MK_FG> But if not, and one just need to learn to code for a boring job, maybe some offline certification would be better
11:33:04 <MK_FG> As it'll give some "legit coder" diploma for enterprise programming
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11:33:20 <MK_FG> Not some hip badges from codecademy ;)
11:33:40 <MK_FG> But dunno, I'm obviously not the target audience, easy for me to judge ;)
11:37:40 <MK_FG> iceTwy, Just noticed your hl wrt - it's been a bit more awesome (and a bit less in diffn't way) a few years ago, when they weren't that popular yet
11:37:57 <iceTwy> well
11:38:01 <iceTwy> they have everything I want
11:38:03 <iceTwy> lol
11:38:09 <MK_FG> These days a lot of content there gets removed, reallly lot compared
11:38:16 <iceTwy> oh?
11:38:33 <MK_FG> Like, you can't find any popular windows software there anymore, latest movies, etc
11:38:44 <MK_FG> But such pop content is trash anyway ;)
11:39:00 <MK_FG> They were less awesome in that they enforced seed rate
11:39:39 <MK_FG> Gave something like 2-gigs-grace, I think, and if rate drops below 0.3, they forbid leeching
11:39:59 <MK_FG> But that was lifted like a year ago, iirc
11:44:30 <iceTwy> meh
11:44:36 <iceTwy> I miss my old ratio on Demonoid
11:44:40 <iceTwy> it was something like
11:44:46 <iceTwy> 25:1
11:45:55 <MK_FG> Yea, demonoid was nice
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12:01:10 <monod> backkk
12:01:18 <monod> loggy, pointer?
12:01:18 <loggy>
12:01:24 <monod> loggy, thanks
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12:05:53 <monod> wb ice
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12:09:48 <monod> hate xchat now
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12:13:22 <monod> got to reinstall it.
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12:39:45 <monod> reputation of this website?
12:43:21 <MK_FG> Heheh
12:43:36 <MK_FG> It's HN, same thing as reddit these days
12:44:31 <ryan> no its not
12:44:36 <ryan> THN is ran by some indian kid
12:44:44 <ryan> who doesnt have any idea what hes talking about
12:44:58 <ryan> On a scale of 0 to 10 that site is at about -5
12:45:16 <MK_FG> Oh, crap, indeed ;)
12:45:27 <MK_FG> I fell for a phishing attack, apparently
12:45:42 <MK_FG> (was thinking of, of course)
12:49:18 <monod> so is total bullshit?
12:49:27 <ryan> ya
12:50:00 <MK_FG> yeap
12:50:23 <monod> ok, I'll tell my mom then xD
12:50:36 <monod> she entered into the room ans asked me if I wanted to give it a look :D
12:50:39 <monod> I have a geek mother
12:50:47 <monod> lulz
12:52:06 <monod> test:
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12:52:11 <MK_FG> She probably also thought or heard of "Hacker News" and found that site somehow, instead of one true HN
12:52:16 monod (~pmpf@monod.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc
12:52:36 <monod> succeed.
12:53:29 <monod> HTML5 enabled on firefox without cookies (but needs greasemonkey)
12:53:41 <monod> found on iceTwy's webzite
12:53:59 <iceTwy> :P
12:54:02 <iceTwy> ya
12:54:04 <iceTwy> i love HTML5
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12:58:14 <Power2All> mmm anybody seen joepie ?
12:58:17 <Power2All> joepie91
12:58:20 * Power2All pokes joepie91
12:59:12 <MK_FG> loggy, pointer?
12:59:12 <loggy>
12:59:17 <MK_FG> Power2All, ^^^
12:59:32 <MK_FG> (he's been around a few hours ago)
13:00:13 <Power2All> Ah ok
13:00:20 <Power2All> Since I read that someone got arrested
13:00:22 <Power2All> in Dordrecht
13:00:26 <Power2All> With a very known name.. Sven..
13:00:42 <Power2All>
13:01:17 <ryan> illegal
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13:01:43 <iceTwy> Sven Slootweg
13:01:43 <iceTwy> is his name
13:01:47 <Power2All> Yah
13:01:47 <iceTwy> so this is the article yes
13:01:49 <iceTwy> omg lemme read it
13:01:53 <Power2All> Have fun.
13:02:00 <Power2All> Seems they took a shitton of stuff from him.
13:02:14 <iceTwy> What?
13:02:16 <iceTwy> Wtf
13:02:19 <monod>
13:02:20 <owlz> all the equipment in his house from what i read
13:02:21 <Power2All> Yep
13:02:23 <iceTwy> Wait
13:02:27 <monod> tried and translated by google ^
13:02:32 <iceTwy> The article features logs from THIS chat
13:02:33 <iceTwy> LOL
13:02:35 <owlz> desktop, laptop, external HD, usb sticks
13:02:36 <ryan> cyberterrorism
13:02:45 <Power2All> The Dutch anti cybercrime unit
13:02:47 <Power2All> of the Netherlands
13:02:59 <ryan> card fertilizer
13:03:03 <iceTwy> So it's Lulzsec stuff then?
13:03:09 <Power2All> Thats what they saying.
13:03:12 <iceTwy> When joepie was actually never a part of lulzsec
13:03:17 * iceTwy facepalms
13:03:17 <Power2All> Yah
13:03:35 <ryan> iceTwy: affiliation?
13:03:40 <Power2All> Joepie always told me he stayed away from Lulzsec.
13:03:46 <monod> true
13:03:48 <Power2All> So Im taking his word for the moment.
13:03:49 <iceTwy> yup
13:03:56 <iceTwy> also lol
13:03:58 <ryan> logs say kind of the opposite
13:04:08 <Power2All> ryan: Logs can be modified.
