Cryto! 9 June 2013

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09:07:01 <monod> Hi-Gisss
09:07:05 <monod> (hi guys)
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09:48:09 <iceTwy> hai monod
09:49:28 <iceTwy> it had been years I hadn't woken up so early
09:49:29 <iceTwy> 8AM
09:49:30 <iceTwy> ffs
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11:01:17 <monod> I shall suggest #opfreeweb on
11:02:12 <monod> also on
11:03:55 <monod> their idea is to build an anonymous and decentralized "meshnet"
11:04:02 <monod> which would work as the internet
11:04:10 <monod> and they're doing it with cjdns
11:04:19 <monod> *afk*
11:12:39 <MK_FG> monod, Huh, they do their own cjdns-net or use hyperboria (
11:36:46 <monod> MK_FG, Hyperboria, yeah, I forgot to mention
11:40:57 <MK_FG> Heh, I'm there too
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12:13:27 <monod> oh, that's nice :)
12:14:05 <monod> I'm wondering HOW people has time to work on these things!
12:14:24 <monod> atm I only have time for studying
12:15:09 <monod> I imagine maybe in the future I'll have more time? maybe you too spent much time studying and then had the time to apply everything? boh..
12:38:18 <MK_FG> You don't study mesh networks, alternative routing theories and crypto there, I guess ;)
12:38:49 <MK_FG> Best way to "study" these seem to be just go read whitepaper, test it, build your own
12:39:03 <monod> this is another factor that demotivated me
12:39:07 <monod> in the sense that...
12:39:17 <monod> I have an "example" person
12:39:22 <monod> a "model"
12:39:23 <MK_FG> But I guess there are areas where you really need to study before applying that knowledge
12:39:50 <monod> of course there are
12:40:35 <monod> I hope one day my knowledge will be valuable and of help in these revolutionary projects
12:41:01 <monod> my supposed* knowledge, what I will be supposed to know after uni...
12:41:11 <twitchyliquid64> monod: me too :) ATM everything I teach myself is far more useful than what I learn at uni
12:42:08 <monod> twitchyliquid64, of course there are certain courses - like electrotechniques - which I can't see as a good tool for the future, but...
12:42:20 <monod> I think everything they prepare to fit in a course may turn useful
12:42:39 <twitchyliquid64> monod: whats your course?
12:43:24 <monod> anyway, I also taught myself something, but I have not reached very high levels.. It's a course called Information Engineering, it's quite an awesome and vast topic I think
12:43:30 <monod> spans lots of thigns
12:43:42 <monod> especially telecommunications and informatics
12:43:42 <twitchyliquid64> monod: nice
12:43:48 <twitchyliquid64> Im doing plain old IT
12:44:06 <twitchyliquid64> monod: so you learn how modern telecommunications systems work? phone systems?
12:44:45 <monod> twitchyliquid64: there are 3 other choices beyond those, which are "Robotics" (Automation), Bio-engineering and Electronic. To answer that, I shall say that...
12:45:03 <MK_FG> Heh, "phone systems" seem to be term describing what was there before "modern telecommunications systems" (packet switching) ;)
12:46:01 <twitchyliquid64> MK_FG: monod: so you believe modern telecommunications simply operate over the internet?
12:46:27 <MK_FG> You mean cell phones? Yes, they do
12:46:32 <monod> twitchyliquid64, I can only choose one among informatics and telecommunications, and I was pending for the former. I've also spoke with a professor who confirmed that it was a good idea to choose informatics, to remain in a more general environment than with telecoms.  btw, MK_FG is right
12:46:42 <monod> it's satellite I think
12:46:50 <monod> damn, gotta eat :)
12:46:53 <monod> back asap
12:47:01 <twitchyliquid64> thats always interested me
12:47:02 <MK_FG> I worked at telco and had a machine in the service net with all the base-stations there ;)
12:47:18 <MK_FG> It was an epic infosec fail
12:47:38 <twitchyliquid64> because it seems that the phone network backbone was obscured yet cool at the same time
12:47:47 <twitchyliquid64> and I have quite the curiousity
12:48:03 <twitchyliquid64> so is it just base stations that use IP to the interchanges then dedi lines from there?
