Cryto! 12 June 2013
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00:57:58 <AnonO_o> hai
01:03:39 <twitchyliquid64> hai
01:03:44 <twitchyliquid64> joepie91: CHECK HOW COOL IT IS! http://www.freeimagehosting.net/newuploads/x38yi.png
01:03:47 <twitchyliquid64> cc lady-3jane
01:06:07 <lady-3jane> that counts as a screenshot?
01:06:11 <twitchyliquid64> yeah
01:06:12 <twitchyliquid64> lol
01:06:19 <twitchyliquid64> what do ya think lady-3jane ?
01:06:20 <lady-3jane> It's smaller than my non-smartphones screen
01:06:30 <lady-3jane> I don't know, I can't see it
01:06:38 <lady-3jane> looks sorta like bootstrap
01:06:48 <twitchyliquid64> I uploaded it at full size; the company shrunk it lol
01:06:53 <twitchyliquid64> and it is based off bootstrap
01:07:22 <lady-3jane> mm
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01:40:50 <joepie91> twitchyliquid64
01:40:57 <joepie91> please upload to http://imgur.com/
01:41:00 <joepie91> or use something like Owely
01:41:04 <joepie91> I can barely see anything
01:41:04 <joepie91> :P
01:48:29 <lady-3jane> ^
01:48:44 <lady-3jane> I mean shit, if you can make a cloud platform you can fucking put images on a server
01:49:07 <lady-3jane> take you an hour to write an entire image host these days
01:52:48 <joepie91> lady-3jane: and 10 minutes to be used as a malware host because you didn't sanitize your uploads properly
01:52:49 <joepie91> ;)
01:53:16 <lady-3jane> ;3
01:53:41 <lady-3jane> I've got a block of perl standing between me and the worst the internet has to offer
01:53:51 * lady-3jane grins
01:54:55 <joepie91> pft.
01:54:57 <joepie91> amateur.
01:54:57 <joepie91> Perl.
01:55:01 <joepie91> I have bash.
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02:12:18 <ShadowDemon> Node.js is quite a wonderful bit of software for web apps
02:12:23 <crytocc-c> Ah fuck sakes.
02:12:26 <ShadowDemon> lol
02:12:38 <crytocc-c> just as im about to go to sleep finally
02:12:41 <crytocc-c> i get a work call
02:12:41 <crytocc-c> -.-
02:12:57 <lady-3jane> lel
02:13:32 <lady-3jane> damn
02:13:46 <lady-3jane> If I had wine right now I'd be writing a big "state of web advertisement and tracking" article
02:13:52 <lady-3jane> quick! someone bring me wine
02:14:10 <lady-3jane> mostly because
02:14:11 <lady-3jane> Would you assholes please not slather your pages in shit that on.pageload resets me to the top? It's annoying because pages take forever to load (8 seconds for a news article is fucking unacceptable), so I start reading the article before it finishes – only to have the page ripped out from under me. Fuck you, too.
02:14:59 <ShadowDemon> LOL
02:15:09 <ShadowDemon> You seem annoyed :P
02:15:10 <lady-3jane> I'm tired of having 32mbit internet and still having to wait 15 seconds for a page to load. It is fucking infuriating.
02:15:36 <lady-3jane> 8 is pretty fast for news places
02:15:39 <lady-3jane> not gonna lie
02:17:31 <lady-3jane> I really do hate all this asynchronous shit
02:18:05 <lady-3jane> "here, we're going to load in twice the page's actual weight in javascript and css so we can display some little ads. But it won't affect page load time, because it's async loaded!"
02:18:08 <lady-3jane> fuck those people
02:18:30 <lady-3jane> which is about 99.97% of all web ads
02:20:31 * lady-3jane pisses rage and shits viral articles
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03:09:31 <twitchyliquid64> joepie91: whats your eyesight like?
03:09:44 <twitchyliquid64> I agree its lower quality and blurry, but I can still read it when I zoom in
03:10:17 <twitchyliquid64> and the problem with imgur is it requires a registration
03:10:18 <twitchyliquid64> ew
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03:22:56 <ShadowDemon-Mobile> Meow
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03:59:49 <lady-3jane> twitchyliquid64:) what is this zoom in?
04:00:28 <lady-3jane> Why would I ever zoom an image?
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04:31:45 <waflel> why is tpb down
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05:29:57 <lady-3jane> talk about real hosting... a friend put an image up on my server in 2010 and it's still there
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06:18:53 <ShadowDemon> lady-3jane: LOL
06:19:06 <lady-3jane> yeah man
06:19:55 <ShadowDemon> If I were you, I would install adblock plus
06:20:37 <ShadowDemon> It kills all those ad scripts and you'll find your browser load will decrease, pages will load faster, and you'll have much less glitches when using lots of open tabs
06:29:05 <lady-3jane> flash is click-to-play
06:29:15 <lady-3jane> and I don't run any addons because they slow shit down really bad
06:29:40 <lady-3jane> ShadowDemon:) ^ n.n
06:30:40 <ShadowDemon> lol
06:31:00 <ShadowDemon> I suppose. I've never had an issue with adblock
06:31:05 <lady-3jane> yeah, let's hook a bunch of functions into every page you're using... that sounds like a good idea
06:31:35 <ShadowDemon> Adblock really just stops the pages from downloading from certain domains
06:31:44 <ShadowDemon> It's not asynchronous
06:31:49 <ShadowDemon> Also
06:31:55 <ShadowDemon> Peerblock is a viable solution
06:32:06 <ShadowDemon> it's not an extension or addon
06:32:10 <ShadowDemon> More like a firewall
06:32:17 <lady-3jane> I remember that being a windows thing
06:32:25 <lady-3jane> I don't have a single running copy of windows
06:32:58 <lady-3jane> :P
06:33:26 <lady-3jane> I tend to hit edgecases easily, due to my using software for specific purposes with specific expectations
06:34:22 <lady-3jane> mostly that the software work, and that it scale. Most does one or the other, but not both. Browsers are a great example.
06:34:47 <ShadowDemon> ah you're right, peerblock is only Windows. I only switch to windows for Google Drive, which isn't very often.
06:34:54 <ShadowDemon> http://sourceforge.net/projects/peerguardian/
06:34:58 <ShadowDemon> ^ That might work
06:38:23 <lady-3jane> hmm, weird
06:38:36 <lady-3jane> it'd probably scale better to just write out that data into a format unbound can deal with
06:38:41 <lady-3jane> and just return NXDOMAIN to all of them
06:40:08 <lady-3jane> and if that server were public, others could use it
06:40:09 <lady-3jane> haha
06:40:17 <ShadowDemon> lol
06:40:20 <lady-3jane> update the list once per day, convert by script, restart
06:40:56 <lady-3jane> charge 1.50 per month for it (12 if you pay yearly)
06:42:14 * lady-3jane hands that to whoever wants to make a little change on the side
06:42:15 <ShadowDemon> :)
06:42:32 <lady-3jane> and use dwolla since they don't charge for shit under $10
06:42:37 <lady-3jane> :P
06:43:23 <lady-3jane> or charge a higher price (20/yr?) and don't even think about limitations on IP addresses or anything of the like
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06:43:31 <lady-3jane> just have a really smooth user funnel
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07:10:12 <ShadowDemon> That can work :)
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07:12:31 <lady-3jane> NP: [Korn - Twisted Transistor] [See You On The Other Side] [1019kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
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08:20:42 <ShadowDemon> LOL
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10:17:33 <twitchyliquid64> Oooooh someone started writing a minecraft server in Go :D
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11:00:55 <iceTwy> USA are seriously worrying me
11:01:07 <iceTwy> dafuck they going to do with their big data center in Utah
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11:42:11 <joepie91> twitchyliquid64: my eyesight is extremely good
11:42:21 <joepie91> but monitors don't work like real life
11:42:23 <joepie91> ;)
11:42:49 <joepie91> ...