13:04:09 <iceTwy> the name of the article was translated to
13:04:18 <owlz> basically he used to hang in #pure-elite or whatever
13:04:20 <ryan> and the article does not exactly state that he was raided because of lulzsec
13:04:22 <iceTwy> "NCIS diarrhea house Lulzsec member"
13:04:23 <owlz> doesn't make him a member
13:04:30 <ryan> Power2All: of course
13:04:37 <monod> guys, I didn't know how to tell you all with safety, but.. I didn't believe that joepie now logged in is the real joepie...
13:04:37 <Power2All> I hang around in illegal places too, but does that make me a hacker ?
13:04:42 <ryan> but all the copious amounts of logs that were released
13:04:42 <Power2All> Just being in a channel doesn't say shit.
13:04:47 <ryan> must've been fake
13:05:13 <Power2All> Well
13:05:14 <Power2All> it depends
13:05:19 <Power2All> Is he always using adsl ?
13:05:19 <owlz> which logs? were they the laurelai bailey logs?
13:05:28 <monod> Power2All, does not mean anything
13:05:39 <ryan> cool
13:05:42 <Power2All> monod: Well, thats one thing to scratch out.
13:05:42 <ryan> kerpia is still linked
13:05:45 <Power2All> But he has been, arrested.
13:05:56 <Power2All> Oh wait
13:05:58 <Power2All> not arrested
13:06:01 <Power2All> only house searching
13:06:18 <Power2All> This connection might be another computer.
13:06:23 <Power2All> That the police didn't "spot"
13:06:32 <monod> Power2All, he got a replacement hardware
13:06:36 <Power2All> Ah ok
13:06:39 <monod> (he said)
13:06:46 <Power2All> Been a long time ago I went to any anon-related IRC
13:06:52 <iceTwy> ^
13:06:53 <Power2All> Been out of the whole anonops bullshit since
13:06:53 <monod> with pretty high specs too xD
13:06:54 <Power2All> a year.
13:07:05 <Power2All> more then a year I think.
13:07:12 <monod> sad to hear.
13:07:15 <Power2All> Not really.
13:07:20 <Power2All> Have a lot of other shit to do right now.
13:07:20 <iceTwy> not really, no
13:07:24 <Power2All> Been to Czech last week
13:07:25 <owlz> i stopped using anonops once i stopped using a shell account
13:07:32 <Power2All> :P
13:07:33 <ryan> anonops
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13:07:40 <ryan> is even funnier
13:07:42 <ryan> than it used to be
13:07:52 <Power2All> Meh I dont care.
13:07:52 <owlz> iwanted an extra bnc between my vpn and any of their servers
13:07:57 <Power2All> Before I left AnonOps, it was good.
13:08:00 <ryan> could probably own them again
13:08:03 <Power2All> Now it's filled with stupid kids.
13:08:05 <ryan> they're retarded
13:08:29 <iceTwy> "zomg we gun ddos morsi's gvt webzite!!"
13:08:32 <Power2All> tbh, I don't really give a crap.
13:08:45 <owlz> i just wish we knew why the raid happened
13:08:51 <owlz> even the smallest hint
13:08:59 <Power2All> owlz: Suspicion he was involved with Lulzsec
13:09:02 <Power2All> Thats what has been explained.
13:09:10 <owlz> yeah but come on, all this time later?
13:09:20 <Power2All> Yah well, good question.
13:09:24 <Power2All> But nobody will answer it
13:09:24 <Power2All> ;)
13:09:25 <owlz> US authorities must have been aware of the link
13:10:13 <Power2All> So, how fucked up has anonymous become lately ?
13:10:20 <Power2All> I only hear noises about stupid kids and stuff
13:10:21 <Power2All> xD
13:10:22 <monod> NCIS??
13:10:31 <Power2All> monod: Bad translation xD
13:10:34 <monod> oh ok
13:10:36 <Power2All> Dutch anti-cybercrime.
13:10:38 <iceTwy> yeah monod
13:10:38 <iceTwy> lol
13:10:38 <monod> really bad XDD
13:10:42 <iceTwy> the funniest bit is
13:10:51 <iceTwy> ""NCIS diarrhea house Lulzsec member""
13:10:56 <monod> hahahahaha
13:10:58 <monod> sorry guys xD
13:11:01 <iceTwy> I assume that diarrhea = raid
13:11:02 <iceTwy> lol
13:11:17 <owlz>
13:11:20 <owlz> lol
13:11:31 <owlz> anyway ^^ he has a public page up about it ffs
13:11:42 <iceTwy> owlz: hacker =/= cracker
13:12:00 <monod> clearly
13:12:01 <monod> .
13:12:16 <owlz> agreed
13:12:27 <iceTwy> okay then
13:12:34 <iceTwy> joepie will show this if he's questioned
13:12:35 <owlz> and also presence in an irc channel doesn't make you complicit in crimes
13:12:36 <iceTwy> and boom
13:12:37 <iceTwy> in yo face
13:12:40 <Power2All> ..
13:12:43 <Power2All> Not this again
13:12:49 <Power2All> Crackers make hacks for apps
13:12:53 <Power2All> Hackers are 3 categories
13:12:55 <Power2All> black hat
13:12:57 <Power2All> white hat
13:12:58 <Power2All> gray hat
13:13:03 <Power2All> xD
13:13:04 <monod> and grey hat :D
13:13:09 <monod> ok, nevermind.
13:13:12 <Power2All> 99 shades of gray
13:13:12 <Power2All> SURE
13:13:13 <monod> lulz
13:13:13 <Power2All> xD
13:13:18 <monod> anyway
13:13:24 <monod> what are we talking about??
13:13:28 <Power2All> Dont know
13:13:30 <monod> yeah
13:13:31 <Power2All> xD
13:13:36 <monod> that's not good for anyone
13:13:43 <Power2All> I know a nice subject
13:13:46 <Power2All> I made a new DJ set :P
13:13:47 <AnonO_o> o/ p2a!