12:48:21 <twitchyliquid64> or is it IP the WHOLE way? do base stations talk directly to each other?
12:49:04 <MK_FG> I actually don't know how they talk to each other, and have no xp with IP-based telephony like asterisk and such, so dunno too
12:49:17 <MK_FG> But they do have IPs and chat inside IP network somehow
12:49:35 <MK_FG> Maybe they just have some mesh on top of IP, dunno
12:49:50 <twitchyliquid64> so ur sure that the base stations route calls via IP thou?
12:49:52 <twitchyliquid64> *but
12:51:23 <MK_FG> They are plugged with ethernet cables into switches that lead to simple ethernet-bridge + IP net, I find it unlikely that they have some special non-ethernet layer there at the same time...
12:51:46 <MK_FG> Have something parallel to IP - maybe, dunno
12:52:02 <MK_FG> That could explain why they were bridged like that though
13:06:13 <joepie91> so, I learned yesterday that by pressing on the ground coffee in a coffee filter with a spoon, you can make the resulting coffee far more flavourful
13:06:21 <joepie91> and... that actually works!
13:06:40 <twitchyliquid64> joepie91: did you know that?
13:06:53 <twitchyliquid64> your meant to PRESS it down after you put it in
13:06:55 <twitchyliquid64> ALWAYS
13:07:08 <twitchyliquid64> there are special tools for it, most people dont use a spoon :P
13:07:26 <joepie91> french press etc, I know
13:07:35 <joepie91> a drip coffee machine doesn't put pressure on it either afaik
13:07:36 <twitchyliquid64> joepie91: also, can I get some HTML help real quick?
13:07:39 <joepie91> sure
13:08:05 <twitchyliquid64> pm
13:10:17 <joepie91> also, twitchyliquid64, it's pretty normal here to use drip methoid
13:10:18 <joepie91> method *
13:10:34 <joepie91> even when doing it manually, you typically just pour water over the ground coffee in a filter
13:11:00 <twitchyliquid64> joepie91: most people here just go to a coffe shop to get it done properly lol
13:11:04 <twitchyliquid64> or use a machine
13:11:06 <twitchyliquid64> lol
13:11:29 <joepie91> I'm pretty sure drip coffee machines (the ones that are most common here) don't actually apply pressure...
13:17:27 <crytocc-c2> hm
13:17:39 <crytocc-c2> this guys not bad.
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14:00:20 <monod> good, time for studying.
14:02:15 <monod> but before that, any suggestion for a DNS server to use?
14:06:44 <monod> or also: do you suggest OpenDNS?
14:08:49 <MK_FG> Hm, you didn't mean dns resolver daemon?
14:09:12 <MK_FG> I'd say and - teh big google brother
14:09:44 <MK_FG> OpenDNS used to give out spam IPs instead of NXDOMAIN, which was quite annoying
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14:20:45 <monod> so you're going for the big brotah
14:21:03 <AnonO_o> hai
14:21:30 <MK_FG> Yep, it loves all of us
14:21:55 <MK_FG> *terms and conditions apply
14:24:46 <monod> llullz
14:28:38 <crytocc-c2> for fuck sakes.
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16:58:32 <joepie91> well, I've decided
16:58:34 <joepie91> I like purecss
16:58:54 <joepie91> seems to be the first CSS framework to get forms right, also
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17:01:45 <joepie91> AnonyOps, hai
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17:01:59 <AnonyOps> hi
17:02:05 <AnonyOps> you see my ping joepie?
