Cryto! 28 May 2013

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00:09:49 <Shinji> :-)
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03:33:37 <AnonForecast> anyone seen mama?
03:45:03 <anonO_o> she was on earlier
03:48:29 <AnonForecast> ok tyvm. if anyone sees her please ask her to contact me or check her skype asap
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05:48:57 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Greets peepz
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05:54:26 <MK_FG> *Greetz
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06:02:24 <wh1t3r4bb1t> How's it going MK_FG?
06:02:49 <MK_FG> Can't complain, really
06:03:36 <MK_FG> Just +1'ed - looks like a damn good advice I wish I've read earlier
06:04:37 <MK_FG> Or at least "well put" ;)
06:24:21 <wh1t3r4bb1t> The Yeah Yeah Yeahs song Zero sums up a few points made in that article.
06:25:08 <wh1t3r4bb1t> maybe it's a stretch
06:26:21 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Self control is the problem not the inerwebz and it's wealth of info
06:28:38 <wh1t3r4bb1t> loggy, coffee?
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06:48:16 <monod> hi guys
06:48:22 <monod> I'm here to post the results of the compression
06:48:28 <monod> xz wins :Dù
06:48:32 <monod> because:
06:49:01 <monod> or, better, xz -e9 wins over paq8o6 -1
06:49:54 <monod> xz -e9: from 543 to 511, in 13 min
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06:50:35 <monod> paq8o6 -1: from 543 to ***1016.3*** (epic fail!) in... let me count the hours
06:50:50 <monod> 6 hours and 54 minutes D:
06:51:01 <monod> a very bad performance!
06:51:05 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I'm thinking I should switch from ajax to curl for these form field checks on a signup page I'm working on.
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06:51:49 * wh1t3r4bb1t facepalms
06:52:15 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Yeah, I have no idea why I even used ajax for this in the first place.
06:53:07 <MK_FG> isn't xz -9 is also kinda worthless vs "just xz"?
06:53:38 <MK_FG> As in "that -9 just makes it slower 10x with no real benefit"
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06:59:20 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Fuck. Now I realize why I used ajax. I need a damn response before they click submit.
06:59:24 * wh1t3r4bb1t sighs
07:02:17 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I suppose it's nice for the user to know that the username, email, etc. is valid before they click submit. Live validation is all the rage these days.
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07:05:11 <MK_FG> *has been all the rage since ie6 days
07:07:33 <MK_FG> TIL that crazy-paranoid-theos-openbsd openssh has single-(md5+aes) password strenghtening for ~/.ssh/id_* ;)
07:08:10 <MK_FG> Wonder how the hell these guys who use bcrypt in /etc/passwd managed to mess it up...
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12:18:29 <mama> viRal are you there?
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14:13:51 <zxcvbnm> morning
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15:14:58 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) you awake :)
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15:56:04 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Good after night.
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16:37:20 <joepie91> lady-3jane: partially
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18:16:40 <joepie91> .bitcoin
18:16:41 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $128.32, 1 BTC = €100.00
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18:39:01 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Theoretically, one could hit facebook's api to check if a username is available by writing a script without using any authorization? My guess is no but...
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18:42:30 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I'm inquiring because I'm building an api for signup verification and I don't know how I'm going to secure it yet. Ajax calls will be made with js and the user could easily read the code in firebug etc. and then mimic api calls. I was considering using an api key but it would have to be passed in the ajax call whitch makes it visible to smart people.
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19:01:13 <zxcvbnm>
19:01:57 <zxcvbnm> The association of e-mail though is still a bit ambiguous
19:22:31 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: basically, don't rely on client-side validation
19:23:10 <joepie91> client-side validation is a nice gimmick and good for userfriendliness
19:23:14 <joepie91> but it's not a security feature
19:23:20 <joepie91> and should not be treated as such
19:23:35 <joepie91> client-side validation for the userfriendliness, server-side validation for security :)
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19:36:37 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I think I came up with a secure solution for client-side validation joepie91. I'm going to test it in a few minutes.
19:39:17 <wh1t3r4bb1t> This is a long shot but it might work well, if it works at all. lol
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20:02:54 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: there's no such thing as secure client-side validation
20:02:56 <joepie91> and will never be
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20:04:27 <monod> hi boyz
20:04:58 <monod> for the final results of my compression test, visit "loggy, pointer?"