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13:13:53 <Power2All> Hey AnonO_o
13:13:56 <Power2All>
13:13:57 <Power2All> xD
13:14:44 <Power2All> Played this live at the event
13:14:46 <Power2All> xD
13:14:59 <ryan> you like worse music than xero
13:15:04 <Power2All> Fuck xero
13:15:07 <Power2All> and fuck you for hating my music
13:15:09 <Power2All> fucker the fuck fuck
13:15:16 <Power2All> xD
13:15:31 <ryan> and I was gonna hire you to dj @ htpcon
13:15:33 <ryan> i guess not
13:15:40 <Power2All> lol HTP xD
13:15:42 <Power2All> That still exist ?
13:16:26 <ryan> not really
13:16:33 <ryan> it died pretty recently
13:16:36 <Power2All> Ehh
13:16:39 <Power2All> k
13:16:40 <ryan> as it was discovered im an fbi informant
13:16:45 <Power2All> Right.
13:16:50 <ryan> who would have known
13:16:54 <ryan> the finnish fbi
13:16:54 <ryan> was
13:16:57 <ryan> surveilling htp
13:16:58 <Power2All> Why would I want to know.
13:16:58 <ryan> all the time
13:17:13 <Power2All> You dont need to spy.
13:17:13 <ryan> of course you want to know
13:17:17 <Power2All> They got PRISM for that.
13:17:20 <Power2All> So your useless
13:17:21 <Power2All> xD
13:17:27 <iceTwy> ^
13:21:02 <mama> hello Power2All  
13:21:13 <MK_FG> Maybe fe-ds are shaking all the techies for docs snowden unloaded before rendering unto putin? ;)
13:21:40 <MK_FG> (as one of the conditions was that he'll stfu)
13:22:09 <Power2All> Hey mama
13:22:27 <Power2All> Snowden is in Russia anyway
13:22:29 <mama> :)
13:22:58 <MK_FG> Shouldn't prevent him sending stuff to some cypherpunk before going red
13:24:22 <iceTwy> if Snowden gave everything to Wikileaks
13:24:25 <iceTwy> well wait
13:24:32 <iceTwy> Snowden's already given everything to the Guardian & etc
13:24:32 <iceTwy> no?
13:24:42 <MK_FG> No idea!
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13:42:59 <monod> MK_FG, iceTwy: I discovered I mispelled the server's name and didn't know anything about the BOSH server
13:43:11 <iceTwy> what server?
13:43:13 <monod> now I have another error message: "You require encryption, but it is not available on this server."
13:43:16 <monod> xmpp
13:44:17 <HiveResearch> so someone who fails at not logging 16G of IRC or whatever it was came in here to talk about details they have no fucking idea about - seems legit officer, can i have some candy
13:45:01 <monod> who are you referring to?
13:45:03 <monod> HiveResearch,
13:45:15 <iceTwy> ah, monod
13:45:22 <iceTwy> then this server sucks >_>
13:45:25 <iceTwy> register somewhere else
13:45:27 <monod> lulz
13:45:43 <monod> hope I can delete my account there
13:45:48 <iceTwy> probably
13:46:47 <MK_FG> Oh, I thought you were setting up xmpp server ;)
13:47:01 <MK_FG> Disregard that thing about srv records then
13:47:26 <monod> oooooh god
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13:47:36 <monod> that's why I didn't understand anything at all, MK_FG  XDD
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13:48:03 <monod> hi zest
13:48:07 <MK_FG> Well, you said "I can't get it running :@"
13:48:24 <monod> wrong english expression maybe
13:48:25 <monod> :(
13:48:49 <MK_FG> I somehow associate "running" with servers in internet-context ;)
13:49:01 <MK_FG> (or services, but not clients for some reason)
13:49:15 <monod> maybe "launching" might be more accurate?
13:49:16 <MK_FG> So got desynchronized after that first line ;)
13:49:19 <monod> haha
13:49:33 <MK_FG> Connecting? "Setting up" maybe...
13:49:53 <monod> alright
13:50:23 <MK_FG> It's just my bug anyway, someone else might think "setting up" should only refer to server-side too ;)
13:50:30 <MK_FG> So nevermind, happens
13:50:48 <MK_FG> I'm a bit busy coding some foolscap api thing anyway
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13:51:07 <monod> ok.
13:51:08 <Power2All> There.
13:51:13 <Power2All> Applied japanese unicode settings
13:51:14 <Power2All> :)
13:55:22 * iceTwy runs MK_FG
13:55:26 <iceTwy> yahoo
13:56:53 <MK_FG> Maybe one day when they'll learn to scan brains, that's what you'd do
13:58:01 <iceTwy> well
13:58:04 <iceTwy> MRI maybe
13:58:05 <iceTwy> MK_FG: ^
13:58:18 <monod> xmpp working!
13:58:21 <monod> (client)
13:59:21 <monod> anyone willing to add me on xmpp, please PM me with yours!
13:59:32 <monod> iceTwy, MK_FG ^ if you want!
14:02:34 <MK_FG> Busy!
14:03:17 <monod> yeah, sorry
14:03:25 <monod> I remembered it too late
14:15:08 <HiveResearch> AnonO_o: I'm around today if you want to decelop that thing
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14:36:58 <iceTwy> Codecademy is retarded
14:36:59 <iceTwy> really
14:38:20 <Ari> why so?
14:38:42 <Power2All> I need to work on new features for AniRena.
14:38:50 <Power2All> But im so fucking lazy to do any PHP coding :<
14:39:03 <Power2All> Tweaked MySQL.
14:39:15 <Power2All> But what you expect handling 200 connections per second
14:39:16 <Power2All> to MysQL
14:39:16 <Power2All> xD
14:39:25 <Power2All> Got 10 VPS's
14:39:29 <Power2All> one in HongKong
14:39:32 <Power2All> 8 in DE
14:39:42 <Power2All> and 1 in NL
14:39:43 <Power2All> :P
14:39:49 <iceTwy> ah, nvm.
14:39:56 <Power2All> mm ?