17:02:14 <joepie91> will look in a sec
17:02:19 <joepie91> you seen
17:03:06 <AnonyOps> No I haven't
17:07:17 <joepie91>
17:07:17 <joepie91> :P
17:07:21 <joepie91> I really like it so far
17:07:29 <joepie91> also seems to be the first CSS framework to get forms right
17:07:33 <joepie91> as in, entirely right
17:07:42 <joepie91> as in, no form layout headaches
17:07:42 <joepie91> :P
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17:10:48 <AnonyOps> hm, reading up on it now :p
17:20:59 <x> purecss fanboi
17:21:19 <x> ;D
17:23:00 <joepie91> x: I have no issues being a 'fanboy' for anything that makes my issues with forms go away
17:23:01 <joepie91> :)
17:23:17 <joepie91> assuming it's not ridiculously messy/shitty otherwise
17:24:30 <x> no I understand ;D
17:24:54 <x> many moons ago, I was once an asp fanboi
17:25:00 <x> then I woke up
17:25:05 <x> :D
17:25:17 <x> but nah, just playing with you :p
17:25:23 <x> purecss is win
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17:47:44 <MK_FG> joepie91, Just watched Minecraft documentary you linked the other day
17:48:05 <MK_FG> joepie91, Thanks a lot, it really is damn awesome and amaziiing!!!
17:48:11 <joepie91> it is :)
17:48:17 <joepie91> glad you liked it
17:48:36 <MK_FG> Currently, I feel it's like the most inspirational vid I ever watched
17:48:40 * joepie91 reminds that you can buy it online properly without DRM etc
17:48:43 <joepie91> MK_FG: I had the same
17:48:48 <joepie91> another good one is indie game the moie
17:48:50 <joepie91> movie *
17:48:53 <joepie91> if I recall the name correctly
17:48:56 <joepie91> it's similar in style and effect
17:49:04 <joepie91> not sure if you've seen it? it was in a humble bundle
17:49:28 <MK_FG> Probably not, never got any of these
17:49:44 <joepie91> I'll upload it, one moment :)
17:49:45 <MK_FG> Will check it out
17:49:53 <joepie91> after I figure out where exactly on my system it is
17:49:59 <MK_FG> Surely it's already there ;)
17:50:11 <joepie91> oh, it's probably on TPB etc
17:50:18 <joepie91> but not sure if that's full quality version or some shitty transcode
17:50:26 <joepie91> might as well dig up my original and upload it
17:51:15 <joepie91> also, impressed: purecss/yuilibrary have a 'security contact info' link at the bottom, leading to a dedicated page with contact information for reporting security issues
17:54:08 <joepie91> .bitcoin
17:54:09 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $99.00, 1 BTC = €76.53
17:54:12 <joepie91> @ AnonyOps2
17:54:15 <joepie91> used to be $120 a few days ago
17:54:28 <AnonyOps2> I see lol
17:55:24 <AnonyOps2> damn it has dropped then
17:55:32 <AnonyOps2> I remeber seeing it as 130 when I checked o.O
18:21:30 <monod> is it just a case or is it on purpose? starting typing "hyperboria" on google's toolbar does not give you suggestion about until you've typed "hyperbori".. and it's only the second-to-last in the list... but. In a sense, it might be better not being publicized too early, in order to not ifnlate expectations..right? what do you think?
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18:35:39 <iceTwy> monod: ping
18:35:47 <monod> back here
18:35:51 <monod> pon?
18:35:53 <monod> pong?
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18:42:27 <iceTwy> yes
18:42:27 <iceTwy> sorry
18:42:33 <iceTwy> monod: studying still?
18:42:52 <monod> I'm taking a rest
18:43:04 <iceTwy> 10h of studying straight
18:43:10 <iceTwy> woke up at 8AM, started at 8:30
18:43:18 <iceTwy> only break was shower + lunch
18:43:31 <iceTwy> AKA: finals in 1 week
18:43:37 <monod> I don't know if I can study one more hour. Did you studied that much today? :D
18:43:56 <iceTwy> Yup. I've got 4h to go
18:44:07 <iceTwy> And then, 14h/day for the next 3 days.
18:44:20 <monod> oh... gawd..
18:44:24 <iceTwy> insane
18:44:26 <iceTwy> but necessary
18:44:42 <monod> so you're taking a rest too?