11:42:52 <joepie91> <twitchyliquid64>I agree its lower quality and blurry, but I can still read it when I zoom in
11:42:52 <joepie91> THAT
11:43:02 <joepie91> that's because you made it so you know what it says *
11:43:04 <joepie91> (yes, really)
11:43:07 <joepie91> <twitchyliquid64>and the problem with imgur is it requires a registration
11:43:11 <joepie91> uh, no it doesn't?
11:45:18 <ShadowDemon> twitchyliquid64: congrats?
11:45:20 <iceTwy> Does anyone have riseup.net invite codes?
11:45:59 <joepie91> iceTwy: no, why do you need one?
11:46:13 <iceTwy> my main account's a gmail one
11:46:19 <joepie91> okay?
11:46:24 <iceTwy> and considering there's some private stuff there
11:46:32 <iceTwy> I wouldn't like having Google & NSA snooping around
11:46:34 <joepie91> not sure how riseup would be any better? :P
11:46:41 <joepie91> they're still hosting your email
11:49:35 <iceTwy> well
11:49:40 <iceTwy> their privacy policy's better at least
11:49:41 <iceTwy> lol
11:50:04 <iceTwy> I don't think they're affiliated to intrusive, official spy agencies
11:52:51 <joepie91> iceTwy: privacy policies are pointless
11:52:54 <joepie91> promises ar epointless
11:52:56 <joepie91> are *
11:53:18 <joepie91> if you don't want NSA snooping, run your own server or non-openvz VPS with encrypted filesystem
11:53:20 <joepie91> and use that
11:53:28 <joepie91> anything else is just fake privacy
11:55:05 <MK_FG> To be fair, it'd still be trivial for hosting company to extract your encryption master key from guest os' ram
11:55:29 <MK_FG> dm-crypt even comes with a tool for that in the sources
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11:58:22 <iceTwy> *shrug*
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12:06:12 <ShadowDemon> true
12:06:26 <ShadowDemon> joepie91 is correct, iceTwy
12:07:18 <ShadowDemon> You have to realize that things like this appealing to rebels are either under the scope of the DHS or created by them
12:07:29 <ShadowDemon> NSA can't scope Americans, but the DHS can ;)
12:07:39 <ShadowDemon> Good ol' Patriot Act
12:08:26 <ShadowDemon> Even in the case of a VPS or something similar, it can still be hacked by the DHS or seized easily
12:09:06 <joepie91> which is why encrypted filesystem
12:09:12 <joepie91> _theoretically_ it can still be broken into
12:09:24 <joepie91> but it can't be done without rebooting the VPS afaik
12:13:14 <iceTwy> could be joepie91
12:13:16 <iceTwy> cold boot attack
12:15:22 <MK_FG> These vps'es block devices are probably managed in some lvm pools
12:15:50 <MK_FG> So you just take snapshot of the vps blockdev, get key from it's ram (don't think you even need a snapshot there)...
12:16:04 <MK_FG> ...and you mount that blockdev with that key, no problem
12:16:26 <MK_FG> Why'd it be harder than that?
12:17:16 <iceTwy> MK_FG: are you trying to say that there's no possible safe email hosting solution?
12:19:38 <MK_FG> I'm trying to point out that vps hostings are not as secure as joepie91 seem to imply there
12:20:16 <joepie91> oh, they're not secure, just _more_ secure
12:20:17 <MK_FG> I don't really know what can be reasonably safe for your data, probably depends on what you're facing
12:20:19 <joepie91> as in technically secure
12:20:24 <joepie91> and there was some caveat even with LVM
12:20:26 <joepie91> that required you to reboot
12:20:29 <joepie91> I don't know the specifics anymore
12:20:37 <MK_FG> No, why'd it be the case?
12:21:11 <MK_FG> I actually did snapshots with kvms backed by lvm, no problem there
12:21:22 <MK_FG> You can even do read-only mount of the same volume
12:21:37 <joepie91> as I said, I don't remember the details :P
12:21:40 <joepie91> I hardly use email anyway
12:21:41 <MK_FG> And then hope that it won't lead to kernel panic of os that does the second mount
12:22:09 <MK_FG> And I'm pretty sure it rarely would with sanish fs
12:22:28 <MK_FG> So I strongly disagree with that "technically secure" thing
12:24:21 <MK_FG> iceTwy, If you worry about NSA specifically, maybe use your own reasonably tamper-proof coloc server?
12:24:53 <MK_FG> iceTwy, Another way for just data at-rest might be to have some forwarder to your home machine or even phone
12:25:09 <MK_FG> So that data never gets stored on hosted server for long
12:25:28 <MK_FG> And assuming you have control over your home hw and/or phone
12:26:38 <ShadowDemon> The NSA can NOT collect data on Americans
12:26:44 <ShadowDemon> Only the DHS can
12:26:48 <ShadowDemon> -_-
12:29:06 <joepie91> ShadowDemon: technicalities
12:29:14 <MK_FG> As in NSA doesn't permitted by law?
12:29:24 <MK_FG> *isn't
12:29:24 <joepie91> especially in a climate where previously people thought that "the NSA can't tap without a wiretap order"
12:29:32 <joepie91> and that has been proven wrong days ago
12:29:38 <joepie91> let
12:29:41 <ShadowDemon> As in it's a federal crime for the NSA to collect on Americans
12:29:47 <joepie91> let's not pretend we know what regulations government have to abide by *
12:29:50 <joepie91> because it's clear as mud
12:30:01 <joepie91> ShadowDemon: you are assuming that you are aware of the regulations the NSA lives by
12:30:09 <joepie91> there's a good chance that you're npot
12:30:10 <joepie91> not *
12:30:17 <ShadowDemon> I am, because I worked there
12:30:29 * joepie91 sighs
12:30:30 <ShadowDemon> We have a ton of directives we have to abide by
12:30:35 <ShadowDemon> USSID 18
12:30:52 <joepie91> ShadowDemon: what exactly makes you think that you know _every_ single aspect of the US government and its intelligence agencies and what they have to abide by?
12:30:54 <ShadowDemon> If I'm not mistaken, that one protects against collection on Americans
12:30:55 <joepie91> have you founded the NSA?
12:30:59 <joepie91> are you the US president?
12:31:14 <joepie91> are you in any other position that makes it impossible for anyone to hide anything from you about the workings?
12:31:14 <ShadowDemon> Because I worked directly for the President and the SecDef
12:31:24 <joepie91> hence they could have hidden things from you
12:31:43 <ShadowDemon> I had to go to stacks of briefings on how I cannot even Google an American's name
12:31:51 <joepie91> it's incredibly stupid to 1. assume that you ever had full access to knowledge about the operations of intelligence agencies and 2. assume that that knowledge is still up-to-date and unchanged
12:33:30 <ShadowDemon> I did have full access to all electronic information in JWICS. Physical information, well, I'm not everywhere obviously, lol. Either way, the directives for NSA collection will always remain the same because they were created by the judiciary branch if I recall correctly.