14:40:03 <iceTwy> <iceTwy> Codecademy is retarded
14:40:04 <iceTwy> <iceTwy> really
14:40:05 <iceTwy> ^ nvm
14:40:12 <Power2All> What is it anyway
14:40:25 <iceTwy>
14:40:31 <Power2All> I love my BitTorrent scraper.
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14:40:42 <Power2All> [SCRIPT] Getting data from URL ...
14:40:42 <Power2All> [SCRIPT] Hitting 10 records, sending request to announce server ...
14:40:42 <Power2All> [DEBUG] output has a size of 437
14:40:44 <Power2All> xD
14:40:50 <Xeross_> Afternoon
14:40:57 <Power2All> Heya
14:41:53 <Power2All> Thats a long time ago Xeross_ :)
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14:42:41 <Xeross_> my ZNC isn't the best when it comes to being able to connect to cryto
14:42:52 <Xeross_> And well considering the news on today, I figured I'd pay a visit
14:42:53 <iceTwy> Power2All: what language is it?
14:43:11 <Power2All> PHP
14:43:14 <Power2All> in CLI
14:43:23 <Power2All> Using classes and everything.
14:43:47 <iceTwy> hmkay
14:43:49 <Power2All> If the script takes 30 minutes or longer, it auto-exit to prevent stuck up
14:44:01 <Power2All> But normally it's done in 15 minutes.
14:44:21 <iceTwy> what does it do?
14:44:24 <Power2All> Basically, every hour it checks for updates.
14:44:27 <Power2All> If you go to
14:44:31 <Power2All> Click on a torrent name
14:44:44 <Power2All> You see Foreign Announces
14:44:47 <Power2All> Thats what it deals with
14:44:53 <Power2All> Showing those stats.
14:46:13 <Power2All> And yah, I use NGINX
14:46:14 <Power2All> for everything.
14:46:17 <Power2All> Fuck Apache xD
14:46:21 <iceTwy> lawl
14:46:40 <Power2All> Like it ? :)
14:46:59 <iceTwy> too many animes
14:47:00 <iceTwy> :P
14:47:15 <iceTwy> I remember reading mangas when I was younger lol
14:47:20 <iceTwy> naruto
14:47:21 <iceTwy> lmao
14:47:23 <Power2All> I still do
14:47:30 <Power2All>
14:47:38 <Power2All>
14:47:40 <Power2All> This is good shit
14:47:47 <Power2All>
14:47:50 <Power2All> For some fapfap
14:47:59 <Power2All>
14:48:01 <Power2All> ^^
14:52:32 <iceTwy> :P
14:56:25 <Power2All> Its funny
14:56:32 <Power2All> Im searching for a new job atm.
14:56:39 <Power2All> And at every company I check their site, I see they fucked up.
14:56:43 <Power2All> Showing the PHP version
14:56:46 <Power2All> or Apache version.
14:56:49 <Power2All> It's ridiculous xD
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14:58:49 <iceTwy> How old are you Power2All
14:58:52 <iceTwy> if you don't mind meh asking
14:58:56 <Power2All> 30 right now ;)
14:59:04 <iceTwy> okaaaayito
14:59:09 <Power2All> How so ?
14:59:14 <Power2All> Dont believed I was the real Power2All ?
14:59:15 <Power2All> xD
15:00:25 <iceTwy> Nah
15:00:26 <iceTwy> Just wondered
15:00:31 <iceTwy> Cause you're looking for a job
15:00:32 <iceTwy> ^^
15:00:45 <Power2All> ah
15:00:49 <Power2All> Meh, Im a allrounder
15:00:57 <Power2All> Say tell me
15:01:01 <Power2All>
15:01:06 <Power2All> Do you notice any "fail" there
15:01:07 <Power2All> ;)
15:01:19 <Power2All> Server Apache/2.2.14
15:01:22 <Power2All> Just saying xD
15:01:49 <Power2All> Lots of wanna-be admins that fuck up their security badly.
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15:03:05 <Xeross> Really need to fix that ZNC >.<
15:03:16 <ryan> are you
15:03:18 <ryan> trying to imply
15:03:22 <ryan> you have an apache cero dia Power2All
15:03:24 <Power2All> Xeross: lawl
15:03:29 <Power2All> ryan: A what ?
15:03:55 <Power2All> Oh you mean a 0day ?
15:04:15 <Power2All> I dont deal with hacking, I deal with fixing my shit against hacking.
15:04:44 <Power2All> And hiding your webserver version is something you basically do at the start.
15:04:54 <Power2All> Lots of companies don't give a shit if their version is open to the public.
15:04:59 <Power2All> Is just asking for problems xD
15:06:48 <iceTwy> just update your version
15:06:48 <iceTwy> derp
15:06:52 <ryan> fingerprinting apache is trivial anyways
15:09:43 <Power2All> True.
15:09:56 <Power2All> But still, Apache has a lot of.. yah, resource eating shit.
15:10:07 <Power2All> NGINX handles stream transfers much easier then Apache.
15:10:25 <ryan> nginx handles everything much better than apache
15:10:29 <iceTwy> a lotta websites use nginx nowadays
15:12:48 <Power2All> Yep
15:12:51 <Power2All> PHP-FPM <3
15:13:22 <ryan> Why would you want to run PHP? Thats just horrible
15:14:07 <Power2All> It works fine sofar I know ;)
15:14:12 <Power2All> Better then,,,, Java..
15:14:14 <Power2All> or MS shit.
15:18:12 <Xeross> Python > PHP
15:18:15 <iceTwy> ^
15:18:18 <Xeross> And well Ruby is nice, but dat memory usage
15:18:31 <iceTwy> I was about to say that you should've written your program in Python Power2All
15:18:31 <iceTwy> :p
15:18:43 <Xeross> I myself run PHP under uWSGI together wih my Ruby and Python apps, can't really get away from PHP when you have clients running wordpress
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15:30:06 <Power2All> yah well
15:30:11 <Power2All> I dont know much about Python.
15:30:17 <Power2All> Im actually more interested in C and C++
15:35:22 <IR601> i know html!
