Cryto! 27 April 2013

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00:06:00 <anoncummings> whats crytocc research ?
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12:28:22 <zest> .bitcoin
12:28:23 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $136.34, 1 BTC = €106.80
13:37:26 <joepie91>
13:37:32 <joepie91> automated uploading successful! :D
13:41:38 <ilikeapricot> joepie91: :)
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15:04:18 <devslashrnd> ohai
15:07:13 <joepie91> hai
15:16:33 <anonO_o> hai joe :)
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15:22:51 * lady-3jane bobbles
15:27:04 * anonO_o boobies
15:43:08 <lady-3jane> you can bobble those too, yes
15:45:09 <joepie91> lady-3jane:
15:45:48 * lady-3jane click
15:45:57 <lady-3jane> leleleleeeeeeee
15:45:58 <lady-3jane> :D
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16:27:19 <joepie91> lady-3jane: just dug up a few CDs
16:27:22 <joepie91> filled with older rips
16:27:24 <joepie91> from ahdjs
16:27:30 <joepie91> but some disc damage
16:27:36 <joepie91> so I guess I'll be recovering stuff again...
16:27:41 * lady-3jane grins
16:27:47 <lady-3jane> good work joepie91 :)
16:29:10 <joepie91> polishing and ddrescue time!
16:29:23 * lady-3jane grins
16:29:24 <joepie91> also spit through my old HDDs
16:29:26 <joepie91> to find any old recordings\
16:29:36 <joepie91> will look for RAR'd ones in a moment
16:29:43 <lady-3jane> :>
16:29:43 * joepie91 has been hoarding data since he first touched a computer
16:29:51 <joepie91> I literally have some of the first files I've ever made
16:29:55 <joepie91> on a HDD somewhere
16:29:57 <lady-3jane> I do too, but I don't have old harddrives
16:30:02 <lady-3jane> it's just all on the new harddrives
16:30:04 <joepie91> heh
16:30:10 <lady-3jane> I get bigger ones over time
16:30:14 <joepie91> my homeserver actually have a floppy drive
16:30:14 <joepie91> :D
16:30:23 <lady-3jane> I think I have one of those somewhere
16:30:25 <joepie91> right now, I have:
16:30:28 <lady-3jane> in a box, just in case
16:30:34 <joepie91> 1 x 1TB Western Digital Caviar Blue
16:30:43 <joepie91> 1 x 500GB Samsung something
16:30:54 <joepie91> 1 x 250GB Maxtor something that's on its way to death
16:31:05 <joepie91> 1 x 200GB Maxtor something that's on its way to death
16:31:15 <joepie91> 1 x 20GB Western Digital something that somehow is still alive and kicking
16:31:32 <lady-3jane> I've got 2x 1tb wd black, and 1x1tb wd blue
16:31:41 <joepie91> I'll probably have the 1TB one in my desktop, along with a 250GB one for storing random unimportant shit
16:31:44 <joepie91> torrents, whatever
16:31:52 <joepie91> and a 500GB + 200GB + 20GB in the homeserver
16:31:58 <lady-3jane> one of the black's is only torrents
16:31:59 <joepie91> the 20GB is the OS disk for that box
16:31:59 <joepie91> :p
16:32:01 <joepie91> heh
16:32:06 <lady-3jane> and it's almost full
16:32:09 <joepie91> I'm quite happy about my caviar blue, really
16:32:18 <joepie91> disk speeds are pretty good
16:32:31 <lady-3jane> agh I'm chatting in 3 channels right now
16:32:32 <lady-3jane> this is so hard
16:32:33 <lady-3jane> lol
16:32:36 <joepie91> I can happily swap, torrent, copy shit over, and rip disks at the same time
16:32:40 <joepie91> without performance loss
16:32:45 <lady-3jane> nice :D
16:32:49 <joepie91> and torrenting is quite heavy here
16:32:53 <joepie91> as I'm on 100mbit fiber
16:32:53 <joepie91> lol
16:32:54 <lady-3jane> My mobo is not good enough for that
16:33:12 <lady-3jane> controllers are old and slow
16:33:33 <joepie91> if I recall correctly, I have some cheapshit nVidia mobo, which is actually a rebranded ASRock, which is actually made by Asus
16:33:34 <joepie91> lol
16:33:44 <joepie91> I traced it back a few years ago
16:33:44 <lady-3jane> lulz
16:33:47 <joepie91> anyway
16:33:49 <joepie91> old cheap thing
16:33:51 <lady-3jane> I have an old asrock vista mobo
16:34:02 <joepie91> this desktop has an AMD Athlon X2 with 2GB of RAm
16:34:04 <joepie91> lol
16:34:06 <joepie91> RAM *
16:34:09 <joepie91> I quite like ASRock
16:34:13 <lady-3jane> It was... 32$ in 2009 or so
16:34:16 <joepie91> generally very reliable stuff, and dirt cheap
16:34:19 <lady-3jane> yes
16:34:29 <lady-3jane> I'm not sure why it still runs, but it do
16:34:35 <joepie91> haha, exactly
16:34:40 <joepie91> "this thing should have been long dead..."