20:04:58 <wh1t3r4bb1t> the validation is server-side but the validation request is made client-side.
20:08:56 <zest> loggy, pointer?
20:08:56 <loggy>
20:12:06 <wh1t3r4bb1t> 1) Client visits page. 2) Server generates api key. 3) Server encrypts api key. 4) Server writes the encrypted key in a hidden form field. 5) Client sends ajax request with the encrypted key to api. 6) Server decrypts the api key and compares it. 7) Server allows or denies the api call.
20:13:55 * zest ajax ..
20:14:57 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Once the session expires the api key is deleted. It's secure enough to check if a username is available or the email is in use via ajax.
20:15:38 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I'm not validating login info so no big deal.
20:16:18 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: I don't see the point of 'encrypting' the 'API key'?
20:16:26 <joepie91> (what kind of encryption would you even be using?)
20:20:12 <wh1t3r4bb1t> You're right I should just limit the number of api requests per key. The encryption is overkill.
20:20:29 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: I'm not even entirely sure what problem you're trying to solve
20:20:39 <joepie91> someone bruteforcing/fuzzing users by making API calls programmatically?
20:20:48 <joepie91> to check whether a user/email is in use?
20:21:12 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I'm in love with my friends girlfriend and she loves me back so... wut do?
20:21:41 <joepie91> three-way relationship? ish
20:21:52 <joepie91> but, what was the problem you were trying to solve? :P
20:22:06 <joepie91> and I mean the technical problem
20:22:14 <joepie91> not the relationship problem
20:22:51 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I'm trying to make it difficult for someone from building a table of known usernames/emails for future brute forcing.
20:23:34 <joepie91> right
20:23:37 <joepie91> just use a session key
20:23:48 <joepie91> basically the same as CSRF protection
20:23:59 <joepie91> it won't help _terribly_ much in this case
20:24:14 <joepie91> but if you already have CSRF protection anyway, it should take almost no effort to do this
20:29:00 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I'm just going to limit the api key use to like 12. Just in case someone needs that many tries to be original.
20:29:39 <wh1t3r4bb1t> session key will be the api key
20:29:46 <wh1t3r4bb1t> but
20:29:54 <wh1t3r4bb1t> wut do about the girl
20:29:57 <wh1t3r4bb1t> ?
20:30:55 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I'm falling for her and I don't want to let a good thing slip away. Her and my friend are || this far from being completely broken up.
20:31:21 <joepie91> if you're thinking what I suspect you're thinking about
20:31:24 <joepie91> don't you dare
20:31:48 <joepie91> breaking up their relationship just to further your own would be incredibly selfish
20:32:14 <wh1t3r4bb1t> He dumped beer on her head and kicked us both out of his truck in the middle of a mountain and we had to walk 4 miles to get to our vehicles.
20:32:50 <wh1t3r4bb1t> His stated reason for doing such is that her and I "get along too well".
20:33:28 <wh1t3r4bb1t> It only brought us closer together (the kicking us out of the truck incident).
20:34:00 <joepie91> I've said all I can say on this topic
20:34:15 <joepie91> <joepie91>three-way relationship? ish
20:34:23 <joepie91> <joepie91>don't you dare
20:34:23 <joepie91> <joepie91>breaking up their relationship just to further your own would be incredibly selfish
20:34:29 <joepie91> that's my input on the matter
20:35:18 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Oh and he turned his dogs on her cat and they killed it before we got back to the vehicles. He's psycho and he admittedly beat his last gf so badly she went to the ER.
20:36:27 <wh1t3r4bb1t> So... Follow heart or stand by and let her slip away when they break up permanently?
20:37:13 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: considering your own interests, I don't think you're in the position to get them to break up, even if it is an abusive or otherwise 'bad' relationship
20:37:22 <joepie91> there's far too much potential for bias in your own favour
20:37:33 <joepie91> bring in a third party, common friend, whatever
20:37:42 <joepie91> have him try and work out the mess
20:37:52 <joepie91> s/him/them/
20:38:20 <joepie91> someone whose view is not colored by their own romantic interests
20:39:05 <joepie91> and honestly, if not pulling her out of her relationship will make her 'slip away', despite keeping in contact...
20:39:16 <joepie91> you should probably be considering whether a relationship would be a good idea in the first place
20:39:29 <wh1t3r4bb1t> They are. I'm not going to see them for at least 5 more days.