15:43:28 <iceTwy> good IR601
15:43:29 <iceTwy> good
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15:49:53 <waflel> sup pmaddux
15:49:54 <waflel> maddux
15:49:57 <waflel> fix vox
15:49:59 <maddux> hey
15:50:20 <maddux> itll probably be back under new management soon
15:50:25 <waflel> oh?
15:50:28 <maddux> anyway, any news from joe?
15:50:31 <waflel> nah
15:50:36 <waflel> Power2All, zomg
15:50:39 <waflel> are you the real p2a?
15:50:48 <waflel> if so, pm pm pm pm pm
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15:53:37 <asdf> sup maddux
15:53:39 <asdf> been a while
15:53:49 <maddux> yeah. i usually don't come here
15:54:17 <asdf> same
16:00:47 <Power2All> ?
16:00:55 <Power2All> Yah Im the real p2a
16:01:00 <Power2All> xD
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16:15:02 <asdf> still doing karioke?
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16:23:13 <iceTwy> so I'm learning JS right
16:23:14 <iceTwy> on codecademy
16:23:15 <iceTwy> this is fun
16:23:46 <iceTwy>
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16:25:51 <staticsafe> is codeacademy actually useful for learning languages?
16:26:51 <iceTwy> yeah
16:26:56 <iceTwy> I mean
16:27:00 <iceTwy> I suppose
16:27:08 <iceTwy> btw
16:27:09 <iceTwy> if (userChoice !== ("rock" || "paper" || "scissors"))
16:27:11 <iceTwy> is wrong
16:27:22 <iceTwy> if I type paper it still says it's an incorrect value
16:27:24 <iceTwy> when it shouldn't be
16:31:01 <maddux> paranthesis look funny. no javascript guy here but did you try
16:31:03 <maddux> if(userChoice !== "rock" || userChoice !== "paper" || userChoice !== "scissors"){ userChoice = prompt("Please choose either rock, paper, or scissors.");
16:31:18 <iceTwy> hmm
16:31:21 <iceTwy> lemme try that
16:39:41 <Xeross> Guess Joepie is still asleep
16:43:47 <iceTwy> maddux: thanks but
16:43:55 <iceTwy> the right operator was &&
16:43:58 <iceTwy> not || (or)
16:44:03 <iceTwy> ;)
17:13:33 <maddux> that's why i don't do javascript :)
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17:16:06 <iceTwy> maddux: result:
17:16:09 <iceTwy> ohai lady-3jane
17:16:29 <lady-3jane> allo :D
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17:17:14 <iceTwy> ohai
17:17:21 <iceTwy> lady-3jane: I've been learning JS today
17:17:21 <iceTwy>
17:17:33 <lady-3jane> Oh? :D
17:17:48 <lady-3jane> Our company channel got taken over on efnet :|
17:18:08 <maddux> did you have scores?
17:18:12 <maddux> try #operserv
17:18:13 <lady-3jane> Krashed decided he wanted it and ddos'd nagisa to get it
17:18:22 <maddux> lol krashed is still around?
17:18:22 <lady-3jane> I dunno
17:18:24 <lady-3jane> yes
17:18:26 <maddux> isn't he bit old to playkiddie
17:18:34 <lady-3jane> pretty much, yeah
17:18:51 <lady-3jane> It's pretty much just a dick move more than anything
17:18:55 <lady-3jane> didn't take any effort
17:19:20 <lady-3jane> sue might have scores, I haven't had ops in a while
17:19:40 <lady-3jane> but the box he's trying to take the server back from just gets ddos'd again
17:19:41 <maddux> well ask in #operserv for help. if someone had scores they can manually fix
17:19:43 <lady-3jane> so he gave up trying
17:19:48 <maddux> no wait
17:19:49 <maddux> #chanfix
17:19:51 <maddux> d'oh
17:20:00 <lady-3jane> again, doesn't matter if the bot's box gets ddos'd
17:20:00 <lady-3jane> lol
17:20:10 <maddux> well scores will remain for a while
17:20:11 <lady-3jane> he fought for a day and gave up
17:20:11 <lady-3jane> lol
17:20:36 <lady-3jane> we don't have a place with free bandwidth and wide pipes to just eat it
17:20:56 <maddux> was it used by public a lot?
17:21:03 <lady-3jane> no
17:21:10 <maddux> just make a new channel then :p
17:21:18 <lady-3jane> we did, but sue switched nets
17:21:30 <lady-3jane> we're on rizon now, which makes me want to kill myself just connecting to
17:21:35 <lady-3jane> actively worse than efnet
17:21:43 <maddux> never was on rizon i think
17:21:47 <maddux> why not freenode?