16:34:48 <joepie91> I've actually never had an ASRock mobo break
16:34:58 <joepie91> they've always simply become too old to be usable before they had a chance to break
16:35:07 <joepie91> but most of my hardware has that issue
16:35:25 <joepie91> and considering how long I use old hardware... that's a pretty impressive lifespan
16:35:31 * anonO_o sits in the corner with her macbook pro oblivious to a maxtor
16:35:38 <joepie91> this desktop has been running 24/7 for over 6 years now
16:35:49 <joepie91> under quite heavy loads. too
16:35:56 <joepie91> it simply won't break
16:36:09 <lady-3jane> yeah
16:36:30 <joepie91> I'm actually not terribly surprised at it... I bought this from a specialized computer store in NL back when it existed
16:36:33 <joepie91> it was their own 'brand'
16:36:44 <lady-3jane> I'm excited about a new computer... but I'm still waiting for the processor I want
16:36:47 <joepie91> it went bankrupt because of megastores, sadly :(
16:36:56 <joepie91> but those guys really knew wtf they were doing
16:37:17 <joepie91> their 'storefront' consisted of one counter and one rack with a few accessories
16:37:31 <lady-3jane> some 6 or 8 core with 1.5-2ghz per core and under 45watt tdp
16:37:42 <joepie91> you could order a standard PC according to their own build, specify custom components, and they'd disassemble, modify, reassemble, and test it right in front of you
16:37:58 <joepie91> and you could ask them any question about any OS really, and they'd have an answer
16:37:58 <joepie91> heh
16:37:59 <lady-3jane> heh
16:38:12 <joepie91> on top of all that, they were dirt cheap
16:38:17 <joepie91> I paid... 420 euro? for this desktop
16:38:46 <lady-3jane> :O
16:38:51 <joepie91> that's, what? 70 euro a year?
16:38:52 <joepie91> :P
16:38:54 <joepie91> oh, not entirely fair
16:39:00 <joepie91> I did add in an extra GFX card
16:39:01 <joepie91> for 60 euro
16:39:07 <joepie91> so probably like 80 euro a year or something
16:39:08 <lady-3jane> so 75/yr
16:39:09 <lady-3jane> lol
16:39:12 <joepie91> also possible
16:39:22 <joepie91> don't have a calc handy, too lazy to type `python` into terminal
16:39:27 <joepie91> :P
16:39:32 <lady-3jane> my roommate was asking if it was a good idea to spend 120$ on a second monitor
16:39:37 <joepie91> depends
16:39:42 <lady-3jane> this was a year ago
16:39:43 <joepie91> if it's a Samsung, yes
16:39:46 <lady-3jane> it's a dell
16:39:49 <joepie91> then, no
16:39:53 <lady-3jane> yes
16:39:55 <lady-3jane> it is
16:40:01 <lady-3jane> he's an architecture student
16:40:04 <joepie91> I am not impressed by the lifespan of Dell monitors
16:40:19 <joepie91> and with $120 you're definitely not talking about their professional grade monitors
16:40:22 <lady-3jane> I asked "will having two screens more than double your productivity?"