18:44:43 <monod> :D
18:44:50 <monod> got this in the meanwhile
18:45:17 <iceTwy> no
18:45:18 <iceTwy> I'm not
18:45:25 <iceTwy> I can't lol
18:46:46 <monod> oh
18:46:56 <monod> my head was exploding, so I'm now taking a rest.
18:47:01 <monod> but I can study until dinner
18:47:04 <iceTwy> mine is as well
18:47:13 <iceTwy> lunch was...
18:47:16 <iceTwy> more than 7h ago
18:47:32 <monod> zomg :)
18:47:39 <iceTwy> yeah..
18:47:40 <iceTwy> x)
18:47:48 <monod> oh, why did you ping then? :D
18:48:08 <iceTwy> I was curious ;p wanted to know whether you were still studying
18:48:23 <monod> heh
18:48:31 <monod> I'm resting for some 30 minutes now
18:48:54 <monod> but I think I should rest away from keyboard
18:48:57 <monod> lulz
18:49:01 <monod> otherwise: headache
18:49:13 <monod> what are you studying?
18:49:37 <iceTwy> geography
18:49:48 <iceTwy> you?
18:49:56 <monod> physics
18:50:52 <monod> welcome back angelina!
18:51:26 <monod>
18:51:33 <monod> dunno if you knew this already guys
18:52:09 <monod> going afk!
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19:57:32 <joepie91> iceTwy: pong
20:02:41 emptyreddata (emptyred@856A53CC.B454AB78.6B89ED8F.IP) has joined #crytocc
20:04:05 <joepie91> also, emptyreddata, you may find the thing I'm working on right now to be interesting
20:04:12 <joepie91> also, hai
20:04:20 <joepie91> (context: I responded in another channel)
20:04:21 <emptyreddata> Hai lol. I probably will
20:04:34 <joepie91> todo list for overworked hackers basically
20:04:39 <emptyreddata> Sweet
20:04:43 <joepie91> you add tasks with either 'must' or 'want' as type
20:04:51 <joepie91> and it'll assign you a new task to work on every time you complete one
20:04:56 <joepie91> alternating between want (play) and must (work)
20:05:04 <iceTwy> joepie91: hai
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20:05:21 <joepie91> if it's a 'want' task, you can say "I don't want to do this" and it'll give you a different 'want' task (and leave the old one in the pool)
20:05:29 <emptyreddata> Oh cool. Is it just an idea atm or you got some code going? :)
20:05:33 <joepie91> if it's a 'must' task, you can't skip it, and have to complete it before it gives you a new one
20:05:33 <joepie91> well
20:05:36 <joepie91> I basically have it working
20:05:40 <joepie91> just need to do the login/registration thingie
20:05:45 <emptyreddata> Very nice :)
20:05:50 <joepie91> other than that, it works :P
20:05:55 <joepie91> idea is to solve two problems:
20:06:12 <joepie91> (as it assigns you a task rather than letting you choose)
20:06:19 <joepie91> B. alternating between work and play
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20:06:43 <joepie91> so you don't constantly have the weight of "I still have to do work" on your shoulders while trying to do some relaxing weekend project coding
20:06:43 <emptyreddata> Lol, it's good OPSEC to differentiate between work and play
20:07:12 <joepie91> it's also a very good way to avoid stress :)
20:07:24 <joepie91> let me make a screenshot of what I have now, one moment
20:07:54 <iceTwy> joepie91: hai before I go full caps
20:08:31 <joepie91> iceTwy: hai
20:08:33 * joepie91 takes cover
20:08:52 <iceTwy> hehe
20:09:08 <iceTwy> as we're talking about work methods
20:09:15 <iceTwy> lemme tell you how real men do it;
20:09:17 <iceTwy> 14h straight
20:09:24 <joepie91>
20:09:34 <emptyreddata> That snowden guy is in so much trouble. He has balls for leaking what he did and using his real name
20:10:00 <joepie91>
20:10:04 <emptyreddata> Damn I love the design jopie91
20:10:08 <iceTwy> joepie91:
20:10:12 <iceTwy> enjoy
20:10:14 <iceTwy> thank me later
20:10:15 <iceTwy> :3
20:10:16 <joepie91> emptyreddata: snowden guy?