12:34:22 <ShadowDemon> The Directives cannot be unchanged. Breaking them is breaking federal law. Not to say the law cannot be broken, but you can definitely sue the government if they do so.
12:34:34 <ShadowDemon> As well as send some people to federal penitentiaries
12:35:07 <ShadowDemon> Sorry I used a double negative
12:35:20 <joepie91> <joepie91>it's incredibly stupid to 1. assume that you ever had full access to knowledge about the operations of intelligence agencies and 2. assume that that knowledge is still up-to-date and unchanged
12:35:21 <ShadowDemon> cannot be changed*
12:35:28 <joepie91> no matter what kind of position you claim
12:35:30 <joepie91> to have or have had
12:35:37 <joepie91> what I said remains applicable
12:35:50 <ShadowDemon> I cannot claim any position
12:35:55 <joepie91> reality is that you have no fucking idea whatsoever what is going on in the govt and intelligence community _right now_
12:36:00 <ShadowDemon> I can merely claim I worked there, lol
12:36:21 <joepie91> and it would be an EXTREMELY bad idea to call on that misappropriated knowledge to try and tell people that they are "safe from X in situation Y"
12:36:29 <joepie91> if you want to speculate independently, go ahead
12:36:36 <joepie91> but this has no place in a discussion about security
12:36:40 <ShadowDemon> I didn't say safe. I said it would be breaking the law.
12:36:52 <joepie91> <ShadowDemon>The NSA can NOT collect data on Americans
12:36:53 <joepie91> <ShadowDemon>Only the DHS can
12:37:01 <ShadowDemon> Legally.
12:37:13 <joepie91> ShadowDemon: except that's not how what you said comes across
12:37:23 <joepie91> what you said comes across as "you're safe from the NSA if you're in the US"
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12:37:35 <ShadowDemon> Legally
12:37:38 <joepie91> and those kind of remarks are an incredibly bad idea
12:37:48 <joepie91> ShadowDemon: I don't give a crap about what you meant or technically wanted to say
12:37:51 <joepie91> I care about how it comes across
12:37:56 <joepie91> how other people are going to read it
12:38:09 <joepie91> and they're going to read it in the worst way possibly
12:38:11 <joepie91> possible *
12:38:38 <ShadowDemon> Okay, my bad. The NSA can read your emails, but whoever does so is committing a federal crime, can and will be imprisoned, and all evidence is admissible in court.
12:38:47 <joepie91> in theory.
12:38:47 <ShadowDemon> ^ better stated?
12:39:31 <ShadowDemon> In reality. The only way to get around that is if the person was committing high treason and your right to a fair trial is then revoked.
12:40:31 <ShadowDemon> DHS can monitor your emails due to the Patriot act and the lack of NSA Directives, since they are a fairly new department
12:40:43 <ShadowDemon> That's who you should be worried about
12:40:55 <ShadowDemon> Which is what I was trying to put the emphasis on
12:42:25 <joepie91> http://www.whyisntbitcoinworthless.com/
12:42:34 <joepie91> sigh
12:42:35 <joepie91> ShadowDemon
12:42:38 <joepie91> you don't get it, do you?
12:42:56 <joepie91> $high_up_person in $organization can decide to secretly change all the protocols you are refering to, overnight, and you'll never know
12:43:06 <joepie91> or even not 'change' but just 'conveniently forget to follow up on'
12:43:21 <joepie91> you have ZERO guarantee that these protocols will be stuck to
12:43:24 <joepie91> and if the past few years is any indication
12:43:33 <joepie91> it doesn't seem like anyone has any intention of doing so if they can get away with it
12:45:38 <ShadowDemon> Sorry, I was getting a snack.
12:46:41 <ShadowDemon> It's not a protocol
12:46:50 <ShadowDemon> Do you know what a Directive is?
12:47:55 <joepie91> ShadowDemon: I have no idea what the specific definition is, nor do I care, nor does it have any relevance to this, nor does it provide a counterpoint to what I just said
12:48:07 <joepie91> if you want to believe that people within govt are integer, go ahead
12:48:12 <joepie91> but don't put others at risk with that belief
12:51:29 <ShadowDemon> Yes it does
12:51:47 <ShadowDemon> A directive cannot be changed.
12:52:00 <joepie91> is there a law of physics that prevents it from being changed? no
12:52:02 <ShadowDemon> Going against is a federal crime.
12:52:03 <joepie91> I am done with this conversation
12:52:11 <joepie91> ShadowDemon: LAWS AND DIRECTIVES ARE MADE BY PEOPLE
12:52:14 <joepie91> PEOPLE CAN DECIDE TO MAKE CHANGES
12:52:17 <joepie91> PEOPLE CAN ACT DISHONESTLY
12:52:23 <joepie91> PEOPLE CAN BREAK THINGS THEY MADE THEMSELVES AND COVER IT UP
12:52:34 <joepie91> if this is not clear enough for you, I'm afraid you're never going to understand the problems
12:52:35 <ShadowDemon> Let's go on your train of logic
12:52:42 <joepie91> and you should probably just refrain from making claims based on this
12:52:44 <joepie91> altogether
12:52:50 <ShadowDemon> Let's assume someone does break the law and gathers information on a U.S. Person.
12:52:51 <joepie91> you're putting people at risk
12:53:46 <ShadowDemon> Then that person is brought to court, and all evidence is illegal and it is dismissed in court and the person goes home and cannot be tried a second time for the crime, then what?
12:53:53 <ShadowDemon> The Constitution all of a sudden changes?
12:54:19 <ShadowDemon> Your logic is astounding. If you don't want the government to look through your shit, don't put it on the internet.
12:54:22 <joepie91> <joepie91>if this is not clear enough for you, I'm afraid you're never going to understand the problems
12:54:27 <joepie91> I'm just going to leave it at that
12:54:31 <joepie91> because this appears to be the case
12:54:32 <AnonForecast> lol
12:54:44 <joepie91> I don't know if it's the bias you've picked up while working for government
12:54:46 <AnonForecast> Y U NO LOGIC?
12:54:54 <joepie91> but you seem to simply not be absorbing what I am explaining to you
12:55:00 <joepie91> and only reading parts of it and dismissing other parts or whatever
12:55:04 <AnonForecast> rofllllllll >.<
12:55:19 <AnonForecast> god i love waking up to joerants in the morning
12:55:41 <joepie91> and honestly, if you fail to interpret a purely logical explanation, and rather than asking for clarification make claims based on misinterpretation after being told repeatedly that you are not understanding it
12:55:47 <joepie91> then I can't help you any further
12:56:40 <AnonForecast> im imagining joe speaking in a robotic TTS voice 24/7
12:56:42 <ShadowDemon> You aren't helping at all. I said the DHS can collect on US Persons, but the NSA can't without persecution or the evidence being dismissed.
12:57:01 <AnonForecast> says who? you?
12:57:07 <joepie91> that you're continuing to argue your point rather than responding to what I just told you, only further proves the point I am trying to make
12:57:10 <ShadowDemon> Says Federal Law.
12:57:15 <ShadowDemon> Look up United States Signals Intelligence Directive 18
12:57:17 <AnonForecast> "law"?
12:57:20 <AnonForecast> lol
12:57:20 <joepie91> you're simply not absorbing what I say
12:57:27 <AnonForecast> interpreted by which judge?
12:57:27 <joepie91> you're just endlessly repeating your own story
12:57:29 <joepie91> your own explanation
12:57:36 <joepie91> not responding to what I am saying, just half-dismissing it
12:57:40 <AnonForecast> you do realize that ALL law is subject to judicial "interpretation" correct?