17:21:53 <lady-3jane> I don't know
17:22:05 <lady-3jane> because sue is retarded or something
17:22:06 <lady-3jane> lol
17:22:09 <maddux> has services, so takeovers are lessof a problem
17:22:47 <lady-3jane> yeah that's why he went to rizon
17:22:54 <lady-3jane> but I hate rizon
17:23:00 <lady-3jane> I don't think he remembers that
17:23:01 <lady-3jane> :/
17:23:08 <ryan> efnet master race
17:23:11 <lady-3jane> yes
17:23:21 <lady-3jane> you're welcome to take my channel back, ryan
17:23:22 <lady-3jane> lol
17:23:33 <ryan> ok
17:23:35 <ryan> how many people are there
17:23:39 <lady-3jane> 2
17:23:45 <ryan> ok
17:23:52 <lady-3jane> krashed_ and jason___
17:24:33 <ryan> channel name
17:24:43 <lady-3jane> #hh
17:25:31 <lady-3jane> hmm, now I need a box to hold it
17:27:14 * lady-3jane grumbles
17:27:19 <lady-3jane> I have no access to the fancy box D:
17:27:24 * lady-3jane kekekes
17:28:05 <ryan> I doubt krashed will be able to do anything if you're on ipv6
17:28:19 * lady-3jane nods
17:28:25 <lady-3jane> new box has ipv6, too
17:28:30 * lady-3jane bothers sue
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17:29:08 <ryan> even though
17:29:12 <ryan> krashed is on ipv6 I think
17:29:17 <ryan> so I doubt hes gonna go anywhere from there
17:29:28 <lady-3jane> :>
17:29:34 <ryan> cant you just
17:29:34 <ryan> get it back
17:29:38 <ryan> with chanfix
17:29:52 <lady-3jane> yeah, but then he ddos's whoever gets the op back
17:29:55 <iceTwy> this is annoying
17:30:06 <lady-3jane> that was the issue we ran into lol
17:30:08 <iceTwy> I have this .gif that I put on the same page as my JS game
17:30:09 <ryan> well go there
17:30:13 <ryan> and use chanfix
17:30:13 <iceTwy> and because the script loads too quickly
17:30:15 <ryan> and op some ipv6
17:30:17 <iceTwy> the gif can't play in the background
17:30:18 <iceTwy> watdo
17:30:28 <lady-3jane> workin on ipv6 box
17:30:38 <lady-3jane> our hostbox has it
17:30:45 <lady-3jane> but I've got no axx
17:35:32 <AnonyOps>
17:35:38 <AnonyOps> Article about the raid
17:36:38 <maddux> hey AnonyOps
17:36:43 <AnonyOps> hi
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17:39:23 <monod> hello
17:39:33 <ryan> lady-3jane: well jasons gone
17:42:06 <maddux> AnonyOps: j?
17:42:19 <AnonyOps> What?
17:42:34 <maddux> teh jabberz
17:43:03 <AnonyOps> I have no idea what you're talking about lol
17:43:18 <maddux> oh. i guess i am mistaking you with someone else then
17:43:19 <maddux> nvm
17:47:22 <AnonyOps> lol alright
17:47:39 <lady-3jane> haha I'm banned on #chanfix wat
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17:50:22 <lady-3jane> hmm our chan was reg'd on freenode in 2006
17:50:27 <lady-3jane> and hasn't been used since then
17:50:33 <lady-3jane> but since they don't expire regs...
17:50:48 <lady-3jane> -ChanServ- Information on #hh:
17:50:48 <lady-3jane> -ChanServ- Registered : Aug 12 22:06:03 2006 (6 years, 48 weeks, 0 days, 21:43:42 ago)
17:50:49 <lady-3jane> -ChanServ- Last used  : (about 345 weeks ago)
17:56:39 <AnonO_o> doot doot doot
17:57:01 <AnonO_o> HiveResearch, I got roseanne involved in my little op
17:57:21 <maddux> barr?
17:57:31 <AnonO_o> yus
17:57:41 <maddux> GMO related?
17:57:46 <AnonO_o> on my twitter
17:57:54 <AnonO_o> no, asshole related.
17:58:06 <AnonO_o> made a coathanger joke
17:58:06 <maddux> oO
17:58:23 <AnonO_o> after sb2 passed.  thought he was witty.
17:58:50 <AnonO_o> now he's regretting it but ego is too huge to admit it
17:58:57 <AnonO_o> waiting for her to mop up
18:08:04 <lady-3jane> er, did joepie91 have something siezed?
18:08:13 <monod> of course lady-3jane
18:08:26 <monod> desktops, laptops, usb sticks, dvds, cds
18:08:27 <lady-3jane> O.o what and by whom?
18:08:35 <monod> well
18:08:45 <monod> dunno if you already checked out
18:08:49 <lady-3jane> nope
18:08:55 <lady-3jane> what day
18:08:58 <monod>
18:09:01 <monod> today, early
18:09:10 <monod> he got raided
18:09:35 <monod> I was going just ight now to tell you but you asked first
18:09:51 <monod> I was *just going to tell you, but
18:10:15 * lady-3jane reads
18:11:20 <monod> *afk a few time*
18:14:19 <lady-3jane> well that's funny
18:14:32 <lady-3jane> I know the guy who trains the dutch high tech crime unit people
18:14:46 <lady-3jane> oh man
18:14:52 <lady-3jane> this just gets better
18:22:08 <iceTwy> lool
18:22:09 <iceTwy> do you lady-3jane?
18:22:27 <lady-3jane> I do, yeah
18:22:43 <lady-3jane> might be the only person who trains them... but he's very good
18:22:43 <iceTwy> contact him
18:22:44 <iceTwy> haha
18:22:45 <lady-3jane> :P
18:22:51 <lady-3jane> I'm trying, his irc net is down
18:22:51 <lady-3jane> :P
18:22:57 <iceTwy> lmao
18:23:03 <iceTwy> I've updated my shizzle
18:23:10 <iceTwy> it now actually works if you click on the "Cancel" button
18:23:14 <iceTwy> on the box
18:23:30 <lady-3jane> yay?
18:23:35 <iceTwy>
18:23:41 <iceTwy> it's a lot less annoying :P
18:23:47 <lady-3jane> oh you meant your thing
18:23:48 <lady-3jane> lel
18:29:18 <Xeross> monod: kind of bad how I find out through the news that a friend of mine got raided
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18:35:21 <lady-3jane> hmm, know that I'mma be pissed if I get raided
18:35:53 * lady-3jane waves to $government-agencies
18:36:18 <lady-3jane> on the plus side, I have a single computer. it'd take all of 10 minutes to raid me
18:36:23 <lady-3jane> :3
18:39:16 <monod> I can imagine, Xeross
18:41:16 <lady-3jane> I'm gonna throw this out there: anybody have any good resources on opsec or harm reduction methodologies? It's a longshot, I know. And yes, I've read gruggq's ppt.
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18:53:02 <lady-3jane> lulz
18:53:17 <lady-3jane> someone had to tweak mysql to handle 200cps? that's retarded
18:54:41 <AnonyOps> >200cps
18:54:46 <AnonyOps> MODS MODS MODS MODS MODS
18:55:13 <lady-3jane> hmm?