20:10:28 <emptyreddata> The guy who leaked all the PRISM stuff
20:10:34 <iceTwy> joepie91: whistleblower behind PRISM
20:10:42 <joepie91> iceTwy: not open-source, doesn't have this functionality, doesn't have a proper API of which you can be sure that it won't change
20:10:43 <joepie91> etc
20:10:46 <joepie91> ah
20:10:50 <joepie91> I missed some news while coding it seems
20:10:51 <joepie91> link?
20:11:01 <joepie91> also, google calendar is _way_ too bulky :P
20:11:02 <iceTwy>
20:11:12 <iceTwy> it works just fine
20:11:19 <emptyreddata>
20:11:35 <emptyreddata> Yes it is. I'm glad you said that cause I thought I was the only one
20:11:35 <emptyreddata> xD
20:12:01 <joepie91> oh... wow, that's insane (the snowden guy)
20:12:03 <joepie91> in a good way
20:13:21 <joepie91> iceTwy; it doesn't work fine if you just need a simple todo list that tells you what to do and that has minimal distractions
20:13:35 <iceTwy> well, that's a point
20:13:38 <joepie91> plus all the other aforementioned issues :P
20:13:48 <iceTwy> now this is my agenda so it is therefore my todo list
20:13:49 <joepie91> (plus, it's Google, so datamining walhalla)
20:13:56 <iceTwy> (yes :<)
20:14:01 <iceTwy> but lemme be a google fanboy
20:14:06 <iceTwy> because I love arsing people
20:14:09 <joepie91> lol
20:14:12 <iceTwy> :D
20:15:37 <emptyreddata> So is this project of yours opensauce joepie?
20:15:51 <iceTwy> at least a cool point is that Agenda is sync'd with my Galaxy S2
20:16:02 <iceTwy> very, very, very useful
20:17:12 <joepie91> emptyreddata: yes :)
20:18:57 <emptyreddata> link? :)
20:19:09 <iceTwy> joepie91: is it coded in php?
20:19:12 <joepie91> nowhere yet :P
20:19:16 <joepie91> should finish it in a bit
20:19:17 <emptyreddata> Ah lol
20:19:18 <joepie91> watching the guardian vid first
20:19:20 <joepie91> iceTwy: yes
20:19:26 <iceTwy> joepie91: :<
20:19:41 <joepie91> lol
20:19:44 <joepie91> stop complaining :P
20:20:02 <iceTwy> prepare for a sad emote spam
20:20:03 <iceTwy> in 3
20:20:03 <iceTwy> 2
20:20:04 <iceTwy> 1
20:20:06 <iceTwy> :>
20:20:06 <iceTwy> :>
20:20:11 <joepie91> fail
20:20:14 <iceTwy> no
20:20:18 <iceTwy> intended fail
20:20:38 <emptyreddata> I wanna see if I can remake it in Go as an exercise in web app programming
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20:30:45 <joepie91> emptyreddata: :D
20:30:45 <joepie91> also
20:30:47 <joepie91> this guy is amazing
20:30:59 <emptyreddata> Snowden?
20:35:18 <joepie91> yes
20:35:24 * joepie91 uploads interview to
20:35:36 <emptyreddata> :)
20:36:35 <joepie91>
20:38:41 <joepie91> either way
20:38:43 <joepie91> back to code
20:38:45 <joepie91> want to finish it now
20:38:45 <joepie91> :P
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20:58:13 <joepie91> okay
20:58:19 <joepie91> this is starting to get strange
20:58:29 <emptyreddata> Por que?
20:58:32 <joepie91> why is it that every time I complain about outdated packages in a repository, someone goes out and upgrades it?