16:40:24 <lady-3jane> "yes"
16:40:25 <joepie91> (if they still carry those...)
16:40:39 <joepie91> lol
16:40:44 <joepie91> Samsung > * for monitors, imo
16:40:53 <lady-3jane> "and is 25$/year worth that much productivity increase?"
16:41:04 <lady-3jane> what is professional grade
16:41:12 <joepie91> well, that's the thing - a Dell monitor is *probably* not going to last 5 yers
16:41:16 <joepie91> years *
16:41:16 <lady-3jane> they are very nice monitors
16:41:17 <joepie91> without defects
16:41:37 <joepie91> and with professional grade I mean the more expensive shit you can't buy in your local computer store, with proper build quality etc
16:41:53 <lady-3jane> I have never bought that kind of hardware
16:41:55 <joepie91> while the Dell monitors are nice in terms of picture, the build quality is meh
16:42:03 <joepie91> you may get lucky and have one that lasts forever
16:42:04 <lady-3jane> dells are my gold standard for monitors that last >_>
16:42:09 <joepie91> but I've seen the majority of Dell monitors break down often
16:42:12 <joepie91> the TFTs etc that is
16:42:18 <joepie91> CRTs were indestructible
16:42:22 <lady-3jane> yes
16:42:33 <joepie91> (Dell monitors are very frequently used by schools, companies etc in the Netherlands)
16:42:36 <lady-3jane> he got an led screen
16:42:39 <joepie91> (because volume discounts)
16:42:39 <lady-3jane> well, two
16:42:40 <lady-3jane> lol
16:44:09 <joepie91> (ddrescue time!)
16:44:43 <anonO_o> I can't wait to see 4k monitors
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16:44:47 <lady-3jane> (!:D)
16:44:50 <lady-3jane> er
16:44:51 <joepie91> oh damnit
16:44:55 <lady-3jane> bumf
16:44:56 <joepie91> what's that all about
16:45:00 <joepie91> that looks like a kernel panic again :|
16:45:19 <joepie91> or perhaps not..
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16:45:36 <joepie91> meh, just connection derp
16:47:34 <anonO_o> I got a raspberry pi to play with
16:48:31 <anonO_o> took forever to get a power supply because the one that I ordered was defective
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17:46:21 <Angelina> Ahoy
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18:57:55 <monod> trying the GIMP.
19:03:21 <joepie91> monod: have you tried Inkscape?
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19:03:47 <joepie91> loggy, pointer?
19:03:47 <loggy>
19:03:48 <monod> yes man :) joepie91
19:03:50 <joepie91> ah, it's still alive
19:04:03 <joepie91> okay :)
19:04:05 <monod> ncie one
19:04:06 <joepie91> also, monod
19:04:08 <monod> nice*
19:04:11 <joepie91> you might find this interesting:
19:04:16 <joepie91>
19:04:30 <monod> going to check that!
19:04:46 <joepie91> it includes a few livesets from 2005, and there's such a big difference between what electronic music was like in 2005, and what it's like now
19:04:49 <joepie91> it's insane
19:04:56 <joepie91> also has some 2006 stuff
19:05:01 <joepie91> and soon also some 2003-2004 stuff
19:05:17 <monod> oh, lawl!
19:05:21 <joepie91> (I'm actually attempting to recover a disk with old livesets as we speak)
19:05:54 <monod> ohh, good job :)
19:07:52 <monod> oh, audio problems for me :(
19:09:28 <ElectRo`> early 2000s was progressive progressive progressive
19:09:58 <joepie91> I quite liked the music back then, though
19:10:08 <joepie91> I'm sad that I didn't save more of the AHDJs livesets
19:10:12 <joepie91> there were some really really good ones...