18:55:41 <lady-3jane> my server can't handle over 135cps because we run out of bandwidth :D
18:55:50 <lady-3jane> 3mbit uplink ftw
18:56:20 <lady-3jane> oh fuck
18:56:23 <lady-3jane> compiz is getting updated
18:56:28 <lady-3jane> prepare for breakage, guize!
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19:21:46 <monod> "compiz is getting updated - prepare for breakage!" LULZ
19:27:53 <maddux> one more week.. until new notebook
19:27:54 <maddux> can't wait
19:34:14 <lady-3jane> :>
19:38:29 <maddux> i have some 12 year old crappy thing with 1gb ram atm
19:38:35 <maddux> it's so painful
19:42:22 <lady-3jane> :P
19:42:38 <lady-3jane> his backup pc is fancier than my main box too haha
19:42:45 <maddux> now dreaming about i5 ultrabook with 8gb DDR3
19:42:47 <maddux> *Drool*
19:45:46 <lady-3jane> haha
19:46:06 <lady-3jane> someday I'll get new hardware
19:46:07 <lady-3jane> :>
19:47:08 <zest> i5 turbo boost, nice one ^_^
19:47:20 <lady-3jane> woot
19:48:14 <maddux> zest: thinking about an x220
19:48:20 <maddux> nice little devices
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20:33:07 <lady-3jane> oh god my wiki has received 6744 hits e.e
20:33:15 <lady-3jane> I really should take it down and redirect lol
20:51:27 <joepie91> lady-3jane: hai
20:52:16 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) hai :D
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20:55:15 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) interesting day I hear :D
20:57:05 <joepie91> Power2All: hai
20:57:12 <joepie91> beautiful how calls this channel a "lulzsec channel"
20:57:16 <joepie91> *someone* didn't do his reserch
20:57:18 <joepie91> research *
20:57:51 <maddux> joepie91: .. can you j?
21:00:23 <Power2All> hey joepie91
21:00:33 <Power2All> So they took your garbage ?
21:00:34 <Power2All> xD
21:00:42 * joepie91 done reading backlog
21:00:47 <joepie91> lady-3jane: interesting day indeed
21:00:55 <joepie91> maddux: do not currently have access to _anything_ wrt accounts
21:01:00 <joepie91> I forgot where I put my offsite backup of my keepass db
21:01:02 <joepie91> >.>
21:01:38 <Power2All> Wasnt lulzsec like, I donno, on AnonOps ?
21:01:41 <Power2All> xD
21:07:27 <Power2All> Thats why I left the whole AnonOps garbage.
21:07:36 <Power2All> Ones these days that network gets shut down the way it goes.
21:07:49 <asdf> sup joe
21:07:50 <maddux> joepie91: you're fine tho?
21:08:20 <asdf> maddux: what happened?
21:08:28 <joepie91> on a personal basis, yes
21:08:29 <joepie91> hai asdf
21:08:41 <asdf> how's it going?
21:11:44 <joepie91> going okay
21:11:47 <joepie91> but bit chaotic
21:12:18 <Power2All> Meh, I doubt they got much towards you anyway joepie91
21:12:23 <Power2All> if the things you told me was true ofc
21:12:24 <Power2All> ;)
21:14:18 <Power2All> Still funny how they are still focussed on lulzsec...
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21:15:06 <Power2All>
21:15:09 <Power2All> Interesting
21:16:28 <maddux> asdf: nothing?
21:17:32 <mama> Hello :)
21:17:43 <asdf> pfft nothing yea
21:20:20 <joepie91> the most amusing part
21:20:24 <joepie91> is where they try to claim that #crytocc
21:20:26 <joepie91> is a lulzsec channel
21:20:29 <joepie91> on
21:20:30 <joepie91> like, wat
21:21:04 <maddux> well we know how that happened
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21:21:22 <maddux> joepie = connection to lulzsec
21:21:23 <maddux> so obviously you are bad lulzsec hacker
21:21:58 <asdf> it was those leaked logs obviously
21:25:31 <Xeross> maddux: we're all m4d h4qu3r5 here
21:25:45 <maddux> ikr
21:27:36 <joepie91> well
21:27:37 <joepie91> I'm gone
21:27:40 <joepie91> for the next 13 hours
21:27:48 <joepie91> playing stage guard at a local festival
21:28:00 <joepie91> (ie. sit there and see noone even bother to try and steal shit becuase someone is sitting there)
21:41:29 <maddux> they don't use accounts from seized hardware
21:41:37 <maddux> it never happened before
21:42:13 <scraepy>
21:42:36 <scraepy> lolzd
21:45:18 <scraepy> shitty asics miners
21:45:29 <scraepy> .bitcoin
21:45:30 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $93.56, 1 BTC = €71.70
21:45:49 <scraepy> 500 gh/s wtf
21:46:53 <scraepy> not affordable...
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21:50:31 <scraepy> i was looking into to buy a mini rig with 5gh/s, but nao this rices are crazy
21:50:42 <scraepy> *prices
21:53:04 <maddux> should have waited a bit before selling a bit
21:53:24 <maddux> will very likely be over $100 again soon
21:53:52 <zest> maddux: wait until someone wish to pay for cpanel )
21:55:06 <maddux> ?
21:56:12 <zest> omg, one of the most popular news site and looks like sh*... \
21:56:47 <zest> maddux: for what the reason people buy bitcoins ??
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22:06:57 <maddux> oh, well, why does cpanel matter there
22:07:05 <maddux> ?
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22:09:54 <Power2All> cPanel
22:09:55 <Power2All> is
22:09:56 <Power2All> shit
22:10:02 <Power2All> So is DirectAdmin -_-
22:14:29 <zest> )
22:14:45 <zest> and zpanel
22:20:39 <maddux> just don't use that shit
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22:20:53 <iceTwy> hola
22:22:44 <iceTwy> joepie91: anything new?