12:57:45 <joepie91> a conversation is two-way, ShadowDemon
12:57:53 <joepie91> not a monologue
12:58:24 <joepie91> I've already indicated that I can't help you any further and that I'm not going to bother with discussing this point further
12:58:34 <joepie91> any attempt to continue discussing the point with me, is blatantly ignoring that
12:58:49 <ShadowDemon> AnonForecast: have you ever studied US Law? There are things that are black and white and others that are interpreted. It's not completely interpretation.
12:58:54 <joepie91> and shows that this is a monologue, not a conversation
12:58:55 <AnonForecast> ShadowDemon, come argue with me about it in #AnonNews
13:03:03 <ShadowDemon> joepie91: your two statements were that people can go against/change protocol and that i am not in the government right now. i stated it is not protocol and it is a directive that has been created outside of the NSA to control the department. i also said that the DHS has not had the same laws. that statement sticks regardless of the fact that i left the government a year and a half ago.
13:04:16 <ShadowDemon> It isn't monologue, I understand what you're saying, it just does not apply to NSA Directives that were created outside the Department. They don't expire, and they are unclassified.
13:04:23 <ShadowDemon> It's quite simple really.
13:07:10 <ShadowDemon> but, if you find me some hard evidence against what I'm saying, I'll gladly eat my words
13:08:08 <joepie91> ShadowDemon
13:08:11 <joepie91> you're still doing it
13:08:16 <joepie91> you're still continuing about the point
13:08:37 <joepie91> if you have not understood what I said so far, then you are not going to understand it when I repeat it either, okay?
13:08:42 <joepie91> there is no point in continuing to discuss this
13:09:07 <ShadowDemon> oye
13:09:11 <joepie91> just keep remarks along the lines of "X can't do Y" implying that someone is somehow safe from something out of this, k?
13:10:17 <ShadowDemon> People would have to be idiots to think the NSA is the only part of the government that can read their emails.
13:11:14 <ShadowDemon> There's the DHS, DEA, CIA, DIA, etc, etc
13:11:56 <ShadowDemon> There are parts of the government that can legally put trojans on your computer without any justification
13:12:24 <ShadowDemon> I digress.
13:13:08 <ShadowDemon> To further your point, nobody is safe from anything unless they write stuff on papers that they burn.
13:13:32 <ShadowDemon> Even a cell phone without a battery can be used for surveillance
13:31:48 * ShadowDemon likes ramen
13:31:53 <ShadowDemon> brb all
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14:50:16 <iceTwy> I'm mining bitcoins, for the fun of it
14:50:59 <MK_FG> iceTwy, Spotted http://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/1g4tgv/alternatives_to_gmail/cagwkk2 while roaming reddit
14:51:25 <iceTwy> Amazing! thanks
14:53:36 <MK_FG> People seem to suggest either riseup or yandex there
14:54:29 <MK_FG> Latter is kinda funny, but who knows ;)
14:55:20 <iceTwy> lol yandex.ru
14:55:32 <MK_FG> Following the same logic, you'd want iranian and chinese mail
14:55:48 <iceTwy> I can only think of Russian deep-underground weirdos owning a yandex.ru account
15:01:01 <MK_FG> Also, based on some suggestions there, with a few pieces of ducttape applied, I think you can actually build reasonably secure mail on vps as joepie91 suggested
15:01:21 <MK_FG> But you'd need assymetric one-way crypto instead of dm-crypt
15:01:48 <joepie91> http://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/1g4tgv/alternatives_to_gmail/cagsujj
15:01:51 <MK_FG> Store all emails e.g. gpg-crypted to it and use pgp-enabled client to read these
15:01:59 <joepie91> MK_FG: make sure it's secure duct tape!
15:01:59 <joepie91> :P
15:02:29 <MK_FG> Well, just "gpg -e" seem to be, not without flaws, of course, as per link
15:03:04 <MK_FG> But at least it won't be plaintext to your hoster
15:03:34 <MK_FG> (unless it actively taps all the computation)
15:03:52 <MK_FG> (or backdoors all the vps'es... or some other tinfoil-hat thing like that)
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15:11:44 <MK_FG> I actually wonder if that comment about gpg forward secrecy holds true, don't subkeys and their expiration provide just that?
15:11:53 <MK_FG> (not perfect forward secrecy, sure, but some, esp. with it being offline scheme...)
15:12:30 <iceTwy> MK_FG: unfortunately I'm no crypto expert
15:13:48 <iceTwy> amazing, I've won 7 cents already
15:14:56 <joepie91> my baking experiment appears to be going well so far
15:15:14 <joepie91> crushed peanuts + grated cheese, added some olive oil, squished it into a giant ball of blob
15:15:24 <joepie91> divided into smaller balls, roll in flour + breadcrumbs
15:15:27 <joepie91> then put in oven
15:15:55 <MK_FG> Dark arts of cooking ;)
15:16:12 <joepie91> yes, indeed
15:16:34 <MK_FG> I never tried to grasp these, even following simple recipies always ended in failure for me ;)
15:16:45 <joepie91> following recipes works okay for me
15:16:50 <joepie91> I know how to make food etc
15:16:54 <joepie91> what I suck at, is inventing my own things
15:16:58 <joepie91> except for this time, it would seem
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15:27:21 <joepie91> http://i.imgur.com/7dcf1VB.jpg
15:27:24 <joepie91> @ MK_FG
15:27:39 <joepie91> they've become some sort of cookies, heh
15:27:42 <joepie91> quite an odd taste
15:27:44 <joepie91> but quite nice
15:27:55 <joepie91> very hot though
15:28:42 <MK_FG> Looks edible
15:29:44 <MK_FG> Being a forever-alone bad-cook, I'd eat pretty much anything and call it tasty ;)
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15:33:00 <joepie91> haha
15:58:06 * lady-3jane bobbles
15:58:28 <lady-3jane> oh, I'm home again! Ha! I can update my site
15:58:29 <lady-3jane> :D
15:58:47 <lady-3jane> fuck it was a pain to get into my shit when I was away
15:59:01 <lady-3jane> It's all set up to only be accessed from here :>
16:00:05 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) nice cookies :D
16:21:50 <iceTwy> no
16:21:54 <iceTwy> I haz better cookies
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16:22:14 <iceTwy> joepie91: you should come home and try out my cookiez
16:27:21 <joepie91> lol
16:27:34 <joepie91> :D
16:27:54 <joepie91> lady-3jane: that reminds me, I should copy over the latest version of my keepass db to my laptop
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16:40:07 <waflel> gday joepie91
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16:40:39 <joepie91> hai
16:40:51 <waflel> pm?
16:40:58 <snowy> hi o/
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18:37:55 <joepie91> I need some advice
18:38:05 <joepie91> seeing as the CAD and USD both use $
18:38:10 <joepie91> if I'm using '$' to depict the USD
18:38:19 <joepie91> what is the common way of depicting the CAD in text?
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19:04:24 <AnonO_o> $5 CAD isn't it?
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19:34:25 <dpk> joepie91, thise queitplase
19:34:36 <dpk> ohaithur loggy
19:34:42 <joepie91> ohai dpk!