19:10:28 <joepie91> I did notice that in particular DJ Neuro and Darthii seem to play more of that kind of music still
19:12:56 <joepie91> such as
19:13:06 <joepie91> and
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19:15:19 <anonnews298> hello
19:15:31 <joepie91> hello, welcome to #crytocc, this is a publicly logged channel
19:15:34 <joepie91> please read the topic
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19:15:49 <anonnews298> where is the topic
19:15:55 <joepie91> close to the top of the page
19:16:04 <joepie91> the bit that starts with "Cryto Coding Collective"
19:16:05 <AnonyOps> hi
19:16:09 <joepie91> ohai AnonyOps
19:16:16 <AnonyOps> K get this
19:16:22 <AnonyOps> I need halp
19:16:30 <joepie91> AnonyOps:
19:16:31 <ElectRo`> im listening to Progressive Melodys (AndreasAndreas, 09 Apr 2006)
19:16:31 <AnonyOps> You know what third normal form is joepie?
19:16:38 <joepie91> ElectRo`: same :P
19:16:40 <AnonyOps> for databases
19:16:42 <joepie91> AnonyOps: no idea
19:16:46 <AnonyOps> mm
19:16:48 <AnonyOps> k one sec
19:16:54 <joepie91> sounds like an English language thingie
19:16:55 <AnonyOps> Tell me if this makes sense
19:16:57 <joepie91> "third normal form"
19:17:04 <AnonyOps> B.      The office has decided that there are times when two (or more) vets are needed in an appointment.  Revise as necessary.  Give the DBDL for all tables in the revised database and draw an entity-relationship diagram.
19:17:04 <AnonyOps> OfficeVisit (OfficeVisitId, VisitTime, PetId, VisitReason, VisitTreatment,                    VisitCharge, VetId)
19:17:04 <AnonyOps> Vet (VetId,  FirstName, LastName, Street, City, State,        ZipCode)
19:17:17 <anonnews298> what do you guys think of the boston bombing
19:17:23 <AnonyOps> officevisit and vet being a table
19:17:33 <AnonyOps> first fields being primary keys
19:17:51 <joepie91> AnonyOps: any particular reason for not calling the primary key field `Id`
19:17:53 <joepie91> without a prefix?
19:17:57 <AnonyOps> cuz my teach is a cunt
19:18:01 <AnonyOps> *teacher
19:18:09 * anonnews298 slaps loggy around a bit with a large fishbot
19:18:09 <AnonyOps> yelled at me before for naming it just `id`
19:18:10 <joepie91> I generally use `Id` to refer to primary key, and `PrefixId` to refer to a relationship with another table
19:18:12 <joepie91> much clearer
19:18:14 <joepie91> eh
19:18:19 <joepie91> tell them to stfu
19:18:29 <AnonyOps> lol wish I could.
19:18:34 <anonnews298> who
19:18:34 <joepie91> there's absolutely no need to call it VetId
19:18:35 <joepie91> and you can
19:18:44 <joepie91> anonnews298: as of yet, I have no particular opinion on the boston bombing
19:18:59 <AnonyOps> This is my final exam, not risking that for the grade :p
19:18:59 <joepie91> I've not seen enough reliable information to make a judgment
19:19:10 <joepie91> AnonyOps: and this is why curriculum education is bad
19:19:21 <AnonyOps> Yep, I agree.
19:19:28 <anonnews298> Joepie91 i dont understand why the goverment would do such a thing
19:19:29 <joepie91> you have no interest in doing it properly, you have an interest in getting a high grade - which is what you're required to do by said curriculum system
19:19:40 <AnonyOps> ^
19:19:42 <AnonyOps> mgm
19:19:44 <AnonyOps> mhm*
19:20:04 <joepie91> anonnews298: it has not been proven that it was a government, to my knowledge, and to be perfectly honest, I have absolutely no desire to delve into conspiracy theories
19:20:05 <AnonyOps> ^ this
19:20:19 <joepie91> I can either speculate without having the relevant information for ages and sit back complaining about how bad everything is
19:20:28 <joepie91> or I can actually roll up me sleeves and get shit done
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19:20:37 <AnonyOps> ^ LOL
19:20:39 <joepie91> well, that was clear
19:20:44 <joepie91> my sleeves* btw
19:21:00 <AnonyOps> Anyhow, any advice on this question?
19:21:04 <joepie91> right
19:21:04 <joepie91> so
19:21:05 <joepie91> first off
19:21:11 <joepie91> why the FUCK is everything prefixed with Visit
19:21:19 <AnonyOps> Because in my opinion, if two vets visited the same appointment, why wouldn't there just be two records?