20:58:48 <joepie91> like a while ago, I complained on IRC in a random channel that the chrome package in the repo was a few versions out of date
20:58:53 <joepie91> few days later, a new update magically appears
20:59:04 <emptyreddata> Maybe it is just coincidence
20:59:14 <joepie91> now yesterday I was stating here that the red eclipse package in the opensuse games repo was outdated (it was 1.2, newest version was 1.4.x)
20:59:15 <joepie91> and guess what
20:59:18 <joepie91> today there's an update
20:59:25 <joepie91> red eclipse 1.4-2.1
20:59:26 <joepie91> ....
20:59:36 <joepie91> thing is, every time it jumps a few versions when this happens
20:59:37 <joepie91> :|
20:59:52 <joepie91> hasn't been updated for god knows how long, I complain, suddenly gets updated
20:59:55 <joepie91> hence mildly scary :P
20:59:58 <emptyreddata> They're watching you :3
21:00:05 <joepie91> maybe PRISM is notifying package maintainers!
21:00:06 <joepie91> haha
21:00:31 <emptyreddata> Ha. Package maintainers have prism APIs
21:00:33 <emptyreddata> xD
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21:02:16 <joepie91> well, that's the most plausible explanation for this :P
21:24:54 <joepie91> emptyreddata: there? :P
21:25:09 <joepie91> < code preview
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21:25:44 <AnonO_o> hai
21:27:37 <joepie91> slightly important remark
21:27:50 <joepie91> it does the whole try-before-signup thing by creating users on first page load with 'guest' = true
21:28:07 <joepie91> once you register, you are actually already registered, it just sets the username and password to what you entered
21:32:20 <AnonO_o> sad. I can't seem to get on any other networks without TOR timing out... even after doing new identity a few times.
21:32:44 <monod> wait a bit AnonForecast
21:32:45 <monod> ops
21:32:49 <monod> AnonO_o, *
21:33:14 <monod> got. to. go..
21:33:23 <joepie91> ttyl monod :)
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21:40:11 <emptyreddata> I like it :)
21:41:25 <AnonO_o> joe, what distro.. ubuntu's unity is pissing me off
21:47:43 <joepie91> opensuse with xfce or KDE depending on ow many resources you have
21:48:49 <joepie91> how *
21:49:04 <joepie91> and depending on whether you like KDE
21:49:21 <AnonO_o> xfce4 ok?
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21:59:07 <joepie91> yes
22:00:26 <emptyreddata> Why OpenSuse? :O
22:01:21 <joepie91> because shit just works
22:01:29 <joepie91> and keeps working
22:01:43 <joepie91> as with every distro (and Windows), there are a few things that don't work out of the box
22:01:49 <emptyreddata> Lol, I haven't tried OpenSuse yet. I have played with their OpenSuse distro lab creator thing
22:01:50 <joepie91> but 99.99% of what you try will work straight away
22:01:55 <joepie91> and more importantly
22:01:57 <joepie91> updates won't break shit
22:02:17 <joepie91> you can upgrade your kernel, packages, and distro without a care in the world because the chance that it's going to break anything is near non-existent
22:02:17 <joepie91> :p
22:02:39 <emptyreddata> I still use Ubuntu and Arch sometimes. I dislike unity so I just installed cinnamon
22:02:40 <emptyreddata> :)
22:03:10 <joepie91> (that said, it's less mod-friendly than for example Debian... changing internal stuff around is a bit more work in suse and more prone to going wrong... as long as you use pre-made packages/configurations/etc everything will be rock solid though)
22:03:13 <joepie91> heh
22:03:29 <AnonO_o> does suse use apt-get?
22:03:32 <joepie91> np
22:03:33 <joepie91> no *
22:03:34 <joepie91> it uses zypper
22:03:39 <joepie91> which works a LOT like apt, but with RPMs
22:03:46 <joepie91> lighter than yum, similar workings to apt, nicer output than both
22:03:56 <AnonO_o> learning curve?
