Cryto! 23 April 2013
00:00:22 <lady-3jane> I'd take a nap whether or not they want me to
00:00:55 <lady-3jane> I'm being paid to be productive, and a small nap if I'm tired is surely more valuable time spent than me working at 1/4 capacity because I'm half asleep
00:02:25 <lady-3jane> It's why I read those sorts of contracts
00:02:41 <HiveResearch> u read them to go to sleep?
00:03:00 <lady-3jane> Nope, I read them to understand the transaction they're proposing with me
00:03:13 <lady-3jane> and consider hiring a lawyer if the terms aren't acceptable to me
00:03:26 <lady-3jane> to renegotiate terms
00:04:26 <lady-3jane> It's not hard, and the value I'll get from a job I'm happy to work at will quickly nullify any cost the lawyer incurred
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00:26:00 <DrWhat> I lke this
00:26:08 <DrWhat> Knock on this dickhead's door and ask him why he introduced such shitty legislation? Lamar Smith (R-TX)
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01:51:38 <lady-3jane> mmm
01:51:42 <lady-3jane> transplants kinda night
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02:55:43 <twitchyliquid64> lady-3jane: permission to use your words in amending my blog post about routine?
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03:16:44 <lady-3jane> twitchyliquid64:) probably, what did I say
03:16:45 <lady-3jane> haha
03:19:53 <lady-3jane> oh wait do you mean my blog post?
03:24:02 * lady-3jane dances for twitchyliquid64
03:27:34 <lady-3jane> So since everyone else in my class supports violating states' sovereignty in cases of humanitarian missions, I'm going to argue against it
03:28:14 <lady-3jane> Oh!
03:28:15 <lady-3jane> Oh!!!!
03:28:38 <lady-3jane> I'll use the Realist view of rational self interest in governments and competition between govts
03:28:47 <lady-3jane> BOOM
03:28:53 * lady-3jane l'ecrit
03:30:39 <lady-3jane> Due to the wide diversity of languages, cultures, and government types, I don't think there is a rational reason to intervene in the affairs of another sovereign state unless the internal affairs of that sovereign state threatens your own sovereignty.
03:30:53 <lady-3jane> kapow
03:31:00 * lady-3jane bounces
03:31:10 <lady-3jane> Or maybe I should approach from structural functionalism?
03:31:18 <lady-3jane> or perhaps constructivist?
03:31:21 * lady-3jane giggles
03:31:23 <lady-3jane> I love this shit
03:31:30 <lady-3jane> aaaaaaaand this is why I'm majoring in it
03:31:47 * lady-3jane bounces like a little kid
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03:32:59 <lady-3jane> wat
03:33:08 * lady-3jane inserts cultural relativism into Realism
03:35:56 <lady-3jane> here we go
03:36:01 <lady-3jane> this is getting meaty
03:42:25 <LastOneStanding> morning childrens
03:45:47 <lady-3jane> dicks
03:51:52 <twitchyliquid64> lady-3jane: no, I mean your response to my blog post
03:51:54 <twitchyliquid64> about routine
03:52:07 <twitchyliquid64> 11:48 < lady-3jane> twitchyliquid64:) That's part of what I touched on for my free-will writing. I'm not done with it yet, but some of your points are in mine :)
03:52:10 <twitchyliquid64> 11:52 < lady-3jane> twitchyliquid64:) You're presented choices by your environment and the people in it, and you're able to choose within that decision set. So, every person
03:52:13 <twitchyliquid64> has an unbroken circle around them of decisions they can make. If you maintain a single environment, such as where you live, and only the people within that
03:52:16 <twitchyliquid64> environment (work, school, and such), you have access to only a very small subset of those possible decision branches.[<--If you'r
03:52:19 <twitchyliquid64> 11:52 < lady-3jane> e in a small town and have met most people, this subset of decisions approaches a finite path list] [awkward-->] If however, you try new things whenever
03:52:22 <twitchyliquid64> possible and travel and meet new people whenever possible, you have the chance to expand your working set of starting points. It's all about recognizing
03:53:58 <twitchyliquid64> opportunity and seizing it. The thing you're fighting, in this perspective, is living on a rail. It's fine, and I have no problem if
03:54:01 <twitchyliquid64> 11:52 < lady-3jane> that's what you want, but I think there are many people who do not know to choose differently and would do so if they knew to.
03:54:54 <lady-3jane> yeah sure
03:55:02 <lady-3jane> do you want my actual draft blog post to look over?