19:34:51 <joepie91> it's not always quiet :)
19:35:05 <dpk> not once dpk shows up it's not
19:35:06 <joepie91> it comes in bursts, mostly
19:35:08 <joepie91> heh
19:35:13 <joepie91> for example, if I do this
19:35:31 <joepie91> hai, lady-3jane, twitchyliquid64, AnonForecast, emptyreddata, HiveResearch, IR601
19:35:37 <dpk> hehe
19:35:39 <joepie91> and hai MK_FG (I keep overlooking you because sop)
19:35:40 <dpk> yo all
19:36:02 <joepie91> ... noone awake? ._.
19:36:02 <emptyreddata> Hi everyone.
19:36:05 <joepie91> ah there we go :)
19:36:08 <IR601> bonjour joseph pastry
19:36:20 <MK_FG> What's with all the hies?
19:36:23 <HiveResearch> HULK SMASH.. er wut
19:36:24 <lady-3jane> yes hello, this is dog
19:36:32 <joepie91> MK_FG: was just showing dpk that it isn't always quiet here :)
19:36:39 <dpk> yeah, hi. and fuck you all
19:36:43 <joepie91> lol
19:36:45 <lady-3jane> it was only quiet because I was working at a job
19:36:48 <HiveResearch> s/dog/wall dog/g
19:36:52 <joepie91> lady-3jane: work :o?
19:36:56 <lady-3jane> yes
19:36:58 <IR601> lol
19:37:00 <dpk> (just like to make it clear from the outside that fuck you, dpk is best)
19:37:04 <lady-3jane> and I respect "no irc on work pc" rule
19:37:04 <IR601> y so work
19:37:04 <lady-3jane> :P
19:37:10 <joepie91> lady-3jane: I can see that!
19:37:10 <dpk> *outset
19:37:11 <HiveResearch> i was having a wank, do you mind?
19:37:15 <joepie91> as evidenced by your current conversation
19:37:16 <joepie91> :P
19:37:20 <lady-3jane> :3
19:37:32 <lady-3jane> except for when I don't respect the rule
19:37:38 <lady-3jane> mostly it's just really hard to irc on macs
19:37:39 <joepie91> haha
19:37:39 <HiveResearch> I am pissed
19:37:44 <dpk> AppleJack is [sbp's choice of] best pony
19:37:52 <lady-3jane> NP: [Queens of the Stone Age - Mosquito Song] [Songs for the Deaf] [859kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
19:37:52 <joepie91> oh dear
19:38:04 <MK_FG> What's sbp?
19:38:15 <lady-3jane> yeah what MK_FG said
19:38:17 <joepie91> Who's *
19:38:17 <HiveResearch> I got antishock to a relatively acceptable point
19:38:18 <HiveResearch> and now it's down
19:38:18 <HiveResearch> ://
19:38:26 <dpk> a whimsical ovulet of whits
19:38:29 <lady-3jane> agh
19:38:35 <joepie91> person that dpk and I both know :)
19:38:41 <joepie91> HiveResearch: what happened to it?
19:38:43 <lady-3jane> this explosion of chat is interrupting my photo stalking
19:38:56 * lady-3jane grins
19:39:11 <dpk> so, the NSA is spying on this channel too now. GOOD WORK LOGGY
19:39:17 <dpk> loggy: botsnack
19:39:25 <joepie91> loggy is not yoleaux :P
19:39:30 <lady-3jane> wat
19:39:30 <dpk> (loggy has government backdoors)
19:39:35 <HiveResearch> joepie91: gonna talk to aigeanta see what up
19:39:35 <lady-3jane> nsa was always spying on this chan
19:39:37 <joepie91> also, I suspect the NSA has their own fancy logbots here
19:39:41 <joepie91> yes, that
19:39:42 <dpk> yeah, probs
19:39:52 <joepie91> was reading another court order with references to cryto again, a few hours ago
19:39:53 <dpk> botpie91, help
19:39:53 <joepie91> old one though
19:39:54 <botpie91> dpk: Hi, I'm a bot. Say ".commands" to me in private for a list of my commands, or see http://inamidst.com/phenny/ for more general details. My owner is joepie91.
19:39:55 <joepie91> cabincrew stuff
19:39:57 <lady-3jane> any single person isn't using ssl? nsa gets it.
19:40:00 <dpk> ah, a phenny
19:40:02 <lady-3jane> automagically
19:40:06 <HiveResearch> joepie91: i had pictureses
19:40:07 <joepie91> a phenny indeed :)
19:40:32 * snowy pulls down IR601's pants
19:40:33 <dpk> .tw crimershow
19:40:34 <botpie91> PEPL: Heye,whye youm got a Dort Vador hemlet on Yor hed ? COMPTOOTERGUY: Im worke inthe darkc oviosly .Whaet comptooting youm wants me Todo? (@crimershow)
19:40:35 <snowy> HA HA
19:40:35 <HiveResearch> i made diagramses
19:40:40 <IR601> LOL
19:40:43 <IR601> hai snowy
19:40:44 <joepie91> (also, the relevant court order was that for Kahuna... for some reason I hadn't read it earlier, despite it having been released somewhere in 2012)
19:40:46 <IR601> sup in da butt
19:40:47 <snowy> hey bro
19:40:49 <joepie91> wait, I have twitter module enabled?
19:40:51 <joepie91> huh.
19:40:55 <joepie91> also, custom modules:
19:40:58 <lady-3jane> I want the nsa to have a form where you can mail them a harddrive and they'll copy your data onto it and mail it back
19:40:58 <joepie91> .bitcoin
19:41:00 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $109.00, 1 BTC = €83.50
19:41:01 <joepie91> .license gpl 3
19:41:03 <botpie91> GNU General Public License v3 (GPL-3): You may copy, distribute and modify the software as long as you track changes/dates of in source files and keep modifications under GPL. You can distribute your application using a GPL library commercially, but you must also provide the source code. GPL v3 aims to prevent <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tivoization#GPLv3">Tivoization</a>. http://www.tldrlegal.com/license/gnu-general-public-licen
19:41:11 <snowy> http://trollthensa.com/
19:41:12 <lady-3jane> so I can see what data nsa has
19:41:14 <IR601> what u been upto
19:41:26 <joepie91> lady-3jane: no chance of that happening :P
19:41:29 <snowy> IR601: snitching, you?
19:41:34 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) that's why I'm against nsa spying
19:41:38 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) :D
19:41:42 <IR601> lol hiding
19:41:45 <joepie91> fair enough
19:41:46 <lady-3jane> wtb my data
19:41:49 * IR601 sneeky eyes
19:41:51 <lady-3jane> :3
19:41:52 <dpk> loggy, help
19:41:52 <loggy> I'm a Python IRC logging bot. Source: http://inamidst.com/code/loggy.py Logging to: http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/
19:41:57 <snowy> IR601: seen sprite or dude etc?
19:42:04 <lady-3jane> NP: [Mark Knopfler - Boom, Like That] [Shangri-La] [912kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
19:42:08 <joepie91> IR601, snowy, we have a standoff here?
19:42:14 <joepie91> seeing as one is snitching and the other is hiding
19:42:15 <joepie91> :P
19:42:17 * dpk still kinda peeved he isn't credited for the MASSIVE IMPORTANT PATCH he contributed to loggy
19:42:25 <IR601> lol mexican style
19:42:29 <joepie91> dpk: which... patch was that?
19:42:30 <lady-3jane> lol
19:42:34 <lady-3jane> remember the alamo, bitches
19:42:34 <snowy> IR601 is small potatoes :D
19:42:36 <joepie91> also, I should probably update it to point to multiloggy
19:42:41 <dpk> joepie91: the government backdoor, obvs
19:42:45 <HiveResearch> Hello NSA. U spent a shitload on storage. We bought vidya cards. You collect, we process. That spells pwnt on you.