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20:42:07 <wh1t3r4bb1t> She told me she id definitely leaving him and wants to move back to her home state. That's the risk of the slipping away. If he touches her in a violent manner though, I will have to arrest him.
20:42:16 <wh1t3r4bb1t> id = is
20:42:58 <joepie91> has she said that explicitly, word for word, or is that your interpretation?
20:45:51 <wh1t3r4bb1t> She said the exact words: "I though about the situation, rabbit. I don't want him to beat me like he did his last gf. I am definitely leaving him. I am putting together an escape plan. I want to move back to my home state.".
20:47:32 <joepie91> in that case, go for it
20:47:50 <joepie91> (though I wonder why you have a friend that beats up people)
20:50:54 <wh1t3r4bb1t> When I left their cabin the other day she looked into my eyes and her eyes said I don't want you to go. He was pretending to sleep in the bedroom. I wanted to drop my shit out of my arms and hug/kiss her so badly but I don't want to make anymore problems while she is executing her escape plan.
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20:51:49 <wh1t3r4bb1t> joepie91: (though I wonder why you have a friend that beats up people) | He's not a good friend and I will never look at him as a man ever again.
20:52:03 <Cryto911> ?
20:52:51 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Cryto911...
20:52:55 <wh1t3r4bb1t> loggy, pointer!
20:52:55 <loggy>
20:53:33 <joepie91> ohai Cryto911, please be aware that this channel is publicly logged, and be sure to read the topic
20:53:37 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Full convo ^^
20:55:43 <wh1t3r4bb1t> joepie91, the shitty part about the future situation is that I work for this guy's landlord so to speak. He lives at a cabin my employer owns.
20:57:46 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Fortunately I have my own cabin on the opposite side of the same mountain and means to quit that job if things get nasty.
20:58:27 <zxcvbnm> wh1t3r4bb1t: that's some f'd up shi.
20:58:55 <zxcvbnm> The way I see it there are 2 directions this can go --> good or bad
20:59:00 <zxcvbnm> Insightful, I know
20:59:44 <zxcvbnm> Getting between a violent dude and his gf is not a good idea, IMO.
20:59:57 <zxcvbnm> Making the proper persons aware of that violent dude is a good idea
21:00:10 <zxcvbnm> Giving him a reason to target you, not a good idea
21:01:03 <zxcvbnm> But if you get along with this girl (you obviously care about her) then you should do what you can to keep both of you safe
21:02:11 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I agree zxcvbnm. He already spites me and blames me and her for his self control and anger problem. I'm not getting between them. In fact I never have made a pass at his girl nor have I even hinted that I liked her as more than a friend. I didn't like her as more than a friend until after he pulled his bullshit and me and her spent the next morning talking and sharing interests.
21:04:19 <zxcvbnm> Yea, well it's cool you had a connection with her :) albeit, under less than desirable circumstances
21:05:19 <wh1t3r4bb1t> In the event that he becomes violent towards her or myself I will restrain him and take him to the sheriff's office with her and my statements and let the law handle him. he has a felony for beating his last wife or gf and he will be locked up.
21:05:52 <zxcvbnm> I hope it doesn't come to that
21:06:04 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I can't believe he would treat this girl like he did. She is an 11 IMO.
21:06:23 <zxcvbnm> Some guys are total douches
21:06:37 <zxcvbnm> And have other underlying issues
21:06:51 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Like myself when I argue with joepie91? :P
21:07:19 <zxcvbnm> Ha, perhaps similar :P
21:07:49 <zxcvbnm> But, I am like you, I can't believe how any guy can abuse a girl
21:07:56 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I'm non-violent but I do occasionally make douche-ish statements when we argue (me and joe). -_-
21:08:21 <zxcvbnm> Douchin around with your friends is fine :P
21:09:20 <zxcvbnm> omg
21:09:27 <wh1t3r4bb1t> First of all almost any guy is stronger than his gf. Granted there are exceptions but in general... Beaters and cheaters are the lowest forms of life IMO.
21:09:37 <zxcvbnm> fuck this TrendMicro "white paper" i just lost 3 minutes of my life
21:10:09 <wh1t3r4bb1t> "white paper"?
