Cryto! 25 April 2013

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00:06:50 <ShadowDemon> Hello all
00:06:54 <ShadowDemon> Long time no see.  :P
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00:07:08 <ShadowDemon> I've been gone for quite some time due to recent events
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00:07:18 <ShadowDemon> Long story short, I'm going to be having twins :D
00:08:00 <ShadowDemon> Also, anyone feeling frisky enough to help me with this?
00:08:07 <ShadowDemon>
00:08:35 <joepie91> NOTE:  Armory is a fairly resource-intensive desktop application (2.0 GB RAM usage), but a full installation only uses 50MB of disk space.  Armory is intended for Bitcoin power users who frequently benefit from the small disk footprint portability.  There are immediate plans to reduce Armoryâ??s RAM usage, but will result in using a lot more disk space.  Therefore, the RAM reduction will be done in the next version
00:08:36 <joepie91> (v0.90) so that users who prefer the current design can have a stable version of it.  If you have difficulty running Armory because of the RAM requirements â?? fear not, a new RAM-friendly version is coming soon!
00:08:40 <joepie91> also, hai ShadowDemon!
00:43:01 <twitchyliquid64> ShadowDemon: twins with your gf? :D
01:04:43 <ShadowDemon> Yay
01:04:54 <ShadowDemon> twitchyliquid64: Yeah, twins with my gf :D
01:05:12 <ShadowDemon> hai joepie91 ^_^
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01:07:47 <ShadowDemon> Speaking of bitcoin
01:08:21 <ShadowDemon> There was someone who made some malware that mined bitcoins on the victim's computer
01:08:27 <ShadowDemon> Quite intelligent, imo
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01:16:04 <joepie91> meh
01:16:06 <joepie91> has been around forever
01:16:10 <joepie91> anyway
01:16:20 <joepie91> I quite like my new HDD
01:16:50 <joepie91> it's holding up very nicely under the combined load of syncing with the bitcoin blockchain, installing a pile of RPMs, moving stuff around, and downloading shit on a 100mbit connection
01:17:25 <joepie91> oh, and it's swapping too
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02:07:58 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) how performant :D
02:08:09 <lady-3jane> which reminds me, I never sync'd bitcoin
02:10:53 <lady-3jane> hmm, bootstrap was much faster in 081
02:10:54 <lady-3jane> woot
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09:36:46 <ShadowDemon> I fell asleep, oops :P
09:36:54 <ShadowDemon> So what did I miss?
09:37:19 <ShadowDemon> Anyone decide they feel like helping me with
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13:29:27 <shikat> !btc
13:29:29 <shikat> .btc
13:29:31 <shikat> .bitcoin
13:29:32 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $153.71, 1 BTC = €120.12
13:45:09 <drwhat> i still have some bitcoins left :d
13:45:11 <drwhat> What to buy :)
13:46:06 <Amnesthesia> drwhat: i'll sell you love
13:49:54 <drwhat> O_o
13:50:13 <drwhat> I dont support prostitution
13:50:38 <drwhat> its a dark trade that needs distroying
13:53:01 <Amnesthesia> drwhat: What, why?
13:53:58 <Amnesthesia> I dont support power abuse, it's a far darker 'trade' >:c Not your choice to make for me >:(
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17:22:20 <joepie91> .bitcoin
17:22:21 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $154.04, 1 BTC = €119.30
17:39:57 <drwhat>
17:44:03 <joepie91> .license mit
17:44:04 <botpie91> MIT License: Very liberal. Basically, you can do whatever you want as long as you include the original copyright.
17:44:07 <joepie91> drwhat: aware :)
17:44:13 <joepie91> it's kind of awesome
17:44:25 <drwhat> I just found it
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17:45:09 <drwhat> .license Eclipse
17:45:10 <botpie91> Eclipse Public License 1.0 (EPL-1.0): You may copy, distribute and modify the software provided that modifications are open source. However, software that includes the license may release under a different license. Read license text for patent and trademark rights.
17:45:49 <drwhat> .license bsd
17:45:50 <botpie91> BSD 3-Clause License (Revised): The BSD 3-clause license allows you almost unlimited freedom with the software so long as you include the BSD copyright notice in it (found below). Many other licenses are influenced by this one.“Use trademarks” in this case means you cannot use the names of the original company or its members to endorse derived products.
17:47:29 <joepie91> can anyone suggest any awesome software to install?
17:49:04 * joepie91 installs inkscape, blender, LMMS...