22:03:59 <joepie91> and yast as graphical frontend
22:04:00 <joepie91> almost none :P
22:04:05 <AnonO_o> k
22:04:08 <joepie91> as for zypper, examples:
22:04:12 <joepie91> zypper install package-name
22:04:21 <joepie91> zypper install -package-i-want-gone +package-i-want-installed
22:04:25 <emptyreddata> I love pacman
22:04:30 <joepie91> zypper install package-name<=2.1
22:04:36 <joepie91> all valid commands
22:04:59 <joepie91> zypper ps will show you a list of applications that use files that have been upgraded (indicating you should restart those applications to have the updates apply)
22:05:13 <AnonO_o> I need an iPad with the retina so I could use vnc to my VM from my bed for optimum laziness.
22:05:15 <joepie91> and zypper search gives a nice table layout with search results, including whether a package is currently installed or not
22:05:42 <joepie91> and another nice point about suse (not zypper in particular) is that there's often more than one version of a package in the repo
22:05:51 <AnonO_o> otherwise the keyboard takes up most of the screen.
22:05:53 <joepie91> so if something doesn't work as it should because a dev fucked up, you can just roll back :P
22:06:03 <joepie91> AnonO_o: don't VNC clients for the ipad have a zoom thingie?
22:06:12 <joepie91> emptyreddata: haven't worked with pacman
22:06:36 <emptyreddata> It's the default on Arch linux, it's so easy to use. It's as easy as apt and similar to use
22:06:49 <AnonO_o> dunno. my dad's is the old 1st gen, so the resolution is shit
22:07:10 <AnonO_o> I was speculating that with more resolution the keyboard might be smaller?
22:08:59 <joepie91> shouldn't it just be possible to actually make the keyboard smaller...?
22:11:38 <AnonO_o> I haven't foudn out how.  his fingers are large so the buttons are more to his size
22:12:00 <AnonO_o> I could probably type on 1/2 the size
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22:17:40 <AnonO_o> guess I'll play some redeclipse while this 4G downloads.
22:17:44 <AnonO_o> thanks joe.
22:17:44 <ShadowDemon> Meow
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22:18:07 <ShadowDemon> For web development
22:18:27 <ShadowDemon> Which would be better for a CMS?  Ruby or PHP?
22:19:39 <emptyreddata> Go
22:20:12 <ShadowDemon> Why Go?
22:20:24 <emptyreddata> Cause I am lonely
22:20:25 <emptyreddata> :(
22:20:35 <emptyreddata> That and go has some cool features for web dev
22:20:37 <emptyreddata> Hard to get use to
22:20:43 <emptyreddata> But it is totally worth it :)
22:22:25 <ShadowDemon> Hmmm
22:22:30 <ShadowDemon> I suppose that would be interesting
22:23:00 <ShadowDemon> And probably pretty fast
22:23:36 <joepie91> emptyreddata: twitchyliquid64 also uses Go, iirc
22:23:37 <joepie91> :)
22:23:46 <ShadowDemon> lol
22:24:10 <ShadowDemon> yeah, twitchyliquid64 loves Go
22:24:23 <ShadowDemon> In all fairness, it is a pretty simple system
22:25:00 <joepie91> vps reinstall time!
22:36:36 <iceTwy> good
22:36:37 <iceTwy> night
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22:42:28 <ShadowDemon> lol
22:42:48 <ShadowDemon> I only reinstalled my vps because I switch to Debian 7 from 6
22:44:30 <joepie91> I'm going to be switching to 6 or 7
22:44:32 <joepie91> depending on what the host has
22:44:36 <joepie91> box is still running 5...
22:46:14 <ShadowDemon> OMG
22:46:19 <ShadowDemon> Seriously?!?
22:46:23 <ShadowDemon> lol
22:46:25 <joepie91> yes, why?
22:47:03 <ShadowDemon> It was released in the beginning of 09
22:47:07 <joepie91> you do realize that a dist-upgrade on openvz almost never goes without problems, so you have to reinstall an entire VPS to update to a new stable version?
22:47:13 <joepie91> yes, I don't see the issue with that
22:47:32 <ShadowDemon> It's not that it's a bad version
22:47:35 <joepie91> have you seen the centos support cycle?