03:55:06 <lady-3jane> perhaps for inspiration or so
03:55:19 <lady-3jane> (that's a snippet from it)
03:55:32 <twitchyliquid64> sure
03:55:55 <twitchyliquid64> tbh I think you and I are on the same wavelength, yet slightly different rails
03:56:12 <lady-3jane> It's not, like, polished yet, but you're free to have a look :) http://w.explodie.org/index.php/free-will-and-decision-matrices/
03:56:27 <lady-3jane> that link won't be permanent, only the ones on my main site are
03:56:38 <lady-3jane> I just like having a web interface where I can write shit quickly
03:56:45 <twitchyliquid64> Im also saying there can be potential for breaking out of monotony within ones static lifestlye
03:56:49 <twitchyliquid64> *lifestyle
03:56:55 <lady-3jane> "oh oh oh an idea! <write write write>
03:56:57 <lady-3jane> "
03:57:00 <twitchyliquid64> if they can break their social boundries
03:57:05 <lady-3jane> I do too
03:57:07 <twitchyliquid64> and talk to people outside of their comfort zone
03:57:09 <lady-3jane> in a different way
03:57:14 <lady-3jane> there's a whole paragraph on that
03:57:14 <lady-3jane> haha
03:57:27 <twitchyliquid64> lady-3jane: this post was originally from my personal diary actually
03:57:32 <twitchyliquid64> Ive had the diary for 5 years
03:57:35 <lady-3jane> not as specific as your wording, since I'm working in models and not application yet
03:57:35 <twitchyliquid64> its noe 40 pages long
03:57:38 <twitchyliquid64> *now
03:57:43 <lady-3jane> ahh
03:57:47 <lady-3jane> I've never had one of those
03:58:45 <twitchyliquid64> its 70% girls lol
03:58:55 <twitchyliquid64> and my adolsencent ramblings lol
03:59:45 <twitchyliquid64> Its worth it, cause I can look back at how I felt and what I thought and see how things have changed
04:02:34 <lady-3jane> mmhmm
04:02:38 <lady-3jane> I just never did that
04:02:51 <lady-3jane> I wasn't raised in a place where feelings were something you talked about
04:03:03 <lady-3jane> and a diary means it isn't contained in my head, and thus offlimits
04:03:33 <twitchyliquid64> this diary was encrypted with a one time cipher lol
04:03:39 <twitchyliquid64> aint no-one but me gonna read that shit
04:03:40 <twitchyliquid64> lol
04:03:46 <lady-3jane> mmhmm
04:03:49 <lady-3jane> I didn't have computers
04:04:02 <twitchyliquid64> forgive me for asking, but how old are you?
04:04:03 <lady-3jane> computers for me is a mostly post-2005 thing
04:04:07 <twitchyliquid64> (you dont have to respond)
04:04:18 <lady-3jane> I'm in the 18-24 demographic. Sufficient?
04:04:22 <twitchyliquid64> yes
04:04:24 <twitchyliquid64> hmmm
04:04:30 <twitchyliquid64> I am at the lower end of that
04:04:35 <twitchyliquid64> and I always grew up with computers
04:04:42 <lady-3jane> The first response of USA'ers is to ask "Did you grow up on a farm?"
04:04:55 <lady-3jane> To which I emphatically respond: "Yes!"
04:05:03 <twitchyliquid64> oh ok
04:05:10 <twitchyliquid64> tbh I dont like the cuntry as much of the city
04:05:16 <lady-3jane> moved out of the farm in 2002
04:05:22 <twitchyliquid64> the city is bursting with energy and life
04:05:26 <lady-3jane> got our first pc then too, and internet in 2005
04:05:30 <twitchyliquid64> the lights are euphoric
04:05:36 <lady-3jane> my mom needed a pc to write her papers on
04:05:41 <twitchyliquid64> ok
04:06:17 <lady-3jane> I don't like lights much >_>
04:06:28 <lady-3jane> and I'm still trying to get over my fear of water
04:06:49 <twitchyliquid64> as in, swimming?
04:07:27 <lady-3jane> I can swim in a pool
04:07:33 <lady-3jane> but lakes and oceans are no bueno
04:07:47 <twitchyliquid64> I stay near the shore
04:07:48 <twitchyliquid64> for me
04:07:48 <lady-3jane> I live by an ocean now, and I've only visited a handful of times in 4 years
04:08:07 <lady-3jane> It's very pretty but I have no interest in being in cold water that could kill me
04:08:41 <twitchyliquid64> ok
04:08:45 <twitchyliquid64> hmmm
04:08:55 <twitchyliquid64> Im not afraid of swimming in the ocean
04:09:03 <twitchyliquid64> but I have a rational fear of swimming in the open ocean
04:09:55 <lady-3jane> That doesn't bother me much, surprisingly
04:10:12 <lady-3jane> I would die, but dying doesn't bother me
04:10:22 <lady-3jane> being close to shore and dying bothers me
04:10:30 <lady-3jane> because I could have not-died
04:10:37 <twitchyliquid64> Dying bothers me, but I am ready to die
04:10:46 <twitchyliquid64> because I know it happens and its a factof life
04:12:25 <lady-3jane> I figure it's cause I don't have a god
04:12:45 <twitchyliquid64> eh, religion has nothing to do with it
04:12:53 <lady-3jane> I'm like whatever, I turn into dirt. Some motherfucker better sprinkle my ass on a plant so it grows.