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17:51:13 <MK_FG> gimp, geeqie, fbreader, vlc, mpv, audacity
17:51:36 <MK_FG> wireshark, redshift
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17:52:04 <joepie91> oh, that reminds me
17:52:06 <joepie91> geary as well
17:52:11 <joepie91> if there's a package for opensuse
17:52:12 <MK_FG> yeahconsole, dmenu, xdotool, xclip
17:52:19 <joepie91> (which there probably is)
17:52:49 <joepie91> MK_FG, can you elaborate on what yeahconsole, xclip, geeqie, fbreader and mpv are?
17:53:03 <joepie91> aaand indeed there's a geary package
17:53:04 <joepie91> opensuse <3
17:53:06 <MK_FG> mpv is the developed mplayer2 fork
17:53:19 <MK_FG> fbreader - reader for all sorts of books and docs
17:53:27 <joepie91> also, dmenu seems unnecessary seeing as I'm using xfce :P
17:53:31 <MK_FG> geeqie - image viewer
17:53:52 <MK_FG> xclip is for "grep stuff log | xclip" and paste
17:54:27 <joepie91> mpv is not in standard repos, hm
17:54:34 <MK_FG> yeahconsole is like guake (drop-down terminal), only actually runs any other terminal (e.g. xterm, rxvt, terminology, ...) inside
17:54:35 <joepie91> on to the package search1
17:54:55 <joepie91> MK_FG: are you sure mpv is called mpv as package name?
17:54:56 <MK_FG> Might be too new for enterprise distro ;)
17:55:06 <joepie91> even the user repos don't seem to have it
17:55:08 <joepie91> which is very very rare
17:55:25 <MK_FG> It's
17:55:44 <MK_FG> Oh, and apparently
17:56:04 <joepie91> mm
17:56:07 <joepie91> I think VLC will do for now :)
17:56:21 <joepie91> definitely installing audacity (how did I forget about that?!), fbreader and qeeqie
17:56:22 <joepie91> er
17:56:24 <joepie91> geeqie
17:56:26 <joepie91> as well as xclip
17:56:33 <MK_FG> I keep both in case one fails for some video ;)
17:56:42 <joepie91> yeahconsole and mpv are unnecessary for me, already have guake and VLC...
17:56:42 <MK_FG> Which happens rarely these days
17:56:44 <joepie91> already have vlc
17:56:58 <joepie91> dmenu also unnecessary because xfce
17:57:01 <joepie91> already have xdotool
17:57:12 <joepie91> wireshark and redshift, both installin
17:57:14 <joepie91> oh, the xbindkeys thing
17:57:48 <joepie91> MK_FG: xbindkeys is the opposite of xdotool
17:57:52 <joepie91> instead of simulating input events
17:57:55 <joepie91> it captures them
17:58:09 <joepie91> combining xbindkeys with xdotool, you can map keys, create custom shortcuts, etc
17:58:20 <joepie91> I used it on my laptop to make ctrl+ and ctrl- act like a scrollwheel
17:58:24 <joepie91> to control the volume on radiotray
17:58:31 <joepie91> very useful
18:00:02 * joepie91 installs ALL THE PACKAGES
18:00:04 <MK_FG> Yeah, iirc I used it with some crappy old wms
18:00:29 <MK_FG> But lately sawfish allowed any bindings, and now e17 works well for that as well
18:01:32 * joepie91 <3s opensuse so much
18:02:16 <joepie91> also, keepassx is starting to be awesome
18:02:27 <joepie91> and works much much better than keepass in mono
18:03:26 <joepie91> and you can actually copypaste by hitting ctrl+C
18:03:26 <joepie91> :P
18:05:53 <joepie91> Geary is really nice... but it only does one account :(
18:05:56 <joepie91> no multi account support yet
18:07:30 <MK_FG> I've seen Geary praised recently, but from the shots it looks damn uncomfortable
18:07:42 <MK_FG> Guess I'll need to try it out sometime
18:07:55 <ShadowDemon> .license GPL
18:07:56 <botpie91> GNU General Public License v2 (GPL-2): You may copy, distribute and modify the software as long as you track changes/dates of in source files and keep all modifications under GPL. You can distribute your application using a GPL library commercially, but you must also provide the source code.
18:08:12 <lady-3jane> geary is the new mail client?