19:21:48 <joepie91> because the appointment is one thing
19:21:49 <joepie91> not two
19:21:53 <joepie91> so, create an additional table
19:21:57 <joepie91> that holds the relationships
19:21:59 <joepie91> VetAssignments
19:22:07 <AnonyOps> like vet id of 1 visited appointment id of 1 and vet id of 2 also visited id of 1.
19:22:15 <joepie91> one Id row, one VetId row, one VisitId row
19:22:17 <joepie91> er
19:22:21 <joepie91> column, sorry
19:22:31 <joepie91> your current structure only allows to specify one vet
19:22:33 <joepie91> per office visit
19:22:44 <joepie91> you will need a separate relationship table to specify multiple vets
19:22:45 <AnonyOps> Ahhh I see
19:23:02 <AnonyOps> Idk why I couldn't think of that o.O
19:23:15 <joepie91> you're going to run across this scenario far more often :)
19:23:24 <joepie91> whatever you do, these are the things that you should NEVER EVER do:
19:23:36 <joepie91> * Store JSON or other serialized data in one field to represent an array
19:23:50 <joepie91> * Add columns like VetOne and VetTwo etc
19:23:55 <joepie91> both of those are eternal sins
19:24:12 <joepie91> the first one incurs a serious performance hit as well as limiting query functionality
19:24:20 <joepie91> the second one kills your scalability instantly
19:24:36 <joepie91> because either you are limited in the amount of vets you can add
19:24:40 <AnonyOps> I'll try and keep that in mind!
19:24:44 <joepie91> or you add a shitload of columns, and your table becomes a mess
19:24:50 <AnonyOps> yeah
19:24:51 <joepie91> so just stay clear of those two things, and you should be fine :P
19:25:00 <joepie91> relationship tables are typically a good solution
19:25:11 <joepie91> but yeah, have you looked at the link? :D
19:25:46 <AnonyOps> oh no I forgot, loading now,.
19:26:25 <joepie91> I'm mass-uploading all the stuff from the AHDJs archive
19:26:34 <joepie91> and I'm working on book scanning and postprocessing as well
19:26:36 <joepie91> plus disc recovery
19:26:37 <joepie91> :)
19:26:57 <AnonyOps> christ man lol
19:27:35 <AnonyOps> Pretty cool site though
19:27:41 <AnonyOps> I can see how this would be useful
19:28:33 <AnonyOps> Why is the about tab active when you search?
19:29:07 <joepie91> idk? :P
19:29:10 <joepie91> it's not my site
19:29:13 <joepie91> I'm just uploading stuff
19:29:21 <joepie91> it's the Internet Archive :)
19:29:24 <AnonyOps> Yeah I just noticed that after I said it
19:29:28 <AnonyOps> At first I thought you made it lol
19:29:56 <AnonyOps> You have a script doing it I assume?
19:31:12 <joepie91> for the audio uploads, yes
19:31:23 <joepie91> the disc recovery and upload is manual work
19:31:30 <joepie91> and the book scanning and processing is partially automated
19:31:45 <joepie91> I wrote a script for scanning books that lets me just flip the page, and hit space
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19:31:54 <joepie91> and it automatically numbers the scans and puts them in one directory
19:31:57 <Angelina> scantailor
19:32:00 <Angelina> ?