21:10:27 <zxcvbnm> wh1t3r4bb1t: Sometimes cheaters aren't malicious, -- more neglectful of other person's feelings & selfish
21:10:46 <wh1t3r4bb1t> true^^
21:10:48 <zxcvbnm> Not always, just saying, from experience
21:11:46 <zxcvbnm> I don't know how to exactly define white paper, it's basically a company/organization's analysis of a topic related to InfoSec
21:11:58 <zxcvbnm> like this one, which is pretty weak, is entitled "ATP Lateral Movement"
21:12:06 <zxcvbnm>
21:12:48 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Will reading it be a waste of time?
21:12:49 <monod> gotta goooo
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21:12:57 <zxcvbnm> yes
21:12:58 <zxcvbnm> don't read that
21:13:05 <zxcvbnm> That's an example of a bad white paper
21:14:09 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Ahh, well, most of the people who write those things are douches. haha
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21:15:48 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I had to read some similar docs when I worked for a telecom company and they were always full of obvios statements and occasional misinformation.
21:16:10 <wh1t3r4bb1t> obvious*
21:17:13 <zxcvbnm> Yeah
21:17:31 <zxcvbnm> Sometimes they have good stuff in 'em.. Kaspersky has good analysis papers
21:17:41 <zxcvbnm> Technical with lots of screenshots, md5s, dns names, domains, etc etc
21:18:02 <zxcvbnm> which allows me to check for the existence of the same bad juju in my network
21:18:52 <joepie91> <zxcvbnm>I don't know how to exactly define white paper, it's basically a company/organization's analysis of a topic related to InfoSec
21:18:58 <joepie91> I think I have a better definition
21:19:23 <zxcvbnm> Gladly welcome one
21:19:29 <wh1t3r4bb1t> It's all about value. I can't believe some people get paid so well to write shity analysis papers.
21:19:52 <joepie91> "promotional document that states a 'problem' that may or may not be imagined into existence for the purpose of selling the publishers services, followed by an in-depth analysis of said problem and explanation of how the services offered by publisher solve this possibly non-existent problem"
21:20:08 <joepie91> that seems to cover 99.9999% of whitepapers I've seen
21:20:24 <joepie91> :P
21:20:30 <zxcvbnm> Yeah
21:20:33 <zxcvbnm> I think that's a fair estimate
21:21:07 <zxcvbnm> Here's a problem that possibly exists, here's a theoretical solution, here's how we made our commercial product better than that solution that we just made up!
21:21:18 <joepie91> lol
21:22:07 <zxcvbnm> I actually saw the CTO of Gazzang give a talk about encryption and key management for the cloud
21:22:13 <zxcvbnm> And that's effectively what he did
21:24:04 <zxcvbnm> Smart guy though, does a lot for open source
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21:25:29 <zxcvbnm> The concept he was discussing was pretty cool. It involves bringing in a "trustee" to your key management
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21:48:35 <joepie91>
21:48:46 <joepie91> cc zxcvbnm lady-3jane
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21:49:50 <zxcvbnm> oooo hooo hehehe
21:49:54 <zxcvbnm> see what I did there?
21:53:00 <zxcvbnm> joepie91: I am so confused at what I am looking at
21:53:18 <joepie91> zxcvbnm: lol
21:53:20 <joepie91> also
21:53:23 <joepie91> those are pictures
21:53:25 <joepie91> of the Internet Archive
21:53:31 <joepie91> the physical representation of
21:54:09 <joepie91> the building from the outside:
21:54:17 <zxcvbnm> Oh I saw the main room which looks like a church..
21:54:46 <joepie91> also, zxcvbnm, watch this:
21:55:18 <zxcvbnm> are you a wimp frequenter
21:55:49 <joepie91> no, not really
21:56:01 <joepie91> they just happen to have a good video
21:56:02 <joepie91> :p
21:56:03 <zxcvbnm> ya
21:56:52 <zxcvbnm> ahh yeah
21:56:58 <zxcvbnm> I've seen that now, it's all coming back to me
21:59:04 <zest> to play with random videos is fun
22:00:04 <zest> moon, naked mouse, old man play with shadows, madness
22:01:25 <zest> One of the best Football interceptions this year. LOL :D
22:01:51 <zxcvbnm> I !love the way Windows names some executables: C:\Windows\WinSxS\amd64_microsoft-windows-servicingstack_31bf3856ad364e35_6.2.9200.16455_none_624a7aa150f57306\TiWorker.exe
22:03:06 <joepie91> zxcvbnm: and people are surprised that computer users cannot distinguish between a legitimate system application and malware...