19:42:47 <joepie91> pretty sure it's a multiloggy I'm running, not vanilla loggy
19:42:47 <IR601> sprite i keep in contact with irl i havnt seen somedude in ages and reem pops around somtimes
19:43:01 <snowy> IR601: tell tham I was asking for them
19:43:09 <IR601> asking for sex ok
19:43:11 <dpk> hah! https://www.google.com/search?q=loggy.py
19:43:19 <snowy> lol, with a ginger?
19:43:26 <joepie91> :P
19:43:35 <IR601> i can tell sprite now if u want
19:43:42 <IR601> maybe he will come online
19:43:51 <snowy> cool
19:44:00 <snowy> then I will tap his wire :D
19:44:04 <dpk> joepie91: patch: https://gist.github.com/dpk/c3b4bf519b5eb0d1a3be
19:44:05 <IR601> lol
19:44:12 <HiveResearch> it's sad when a clumsy programmer like myself can figure out how to make NSA systems spin their wheels
19:44:49 <lady-3jane> that's an awfully narcissistic thing to say
19:44:57 <HiveResearch> the old Stasi mindset of vacuum all the info has crept into the NSA
19:45:21 <HiveResearch> well it's a fact that they are really just overteched bean counters
19:45:25 <joepie91> dpk: ah yes
19:45:31 <joepie91> you're credited in the multiloggy source for that
19:45:31 <joepie91> :p
19:45:33 <HiveResearch> whereas we have processing power
19:45:46 <HiveResearch> they have recording power
19:45:48 <dpk> joepie91, the main reason for that was that there was an awful lot of op-war–related fun going on that simply wasn't being recorded
19:45:49 <HiveResearch> lulz
19:45:55 <joepie91> heh
19:46:14 <joepie91> aaaanyway!
19:46:19 <joepie91> going to put dinner into oven
19:46:21 <joepie91> and then get back to code
19:46:26 <HiveResearch> do u realize it wouldn't take that much shit posting to to make the NSA choke?
19:46:28 <dpk> joepie91: enjoy!
19:46:32 <joepie91> was working on adding default currency and amount customizations to ReDonate
19:46:38 <joepie91> (that's what my todo list told me to do :P)
19:47:01 <dpk> it's got to be his destiny, and it's what his todo list is telling him
19:47:18 <HiveResearch> they chose data we chose logic - now who do you think will win?
19:47:27 * dpk . o O ( works surprisingly well, except for the loss of rhyme )
19:47:45 <lady-3jane> NP: [Mark Knopfler - Song For Sonny Liston] [Shangri-La] [769kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
19:48:44 <snowy> IR601: tell sprite its summer, so I'll be here for a while :D
19:48:53 <HiveResearch> ok now I have that Pale Blue Planet ytmnd soundtrack stuck in my head
19:50:53 <lady-3jane> NP: [P.O.S - Fuck Your Stuff] [We Don't Even Live Here] [905kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
19:53:40 <joepie91> FEATURES!
19:54:59 <lady-3jane> when do we want them? FEATURES
19:59:58 <IR601> lolol
20:00:19 <IR601> he hasnt replyed
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20:12:49 <HiveResearch> Rackspace is down
20:13:01 <HiveResearch> that why antishock is down
20:13:15 <HiveResearch> Shit is fucked up and bullshit.
20:14:57 <crytocc-c> NEVER use 1&1
20:15:05 <crytocc-c> Their servers got hacked
20:15:10 <crytocc-c> and they're being used to launch ddos
20:22:02 <lady-3jane> :>
20:22:16 <lady-3jane> the one I provisioned is on liquidweb
20:22:25 <lady-3jane> got good reviews from em, and their support people aren't retards
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20:35:08 <crytocc-c> joepie91 you not busy for a minute?
20:35:43 <crytocc-c> if you are, or not, does Neon use LDAP or do they do it a different method. Its same type of login system, just one is "better".
20:40:28 <joepie91> for what?
20:40:39 <joepie91> lol 1&1
20:41:40 <joepie91> ah, great
20:41:48 <joepie91> VPS suspended for non-payment even though I paid a few days ago
20:41:54 <joepie91> rough guess: WHMCS bug
20:42:01 <joepie91> unless I somehow overlooked something
20:43:48 <AnonO_o> eww 1&1
20:44:12 <AnonO_o> they like advertising here now and then for some apparent reason
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20:50:31 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) :D I finished the hosting migration shit, even figured out why we had intermittent mail issues.
20:50:59 <joepie91> what was causing it?
20:51:02 <lady-3jane> the bruteforce blocker thing in cpanel is turned up far too high
20:51:23 <lady-3jane> it's like 5 failed logins in 15 minutes, get to 20 failed logins and you get two week ban
20:51:44 <lady-3jane> that's a problem if your mail client eats 25 accounts worth of passwords when you change settings (welcome to fucking macmail(
20:52:21 <lady-3jane> hosting company whitelisted current IP's so we could fix and I turned the limits up to something reasonable
20:52:56 <lady-3jane> now it's all smooth
20:53:02 <joepie91> heh
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20:53:26 <joepie91> macmail?
20:53:30 <lady-3jane> yeah
20:53:31 <joepie91> is that, like, apple mail?
20:53:32 <lady-3jane> mail.app
20:53:44 <lady-3jane> apples come with a mostly-acceptable mail program
20:53:55 <lady-3jane> it's good as long as you don't touch anything after you've set it up
20:54:07 <joepie91> apple mail gave me nightmares
20:54:16 <joepie91> when I was trying to write an email parser
20:54:25 <joepie91> like, every single oddity that was allowed by the spec, was done by apple mail
20:54:29 <joepie91> stuff was hell to parse
20:54:30 <lady-3jane> yes
20:54:33 <lady-3jane> :P
20:54:41 <lady-3jane> we have html footers on all mails
20:54:45 <lady-3jane> company policy :|
20:54:58 <lady-3jane> my improvement was to make the image not remote hosted on the company server
20:55:06 <lady-3jane> turned it into a data uri
20:55:38 <lady-3jane> inflates the size of mails, but means you don't have to hit the server every time you load a mail
20:56:11 <lady-3jane> soon there will be some caching set up, but I'm not doing that until next week
20:56:41 <crytocc-c> joepie91: Machine Suspended for DDOS attack
20:56:54 <crytocc-c> they gave a log of the apparent DDOS attack
20:57:06 <crytocc-c> its some round robin script someone made to attack machines with security issues
20:57:16 <crytocc-c> instead of using the correct hostname(domain.ex.com)
20:57:27 <crytocc-c> it shows s(7 numbers).onlineserver.com
20:57:35 <crytocc-c> which 1&1 controls. so its not targeted hacking
20:57:42 <lady-3jane> lel
21:23:06 <joepie91> just added custom donation amount/currency presets to redonate
21:23:35 <joepie91> as in, you can now set your own 'default' values for the landing page
21:23:35 <joepie91> :P
21:25:36 <HiveResearch> joepie91: this might sound like i'm stuck on the moon losing my mind, but with everybody paralyzed by this PRISM shit, how do you pick up a live pulse out there? people having an idea what to do with this
21:26:12 <HiveResearch> twitter's a zombie, facebook is useless... wtf
21:26:26 <joepie91> what to do with what?