18:08:14 <joepie91> .license gpl 3
18:08:15 <botpie91> GNU General Public License v3 (GPL-3): You may copy, distribute and modify the software as long as you track changes/dates of in source files and keep modifications under GPL. You can distribute your application using a GPL library commercially, but you must also provide the source code. GPL v3 aims to prevent <a href="">Tivoization</a>.
18:08:16 <joepie91> lady-3jane: yes
18:08:32 <MK_FG> .license beerware
18:08:33 <botpie91> Beerware License: The user is allowed to do anything with the licensed material. Should the user of the product meet the author and consider the software useful, he is encouraged to buy the author a beer "in return" (or, in some variations, to drink a beer in the author's honor).
18:08:40 <MK_FG> Heheh
18:08:48 <lady-3jane> yes
18:09:13 <lady-3jane> I forget if it still is, but that's what aranjepack used to be
18:09:14 <lady-3jane> beerware
18:09:31 <joepie91> whee, LMMS actually works out of the box
18:09:32 <joepie91> that's a first
18:09:38 <lady-3jane> so I have a friend who brews his own beer and he's collecting a bottle every time he uses it on computers
18:09:47 <joepie91> this is like the first distro ever that I have seen LMMS just work on
18:09:52 <joepie91> without fucking around with symlinks
18:10:04 <joepie91> not sure if LMMS fixed it
18:10:11 <joepie91> or it's some kind of patch that opensuse guys put in place
18:10:13 * lady-3jane has no idea what lmms is but it looks like xmms derivitive maybe
18:10:21 <joepie91> lady-3jane: basically, audio editor for Linux
18:10:25 <lady-3jane> oh
18:10:27 <joepie91> think fruityloops
18:10:31 <lady-3jane> yeah okay
18:10:37 <lady-3jane> things I don't use
18:10:37 <lady-3jane> :>
18:11:37 <lady-3jane> I want bitcoin to have a higher tx rate so this listen to bitcoin would be like a symphony
18:12:29 <lady-3jane> then someone can make the output algorithmic to turn it into slightly classical music centering around certain volume numbers
18:12:30 <lady-3jane> :>
18:12:41 <lady-3jane> tx/s volume and such
18:15:11 <joepie91> looks like openshot works out of the box as well
18:15:11 <joepie91> wat
18:19:35 <ShadowDemon> I think I might use GPL3 for my software
18:19:43 <ShadowDemon> Whatcha think sexy joepie
18:22:40 <lady-3jane> I think he doesn't like gpl3
18:22:48 <lady-3jane> I know I don't :/
18:23:04 <joepie91> ShadowDemon: WTFPL > GPL
18:23:05 <joepie91> :P
18:23:24 <lady-3jane> I don't like the gpl cause it's virus
18:24:17 * joepie91 believes in encouraging people to do the right thing, rather than forcing them to
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18:24:36 <lady-3jane> yeah
18:24:42 <MK_FG> Dirty hippies!
18:25:13 <joepie91> MK_FG: wasn't that what GPL fans were accused of being? even Super Tux Kart says so ;)
18:25:31 <MK_FG> Yeah, Stallman is a good example actually
18:25:48 <MK_FG> I'm not really familiar with what hippie mean, actually
18:25:55 <MK_FG> Just wanted to insult you two somehow ;)
18:26:01 <joepie91> haha
18:33:37 <lady-3jane> No, I'm a dirty hippie
18:33:39 <lady-3jane> lol
18:33:53 <lady-3jane> grew up in a cohousing community, can't get much more hippie
18:33:54 <lady-3jane> lol
18:43:10 <ShadowDemonX> I see your point joepie
18:43:23 <ShadowDemonX> And I agree with encouragement
18:43:52 <ShadowDemonX> But when it comes to building software, I'm a little weary about what exactly I should and should not allow
18:44:11 <ShadowDemonX> To avoid my project from becoming convoluted and destroyed
18:44:24 <joepie91> so...