22:04:17 <zxcvbnm> joepie91: If I had a nickel for every *.exe I executed "strings" against to see if there was malicious code in it
22:04:30 <joepie91> zxcvbnm: then you'd now have 15 cents
22:04:36 <joepie91> :P
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22:07:25 <zxcvbnm> joepie91: The worst is when I'm doing forensics on 10 GB worth of text and after 30 minutes of reading one meaningless error/warning/info after another... only to find out the time wasn't synced right and it was the wrong 3 minutes
22:08:11 <zxcvbnm> Wrong 3 minute window of code logging*
22:08:45 <zxcvbnm> long story short, clock syncing is important
22:09:02 <joepie91> hah
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22:09:39 <ShadowDemon> Meow
22:09:47 <ShadowDemon> Back on Debian 7 :D
22:10:10 <ShadowDemon> I love linux.  I can't stand being on Windows for too long, but sadly I have to switch to it for Visual Studio or Photoshop
22:10:48 <zxcvbnm>
22:10:57 <zxcvbnm> Ahhh reminds me of the good ol' days
22:11:15 <zest> ShadowDemon: I use virtual machine if needed win environment
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22:31:30 <ShadowDemon> I'm attempting to do the same right now
22:31:35 <ShadowDemon> Looking for a Windows CD :P
22:32:44 <zest> what you use, virtual box ?
22:32:52 <ShadowDemon> Yeah
22:33:39 <ShadowDemon> zxcvbnm: Regardless of the ssl issue, Debian still works perfectly on all my systems and is wonderful for development.
22:37:06 <zest>
22:38:33 <joepie91> ShadowDemon : WINE is getting better and better
22:38:38 <joepie91> especially when combined with PlayOnLinux
22:38:51 <joepie91> with some messing around I can basically get just about any Windows game to run
22:39:03 <joepie91> I'd expect general application support to have improved also
22:39:30 <zest> wine take additional system resources
22:39:36 <ShadowDemon> I'm not a gamer though
22:40:09 <zest> this is more about popularity I think
22:40:23 <ShadowDemon> o
22:40:44 <zxcvbnm> ShadowDemon: Oh I was just joking around :) Someone I know was talking about that Debian bug today
22:41:00 <zxcvbnm> ShadowDemon: I was reminded of it when you mentioned it
22:41:23 <ShadowDemon> Personally, I don't want to run Windows apps in Linux.  I'd rather not convolute my system.  :P
22:41:31 <joepie91> zest: extra resources needed by WINE are minimal, in my experience
22:41:49 <joepie91> bf actually has The Sims 3 running smoother on Linux via WINE than it did on Windows...
22:42:56 <ShadowDemon> zxcvbnm: I know silly.  It has its share of issues just like everything else, but the bottom line is that it has never let me down for any of my computer needs.  It has also never crashed on me *knock on wood*
22:43:29 <ShadowDemon> joepie91: I don't doubt it.  Windows has so many unnecessary resources used up just to be idle.
22:43:39 <zxcvbnm> Just like everything else? ha, name me one Windows version that has issues.
22:43:50 <zxcvbnm> Mhm, times up
22:43:54 <zxcvbnm> Just as I suspected
22:44:46 <ShadowDemon> My Windows rarely crashes.  It only does so when I use it.
22:45:00 <ShadowDemon> Other than that, its great.  :P
22:48:23 <zxcvbnm> ha
22:48:24 <zxcvbnm> zinnng
22:50:25 <joepie91> <zxcvbnm>Just like everything else? ha, name me one Windows version that has issues.
22:50:27 <joepie91> uh...
22:50:32 <joepie91> every version since 95?
22:50:47 <zxcvbnm> I don't think you got the memo joepie91.
22:50:47 <zxcvbnm> 22:46 < zxcvbnm> Mhm, times up
22:51:46 <zxcvbnm> Everyone knows ME & Vista were the best OS since OpenBSD
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23:03:21 <zxcvbnm> ciao
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23:20:06 <zest> NT
23:20:59 <zest> 4.0
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23:31:54 <joepie91> NT 4.0 couldn't run half the games, same for a bunch of other applications
23:31:57 <joepie91> I'd call that a problem
23:32:21 <joepie91> sure, it was pretty good stability-wise
23:32:34 <joepie91> but if application support sucks...
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