22:22:56 <maddux> he's asleep
22:23:02 <maddux> in his fed bed :x
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22:25:01 <iceTwy> :/
22:27:26 <Power2All> Nah
22:27:28 <Power2All> He is off to some festival
22:27:34 <Power2All> he is like the guard
22:27:36 <Power2All> xD
22:28:43 <maddux> oh right
22:28:56 <maddux> so p2a, you still here
22:29:08 <maddux> i know so many people who hate you lol
22:46:30 <Power2All> ?
22:46:32 <Power2All> Oh
22:46:33 <Power2All> Yah
22:46:35 <Power2All> They always hating
22:46:37 <Power2All> they rolling
22:46:38 <Power2All> xD
22:46:52 <Power2All> I dont really give a fuck anymore.
22:47:04 <Power2All> They should better use their time on shooting their brains out.
22:47:20 <Power2All>
22:47:22 <Power2All> C64 ftw
22:47:30 <Power2All> Got my C64 at home working again.
22:47:39 <Power2All> Hooked a adapter on it via Arduino
22:47:43 <Power2All> with a SD card
22:47:43 <Power2All> xD
22:57:25 <mama> <3 Power2All (honest man)
22:57:51 <Power2All> Whut ? :)
22:58:19 <mama> Power2All: you are an honest man for me ;)
22:58:22 <Power2All>
22:58:24 <Power2All> Check ;)
22:58:27 <Power2All> Honest enough
22:58:30 <mama> that is why i respect you
22:59:09 <mama> LOL nice one!
22:59:09 <Power2All> Meh, I quitted AnonOps, not the otherway around as they try to make you believe.
22:59:18 <Power2All> Hehe yah
22:59:23 <Power2All> I got the C64 a long time.
22:59:25 <Power2All> xD
22:59:32 <Power2All> I should try get my SNES working too again.
22:59:36 <Power2All> Got a copybox for it.
22:59:39 <Power2All> with a Serial connector on it.
22:59:42 <mama> i guess why, how and what they will say
23:00:00 <mama> i will start soon #OpAnonops ;)
23:00:10 <Power2All> xD
23:00:15 <x> mama <3
23:00:16 <mama> at least to make ppl aware of what is it
23:00:17 <Power2All> I dont really care about AnonOps.
23:00:29 <Power2All> I got my own projects going on.
23:00:41 <Power2All> Modified my Dance Dance Revolution steel dance pads.
23:00:41 <mama> Power2All: you should care about entraped new comers
23:00:49 <Power2All> Put a PS3 controller inside of it.
23:00:52 <Power2All> Now they're wireless :P:
23:00:53 <mama> <3 you x
23:00:58 <x> :3
23:01:09 <Power2All> Dont believe me ?
23:01:24 <Power2All>
23:01:30 <Power2All> Those are 4 PS3 controllers
23:01:59 <mama> Power2All: the list of arrested ppl due to their presence at anonops is continually groing, we should not allow that
23:02:24 <Power2All> mama: Yah well, what do you expect on a network thats filled with kids...
23:02:28 <Power2All>
23:02:32 <Power2All> My Raspberry Pi :)
23:04:06 <zest> seems crazy, not understand what this project about ?
23:04:13 <zest> ?/...
23:04:14 <mama> idk if they are kids, i know they are dangerous for our movement and for individuals
23:04:36 <zest> dangerous kids
23:04:56 <mama> yea :(((
23:06:03 <Power2All> Meh
23:06:08 <Power2All> Kids with a gun is never good.
23:06:27 <x> I was okay and had a gun when I was a kid :p
23:06:40 <zest> xD
23:06:58 <Power2All> x: YOu didnt even shot yourself in the foot ?
23:07:00 <x> j/s
23:07:12 <Power2All> xD
23:07:18 <x> my friends tought me how to shoot :3
23:07:20 <mama> it is a serious matter
23:07:35 <Power2All> Weapons are illegal in Holland.
23:07:47 <Power2All> However, I did shoot some arrows with a bow in the past.
23:07:54 <x> I know mama, mean't no fun by it
23:07:57 <x> <3
23:07:57 <Power2All> Was a member of a bow shooting community.
23:08:13 <mama> anything can be a weapon when you want to fight haha
23:08:19 <Power2All> xD
23:08:22 <Power2All> Like, your fists ?
23:08:43 <mama> x good to fun by it, LOLOLOL
23:08:53 <x> :p
23:09:08 <Power2All> Gotta test DDR pad tomorrow.
23:09:08 <mama> fists are good also hahahahahahahahah
23:09:13 <Power2All> Neighbours gonna hate me
23:09:14 <Power2All> xD
23:09:17 <mama> i used them many times :p
23:09:50 <mama> but unfortunately i can't reach poke's face from here :s
23:09:54 <x> :3 mama got calises on them knuckles
23:09:56 <mama> hahahhahahahhahah
23:10:21 <x> pokes a whale :p
23:10:33 <mama> LOLOL
23:10:51 <x> oop I gotta stahp saying that >_>
23:11:09 <x> <33
23:11:31 <mama> <333 :)
23:11:41 <mama> what is "stahp"?
23:11:48 <x> stahp = stop
23:12:03 <x> internet slang
23:12:10 <x> or something
23:12:16 <mama> LOL, nice translation!
23:12:29 <x> :p lol
23:12:41 <mama> stahp anonhaps!!
23:12:48 <mama> hahahaha
23:12:49 <x> :PP
23:12:52 <x> haha
23:14:08 <Power2All> Meh.
23:14:18 <Power2All> Im hosting a radio station again.
23:14:23 <Power2All> With a lot of festivals on it.
23:14:26 <Power2All> Big ones too :)
23:15:40 <zest> Power2All: what the name of station ?
23:15:55 <Power2All> AniRadio
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23:24:47 <iceTwy> MK_FG: pingito ping
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23:36:08 <Xeross> Yey BSOD
23:37:45 <iceTwy> uhoh
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