18:44:28 <joepie91> I just set up synergy
18:44:32 <joepie91> and fuck it's awesome
18:44:47 <joepie91> I now have mouse, keyboard and clipboard shared
18:44:50 <joepie91> across desktop and laptop
18:44:50 <joepie91> heh
18:45:10 <ShadowDemon> fuck
18:45:15 <ShadowDemon> I've been looking for software that does that
18:45:35 <joepie91> ShadowDemon:
18:46:01 <joepie91> if you have two Linux boxen, just use synergyc -f
18:46:05 <joepie91> instead of that GUI stuff
18:46:06 <joepie91> :P
18:46:09 <joepie91> (on the slave)
18:49:32 <joepie91> jesus christ, not this shit again:
18:51:55 <ShadowDemonX> oh sweet
18:52:06 <ShadowDemonX> I have lots of linux boxen
18:53:00 <ShadowDemon> :D
18:53:09 <ShadowDemon> I love linux
18:53:34 <ShadowDemon> I have use Windows for maybe one week this entire year so far
18:53:57 <ShadowDemon> Linux commands > Windows GUI from HELL
18:54:12 <Matrix> tbh
18:54:21 <Matrix> Opensource Windows
18:54:22 <Matrix> fix the bugs
18:54:30 <Matrix> gief a REAL FUCKING NATIVE TERMINAL
18:54:40 <Matrix> and i'd be happy with Windowns
18:54:43 <Matrix> but nonono.
18:54:44 <Matrix> they wont
18:54:46 <Matrix> fuck them
18:55:09 <ShadowDemon> It makes too much money
18:55:21 <joepie91> Matrix: tbh
18:55:27 <joepie91> all of Windows' architecture is one giant bug
18:55:56 <joepie91> "fixing the bugs" would take more time than letting the same developers just implement Windows libraries/API on Linux
18:56:18 <joepie91> which is.... basically what WINE is doing
18:56:29 <joepie91> but it takes WINE much much longer
18:56:36 <joepie91> (understandably)
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19:00:10 <ShadowDemon> Yes...  And no...
19:00:16 <ShadowDemon> WINE is poop
19:00:23 <ShadowDemon> And Windows is Poop
19:00:42 <ShadowDemon> And Windows' Registry and Libraries are complete poop
19:01:03 <ShadowDemon> I don't install WINE because I don't want that poop being all over my system and corrupting its awesome
19:01:56 <MK_FG> That's a fantastic argument... for a 3yo ;)
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19:08:05 <joepie91> ShadowDemon: actually WINE is quite awesome
19:09:18 <Matrix> Not when you wanna avoid all problems by getting adobe
19:09:28 <Matrix> and you see that their "move file shit fuckery" is not implemented on Wine
19:09:31 <Matrix> and you go like
19:09:33 <Matrix> "FUUUUUUUUCCCCKKKKK"
19:09:53 <lady-3jane> why would you use adobe
19:10:06 <lady-3jane> biggest piece of shit this side of windows ME
19:12:57 <Matrix> because school
19:13:00 <Matrix> and ActionScript3
19:13:11 <Matrix> and i don't wanna use a faggot PC with fullblown windowns
19:15:43 <joepie91> Matrix: there is a reason I said WINE dev is much slower
19:16:02 <joepie91> it's not a fault in WINE, it's an unimplemented feature 99.99% of the time
19:16:31 <lady-3jane> yeah, lotta companies pay ms to put shit in windows so they can use it
19:39:47 <ShadowDemon> Yep
19:39:59 <ShadowDemon> Windows and companies do a lot of voodoo
19:41:49 <crytocc-c> Never use ---
19:42:01 <crytocc-c> They don't encrypt your passwords with not even MD5 or anything.
19:43:06 <crytocc-c>
19:43:21 <MK_FG> Hey, double-ROT13 is a well-known industry standard
19:43:55 <MK_FG> Holy crap, via GET, of all things ;)
19:44:22 <crytocc-c> :fp:
19:44:46 <MK_FG> So that it'll embed itself into browser history, leak via referer, various extensions, etc...
19:44:59 <MK_FG> They are awesome!
20:11:00 <crytocc-c> lol.
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20:13:29 <joepie91> crytocc-c: hash, not encrypt ;)
20:14:31 <lady-3jane> mmm, leftover cheesy bread
20:22:50 <MK_FG> Why just hash? Pubkey-encrypt with no private key (e.g. ed25519) should work too
20:25:10 <MK_FG> And I think DES and Blowfish are used in some weird ways (e.g. feeding output of first round as a key to the next) to the same effect
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21:12:41 <drwhat> 14[096:47:02pm14] 14(0915joepie9114)00 can anyone suggest any awesome software to install?
21:12:42 <drwhat> steam
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21:24:22 <joepie91> drwhat: thanks, installing
21:24:27 <joepie91> (it's actually in the opensuse repo :D)
21:25:13 <drwhat> :)
21:25:20 <drwhat> Aint i awesome
21:25:27 <drwhat> NOW HAVE SEX WITH MEH
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22:44:05 <anonymity> speak soft and carry a big tick
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