19:32:00 <joepie91> no
19:32:02 <joepie91> that's what I use afterwards
19:32:07 <joepie91> ScanTailor is what I use for postprocessing
19:32:16 <joepie91> it can do some things automatically, but it drops the ball quite often on comics
19:32:19 <Angelina> ohh
19:32:20 <joepie91> so they need a lot of manual adjustments
19:32:38 <joepie91> in particular despeckling, picture regions on mixed content pages, and rotation are things it has issues with
19:32:53 <joepie91> it's partially automated, the rest I do by hand
19:32:59 <joepie91> and the uploading for that is manual
19:33:04 <joepie91> the uploading for the audio is also automated
19:33:15 <joepie91> (although I classify stuff by hand, but I was already doing that for my AHDJs archive :P)
19:34:19 <joepie91> AnonyOps, Angelina, there is one comic scan that is done particularly well
19:34:32 <joepie91> I put a lot of time into manual editing, and the margins are actually set correctly here:
19:34:38 <joepie91>
19:35:07 <joepie91>
19:35:24 <AnonyOps> Tis' loadin
19:35:36 <joepie91> yeah, it seems to be a bit slow right now
19:35:48 <AnonyOps> Yeah o.O
19:35:56 <joepie91> you can also grab the PDF here:
19:36:11 <joepie91> oh, the online reader works now
19:36:37 <joepie91> :)
19:37:39 <joepie91> note that this is a comic from 1989 (!)
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19:39:01 <anonO_o> and the whole dutch thing
19:39:03 <AnonyOps> damn lol
19:39:23 <joepie91> but yeah, this is the kind of quality that scantailor outputs :)
19:39:26 <joepie91> in fact
19:39:28 <joepie91> one moment
19:40:08 <joepie91> AnonyOps: the original scans are included
19:40:10 <joepie91> non-processed
19:40:40 <joepie91>
19:40:50 <joepie91> (it's listed here:
19:41:00 <monod> (protip: never import 29 images into gimp with one command.)
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19:43:00 <AnonyOps> joepie... that thing is massive
19:43:22 <AnonyOps> 500+ mb
19:43:31 <joepie91> AnonyOps: you call that massive? :P
19:43:40 <joepie91> one other scan I uploaded was 6GB in total
19:43:47 <joepie91> for original + postprocessed
19:43:58 <AnonyOps> :o
19:44:31 <joepie91>
19:44:40 <joepie91> postprocessed version is 5 gigs
19:44:50 <joepie91> original scans are 1.5 gigs
19:45:09 <AnonyOps> lol...
19:47:07 <joepie91> AnonyOps: I'm currently processing another scan
19:47:11 <joepie91> let me check the size of the originals
19:47:37 <joepie91> 721MB
19:48:13 <AnonyOps> heh
19:48:20 <AnonyOps> crazy
19:48:30 <AnonyOps> hope they have a lot of storage on their servers
19:48:30 <AnonyOps> haha
19:48:38 <joepie91> they kinda do
19:49:50 <Angelina> Oh good thanks
19:50:22 <joepie91> AnonyOps:
19:50:34 <joepie91> yes, they have had a 10 petabyte party
19:50:37 <AnonyOps> noah my gawd
19:51:12 <AnonyOps>
19:51:33 <joepie91> AnonyOps: one moment
19:51:43 <joepie91> I have something awesome
19:51:57 <joepie91>
19:51:59 <joepie91> @ AnonyOps
19:52:28 <Angelina> I wonder if they EMP shield the Internet Archive
19:52:38 <AnonyOps> lmao
19:52:43 <AnonyOps> watching
19:53:12 <Angelina> joepie : those scans came out excellent as thou brand new
19:53:39 <joepie91> Angelina: I know, isn't ScanTailor awesome? :)
19:53:44 <joepie91> and I'm quite careful with my stuff
19:53:49 <joepie91> so all my old comics are in great state
19:53:53 <joepie91> or well, almost all
19:54:20 <joepie91> I'm currently looking to get my hands on an A3 scanner
19:54:26 <joepie91> so that I can scan them in a more automated manner
19:54:28 <joepie91> without destroying them
19:54:33 <joepie91> as in, a sheetfed scanner
19:59:09 <joepie91> AnonyOps: impressed yet?
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20:04:24 <AnonyOps> I was at the beginning lol
20:05:10 <AnonyOps> Finally done with 1/2 of my first exam!
20:05:17 <lady-3jane> :>
20:05:18 <AnonyOps> only 4 hours for that one...
20:05:22 * lady-3jane lets brain cool down
20:05:35 <AnonyOps> Still got the multple choice part, which shouldn't be too hard.
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20:09:43 <AnonyOps> fuck gotta reboot...
20:10:02 <AnonyOps> also, I'm gonna do some system maintenance stuff. So I'll be back later.
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