21:26:27 <snowy> http://trollthensa.com/
21:27:28 <joepie91> snowy: nice idea to have fun, but wildly ineffective
21:28:07 <snowy> it's a start i guess
21:28:31 <AnonForecast> HiveResearch, relax. just stick to the original plan and everyone will be perfectly fine
21:28:38 <AnonForecast> we got this.
21:28:43 <snowy> hopefully more effective ideas will come out
21:29:09 <AnonForecast> no new solutions necessary. solution already available.
21:29:32 <joepie91> snowy: not even a start
21:29:36 <snowy> nsa website was down earlier
21:29:42 <joepie91> it takes all of 10 nanoseconds for a moderately skilled sysadmin to filter this
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21:38:26 <AnonForecast> HiveResearch, PM
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21:40:24 <HiveResearch> joepie91: just feeling like making shit work is a lot more dragging lately
21:43:22 <lady-3jane> I think perhaps you're mistaking silence for paralysis. Silence on the wire does not denote a lack of activity :P
21:43:51 <HiveResearch> lady-3jane: normally it denotes the opposite
21:43:57 <HiveResearch> it's not silence
21:44:27 <HiveResearch> it's reaction time, mood, temperament
21:44:58 <HiveResearch> like walking thru mollasses
21:44:59 <lady-3jane> So everyone is going through the stages of grief? I suppose you should be making a thing to catch them at the right stage?
21:46:00 <HiveResearch> lady-3jane: what worries me is T.H.E.Y. have figured out how to pile it on so ppl get stuck on the same stage
21:46:12 <HiveResearch> however you just cracked it open
21:49:22 <HiveResearch> thx
21:50:26 <lady-3jane> np :P
21:51:00 <joepie91> HiveResearch: I do think it's more work now to get people to do things
21:51:09 <joepie91> people have gotten used to activism, however weird it may sound
21:51:27 <joepie91> they've developed certain habits, certain 'methods' of 'activism' that they have accepted as 'truths', regardless of their actual effectiveness
21:51:29 <joepie91> (ddos, etc)
21:52:03 <joepie91> try convincing them of some other method, and it'll be like trying to get an Apple fanboy to use an Android phone
21:52:17 <HiveResearch> i think what
21:52:22 <joepie91> so yes, it has gotten harder to get stuff done, because people have gotten stuck
21:52:34 <HiveResearch> happened also is that people don'
21:52:50 <HiveResearch> don't even enjoy the forms they've chosen
21:53:15 <AnonForecast> amen
21:53:29 <HiveResearch> there's a certain recharge and vitality you get from doing something fun
21:53:35 <AnonForecast> anon lost its ability to tactically adapt
21:53:50 <HiveResearch> we can adapt, we just can't taste oit
21:53:54 <HiveResearch> *it
21:54:22 <lady-3jane> probably too much centralization in anon
21:54:30 <lady-3jane> too much structure has formed
21:54:39 <lady-3jane> distributed structure, but structure
21:54:42 <HiveResearch> like i doubt OpSaveED would have taken off today
21:55:05 <HiveResearch> well i feel it's more cart before horse
21:55:21 <HiveResearch> structure is fine, in the sense of ice skates on ice
21:56:05 <HiveResearch> but people without ideas come together in large numbers to find ideas - which is impossible because the whole collective mind is empty
21:56:06 <lady-3jane> but when nobody's run the zamboni
21:56:12 <HiveResearch> lol
21:56:15 <HiveResearch> precisely
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21:56:30 <HiveResearch> nailed it
21:57:03 <HiveResearch> before it was people who already had success with tactics and just wanted to find the best ones that fit the goal
21:57:11 <HiveResearch> they came with materials
21:57:19 <HiveResearch> now people come together naked
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21:57:53 <lady-3jane> problems of an officially popular movement, I suspect
21:58:08 <HiveResearch> ddos, deface, blackfax, dox - the tool has replaced the cause
21:58:12 <lady-3jane> there was more than a little self-selection before
21:58:21 <HiveResearch> yes
21:58:58 <HiveResearch> ok
21:58:59 <HiveResearch> so
21:59:05 <HiveResearch> ppl got stuck
21:59:18 <HiveResearch> we invented a theory for getting unstuck
21:59:45 <HiveResearch> but there's that nagging feeling of having to carry all these people to the starting line
22:00:08 <joepie91> using github API, how does one keep track of commits made by a user to public repositories?
22:00:19 <HiveResearch> this is a sign of biting off too much
22:01:33 <HiveResearch> hmm not sure joepie, short of looking at the graphs
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22:12:13 <lady-3jane> NP: [Queens of the Stone Age - No One Knows] [Songs for the Deaf] [969kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
22:24:05 <crytocc-c> remind me why I never liked Liam at lowendtalk
22:24:11 <crytocc-c> I can think of easily 10-20 reasons
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22:45:52 <lady-3jane> awh, fuck. new opera won't be on linux for first release
22:46:15 <lady-3jane> which sucks, since opera next is currently shipping chrome 28
22:46:18 <lady-3jane> aka blink
22:46:27 <lady-3jane> (It's so sexy on mac, damn.)
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22:55:31 <joepie91> hm
22:56:22 <joepie91> annoying
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22:56:55 <joepie91> .ghwatch
22:57:01 <joepie91> no?
22:57:09 <joepie91> .startgh
22:57:10 <lolpie91> UnboundLocalError: local variable 'watcher_started' referenced before assignment (file "/home/sven/projects/phenny/modules/github.py", line 77, in start_github)
22:57:12 <joepie91> hm
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22:57:41 <joepie91> .startgh
22:57:43 <lolpie91> AttributeError: 'dict' object has no attribute 'timestamp' (file "/home/sven/projects/phenny/modules/github.py", line 55, in __init__)
22:57:48 <joepie91> ...
22:59:05 <lady-3jane> lolpie
22:59:09 <lady-3jane> i love it
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22:59:52 <joepie91> testing bot name
22:59:52 <joepie91> :P
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22:59:58 <joepie91> .startgh
23:00:00 <lolpie91> AttributeError: 'dict' object has no attribute 'timestamp' (file "/home/sven/projects/phenny/modules/github.py", line 55, in __init__)
23:00:01 <lady-3jane> soon: penispie91
23:00:02 <joepie91> what
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23:00:30 <joepie91> lady-3jane: heh
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23:00:35 <joepie91> .startgh
23:00:37 <lolpie91> AttributeError: 'time.struct_time' object has no attribute 'time' (file "/home/sven/projects/phenny/modules/github.py", line 55, in __init__)
23:00:40 <joepie91> asdfsadfasdfasdfasdf
23:01:01 <lady-3jane> ATTRIBUTES MOTHER FUCKER: KENYA FIND IT
23:02:25 <joepie91> I kinda can't, no
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23:02:55 <joepie91> .startgh
23:02:57 <lolpie91> TypeError: int() argument must be a string or a number, not 'time.struct_time' (file "/home/sven/projects/phenny/modules/github.py", line 55, in __init__)
23:03:02 <joepie91> well it was worth a try
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23:03:48 <joepie91> why is date/time handling always suck a fucking mess
23:03:51 <joepie91> regardless of language
23:03:56 <joepie91> .startgh
23:03:58 <lolpie91> Now watching GitHub.
23:04:07 <lady-3jane> I think date and time are a giant fucking mess regardless of language
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23:04:15 <joepie91> no you're not
23:04:18 <joepie91> lady-3jane: mmm
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23:04:22 <joepie91> it _can_ be done properly..