22:48:02 <joepie91>
22:48:07 <joepie91> CentOS-5 updates until Mar 31, 2017
22:48:21 <ShadowDemon> Oh CentOS
22:48:27 <ShadowDemon> I thought you were talking Debian 5
22:48:38 <joepie91> that's 6 years after release of centos 6
22:48:39 <joepie91> I was
22:48:43 <joepie91> I was just taking centos as an example
22:48:50 <ShadowDemon>
22:48:51 <joepie91> of how just looking at the amount of years makes no sense
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22:48:58 <joepie91> and yes, I know lenny is EOL
22:49:02 <ShadowDemon> LOL
22:49:17 <joepie91> I've been slowly moving over my boxes to squeeze
22:49:38 <ShadowDemon> In all fairness, I only have 1 VPS
22:49:50 <joepie91> I have quite a few
22:50:01 <ShadowDemon> Yeah, I understand then.
22:50:08 <ShadowDemon> It's a long process
22:50:25 <joepie91> indeed
22:50:28 <joepie91> very time-consuming, very frustrating
22:50:32 <joepie91> and generally undesirable
22:50:39 <joepie91> for someone that has issues getting his code work done... :)
22:50:51 <joepie91> you can guess my attitude towards not-strictly-necessary upgrades
22:51:19 <ShadowDemon> I actually partitioned my VPS into 4 slices.  Data, Debian 6, Debian 7, and Swap.  Every so often, I would switch to Debian 7 for a progressively longer time until everything finally worked.
22:51:30 <joepie91> speaking of which
22:51:33 <joepie91> is debian 7 usable now?
22:52:06 <ShadowDemon> Debian 7 is considered Stable as of May 5th
22:52:25 <joepie91> yes, but is it _usable_
22:52:26 <joepie91> :p
22:52:33 <ShadowDemon> Yes, lol.
22:52:49 <ShadowDemon> It had a lot of updates in the beginning
22:53:04 <ShadowDemon> But now it all slowed down and everything seems to be working okay for me anyway.
22:53:14 <ShadowDemon> Although, I still haven't gotten around to install ioncube
22:55:03 <joepie91> fuck ioncube
22:55:50 <ShadowDemon> I needed it for my billing gateway, but I canceled my subscription after I upgraded to Debian 7
22:56:18 <joepie91> well, this is just very very strange... df -h and openvz control panel both say 1.5 gigs in use
22:56:28 <joepie91> but I've downloaded 10 gigs of data from that box so far
22:56:30 <joepie91> wat
22:56:55 <ShadowDemon> Weird
22:57:12 <ShadowDemon> Mine says 1.4, but that is just the OS
22:57:37 <ShadowDemon> Do you split your drive up between your OS and Misc Data
22:57:53 <joepie91> it's an openvz vps
22:58:00 <joepie91> no such thing as splitting up drive
22:58:04 <joepie91> :P
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23:04:20 <ShadowDemon> o
23:04:35 <ShadowDemon> I forgot about that
23:04:48 <ShadowDemon> I've been on Xen for quite some time
23:04:53 <ShadowDemon> brb all, nom nom time
23:07:38 <joepie91> :)
23:07:49 <joepie91> VPS reinstall almost finished..
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23:16:45 <scraepy> nevening! why fuck ioncube, isnt that for boosting performance?
23:29:21 <joepie91> scraepy: no, it's not
23:29:25 <joepie91> you're probably confused with Zend
23:29:33 <joepie91> Ioncube is shitty 'code encryption'
23:29:39 <joepie91> to try and 'prevent theft of intellectual property'
23:29:45 <joepie91> in normal people language: ineffective and obnoxious bullshit
23:29:47 <joepie91> anyway
23:29:56 <scraepy> i hap multiple php version where i can choose to handle the ion
23:29:57 <joepie91> emptyreddata, others:! :D
23:30:05 <joepie91> first version done!
23:31:28 <emptyreddata> Cool beans :). Also sent you a "buddie" request over XMPP.
23:31:44 <joepie91> I noticed :D
23:32:07 <emptyreddata> You have OTR?
23:32:41 <joepie91> yes
23:32:54 <joepie91> ofc :P
23:33:30 <emptyreddata> Lol, aye
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