23:04:25 <joepie91> .startgh
23:04:27 <lolpie91> Now watching GitHub.
23:04:29 <joepie91> well
23:04:31 <joepie91> that's a start
23:04:35 <lady-3jane> From what I can tell, it's very hard to do it properly
23:04:37 <joepie91> let's see if this shit actually works then
23:05:21 <joepie91> inb4 boom
23:05:26 <lady-3jane> apparently there are adversaries who would think to send you malicious time data... I'm not even sure what the implications are of that
23:05:32 <joepie91> or just nothing, that's also a possibility
23:05:32 <lolpie91> joepie91 made phenny commits to 1: 'Add module for watching GitHub (hardcoded to 'joepie91' user for now)'
23:05:34 <joepie91> ...
23:05:35 <joepie91> well
23:05:36 <joepie91> ALMOST
23:05:43 <joepie91> but I certainly didn't make phenny commits to 1
23:06:09 *** Xeross is now known as Xeross|AFK
23:06:24 <lady-3jane> well that's fucking interesting
23:06:30 <lady-3jane> I have a static IP now
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23:07:37 <joepie91> .startgh
23:07:39 <lolpie91> Now watching GitHub.
23:07:42 <joepie91> wat
23:07:43 <joepie91> .startgh
23:07:47 <joepie91> hm
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23:07:58 <joepie91> .startgh
23:08:00 <lolpie91> Now watching GitHub.
23:08:01 <joepie91> .startgh
23:08:01 <lolpie91> Already watching GitHub.
23:08:04 <joepie91> k :)
23:08:19 <joepie91> well there we go then
23:08:34 <lolpie91> joepie91 made 2 commit(s) to phenny: 'Output message when already watching GitHub', 'Fix GitHub watching output'
23:09:50 <lady-3jane> lol
23:10:01 <snowy> http://www.scribd.com/doc/146930457/PRISM-Class
23:10:39 <lady-3jane> oh, yeah
23:10:48 <lady-3jane> also can you never ever ever use scribd again, thanks
23:11:33 <lady-3jane> that site is like satan incarnate
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23:13:38 <crytocc-c> I HATE my ISP.
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23:13:53 <crytocc-c> 1529MS ping
23:14:07 <lady-3jane> that's sufficient for irc
23:14:08 <crytocc-c> 0.23mbps speed.
23:14:21 <crytocc-c> No sites load, yet I'm able to use IRC, Skype
23:14:26 <lady-3jane> yep :D
23:15:02 <joepie91> .startgh
23:15:02 <joepie91> argh
23:15:04 <lolpie91> Now watching GitHub.
23:15:09 <joepie91> NOW I CAN'T TEST
23:15:23 <lady-3jane> .stopgh ?
23:16:05 <joepie91> nah
23:16:05 <joepie91> also
23:16:06 <joepie91> just realized
23:16:10 <joepie91> github also offers json
23:16:14 <joepie91> perhaps I should use that
23:16:17 <joepie91> has nicer data
23:17:48 <lady-3jane> yes
23:17:56 <lady-3jane> bracket shit, done
23:18:26 <lady-3jane> I use json for my weather script
23:18:35 <lady-3jane> cause I could do the entire data thing in one line
23:20:34 <lady-3jane> hmm
23:21:00 <lady-3jane> considering batch downloading ~180 tv episodes. would massacre my internet, but I'd move up a class
23:21:26 <lady-3jane> I have all prereqs for next userclass except I haven't downloaded enough, count wise
23:21:28 <lady-3jane> :|
23:21:56 <lady-3jane> download like all of 24, ncis, er, and friends, in SD
23:22:00 <lady-3jane> that'd probably get me there
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23:27:17 <joepie91> .startgh
23:27:18 <lolpie91> TypeError: list indices must be integers, not str (file "/home/sven/projects/phenny/modules/github.py", line 24, in parse_github_feed)
23:27:20 <joepie91> :(
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23:28:12 <joepie91> .startgh
23:28:13 <lolpie91> TypeError: list indices must be integers, not str (file "/home/sven/projects/phenny/modules/github.py", line 24, in parse_github_feed)
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23:28:38 <joepie91> .startgh
23:28:39 <lolpie91> TypeError: argument must be 9-item sequence, not datetime.datetime (file "/home/sven/projects/phenny/modules/github.py", line 49, in __init__)
23:28:42 <joepie91> :|?
23:29:00 <lady-3jane> woot?
23:29:01 * lady-3jane grins
23:29:13 <lady-3jane> excellence in failing admirably?
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23:29:35 <joepie91> .startgh
23:29:36 <lolpie91> Now watching GitHub.
23:29:39 <joepie91> :D
23:30:23 <lady-3jane> haha baller
23:30:23 <lady-3jane> Clients: Transmission/2.77; rtorrent/0.8.6/0.12.6; rtorrent/0.9.2/0.13.2
23:30:42 <lady-3jane> I'm seeding from three locations
23:30:47 <lady-3jane> fuck I have too many torrents
23:32:11 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) quick! how do I count stuff in unix cmd
23:32:21 <joepie91> wc
23:32:24 <lady-3jane> ahhk
23:32:25 <joepie91> I assume you mean output
23:32:27 <joepie91> wc -l for lines
23:32:29 <lady-3jane> yeah
23:32:31 <joepie91> wc -c (?) for characters
23:32:31 <joepie91> etc
23:32:32 <lady-3jane> hmm
23:32:35 <lady-3jane> want to ls and get a number
23:32:37 <joepie91> wc --help
23:32:38 <joepie91> :P
23:32:49 <joepie91> ls -al | wc -l
23:33:10 <lady-3jane> 119, cool
23:33:49 <lady-3jane> and 24
23:34:23 <lady-3jane> so 143 + 4908 = 5051 torrents
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23:34:41 <joepie91> let's try this shit!
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23:34:46 <joepie91> .startgh
23:34:47 <lolpie91> Now watching GitHub.
23:34:49 <lady-3jane> !dicks
23:35:18 <lolpie91> joepie91 made 3 commit(s) to 03phenny: '\u000302Use JSON instead of Atom data\u000f', '\u000302Properly check for dateutil import errors\u000f', '\u000302Add fancy colors to the output\u000f'
23:35:23 <joepie91> hm
23:35:25 <joepie91> almost!
23:35:32 <lady-3jane> close but no cigar :D
23:35:38 <joepie91> forgot to u""
23:35:39 <joepie91> lol
23:35:42 <lady-3jane> :>
23:36:31 * lady-3jane begins process of killing tabs
23:36:36 <joepie91> fff
23:36:38 <joepie91> fail!
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23:36:51 <joepie91> .startgh
23:36:52 <lolpie91> Now watching GitHub.
23:38:25 <lolpie91> 04joepie91 made 1 commit(s) to 03phenny: '02Clean code a bit'
23:38:34 <joepie91> :D
23:38:41 <joepie91> it works!
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23:39:49 <joepie91> let's see
23:39:50 <joepie91> .startgh
23:39:51 <botpie91> Now watching GitHub.
23:39:52 <joepie91> :)
23:40:04 <joepie91> code deployed to permanent phenny :D
23:42:47 <lady-3jane> :D
23:45:24 <joepie91> it'll probably only notify of master commits though :(
23:49:48 <scraepy> eh a flood bot joepie91 ?
23:50:06 <scraepy> does pong real gud
23:50:35 <joepie91> scraepy: ?
23:50:51 <joepie91> also, time to sleep
23:51:09 <scraepy> k
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