04:13:22 <lady-3jane> Well but a lot of people are bothered by death and move to religion to solve it
04:13:27 <lady-3jane> with some afterlife or rebirth or so
04:13:37 <twitchyliquid64> ree Will and Decision Matrices
04:13:37 <twitchyliquid64> Posted in Uncategorized
04:13:37 <twitchyliquid64> This is a draft.
04:13:38 <twitchyliquid64>
04:13:38 <twitchyliquid64> I.ll get this out of the way: I don.t think we have free will. Not even close. [not clear enough-->] I think we delude ourselves into an illusion of free will (you are free to (do as we tell you) choose within the choices given to you), and we have many institutions built upon that idea, but that doesn.t make it true. If you want to do some research, start with social psychology and behavioral economics. Neither assume rational f
04:13:45 <twitchyliquid64> [This will tie in better later but for now it's here.] There.s observed phenomena in psychology where people in societies that are very individualistic discount the environment.s effect in some situation, placing all blame on the individual. A very good example of this (and indeed a specific case study) is the torture that went on in Abu Ghraib prison. Most accounts (and the military.s official pronouncement) conclude that the wh
04:13:51 <twitchyliquid64> I look at it like this: Each person is surrounded by a decision matrix. (It works best if you envision it as a circle around them, expanding out infinitely in every direction (in 2-d space)). Whichever situation you.re in you only have access to a few points on that circle(now), and the decisions in the future that could result from them. However, with people you meet and chance encounters[1], you can slowly start adding points o
04:13:58 <twitchyliquid64> Fuzzy world of >7 billion people with infinite 2d disks around them. Direct interactions are when your innermost circle interacts with another.s innermost circle. Otherwise it.s a third party or farther interaction. If you are in computer science, mathematics, or related, think of each person as a 2-d graph which is able to link itself to other 2-d graphs (people) within a 3-d field (or graph to keep the metaphor).
04:13:59 <lady-3jane> 7s wait on pastes, badass
04:14:04 <twitchyliquid64> I think a better (less imperfect?) model for free will is something like light autonomy. You.re presented choices by your environment and the people in it, and you.re able to choose within that decision set. So, every person has an unbroken circle around them of decisions they can make. If you maintain a single environment, such as where you live, and only the people within that environment (work, school, and such), you have acce
04:14:11 <twitchyliquid64> Look for decisions that snowball. .> Pareto principle .> for many events, roughly 80% of the effects come from 20% of the causes. I posit that you have to be a certain level of enlightened to be able to pick up on those probabilistic events. Long term approach: Working to minimize unknown unknowns.
04:14:16 <twitchyliquid64> So, what are the changes that one could suggest, as a result of this? Our judicial system (and prison system) assume free will (until declared crazy, I guess). This has resulted in a system of retribution for transgressions, instead of a system of rehabilitating people to be good citizens. You may not want good citizens, but it.s much better than just straight punishment for ascribed wrongdoing. Retribution solves nothing even if
04:14:17 <lady-3jane> awh now my whole draft is in the log
04:14:21 <lady-3jane> :(
04:14:23 <twitchyliquid64> I don.t know where else to take the endgame of analyzing things through this lens, that.s a time thing. I can.t make all the prescriptions, I.m young yet.
04:14:26 <twitchyliquid64> [1] .Chance. here is wildly differing decision matrices intersecting with each other. Things only seem random because they.re not in your decision matrix, and are greater than 1 nearest neighbor from your existence graph.
04:14:30 <twitchyliquid64> network-centric definition of concern/influence
04:14:33 <twitchyliquid64> FUCK
04:14:35 <twitchyliquid64> accident
04:14:38 <twitchyliquid64> damn putty
04:14:39 <lady-3jane> you're shit at this
04:14:40 <twitchyliquid64> having a rightclick
04:14:46 <twitchyliquid64> Im sorry
04:14:50 <twitchyliquid64> that was accidental
04:14:52 <twitchyliquid64> :(
04:14:53 <lady-3jane> insta-deanon lol
04:14:58 <twitchyliquid64> putty has rightclick
04:15:01 <lady-3jane> I know
04:15:02 <twitchyliquid64> to paste
04:15:05 <twitchyliquid64> and I have dual screens
04:15:07 <lady-3jane> I don't use putty for that
04:15:10 <lady-3jane> lol
04:15:12 <twitchyliquid64> I use putty for IRC
04:15:17 <lady-3jane> mostly cause it fucks up paste
04:15:18 <lady-3jane> lol
04:17:25 <lady-3jane> haha
04:17:30 <lady-3jane> I can tell you have a cached version of the page
04:17:38 <lady-3jane> cause there's another line at the bottom
04:17:46 <lady-3jane> lulz
04:29:14 <lady-3jane> oh man, I love being devil's advocate
04:29:22 <lady-3jane> people are playing politics on my facebook
04:29:58 <lady-3jane> so I'm playing Realism + non-interventionism + cultural relativity
04:29:59 <lady-3jane> so much fun
04:45:14 <IR601> u b trollin
04:50:21 <lady-3jane> little
05:22:54 <lady-3jane> twitchyliquid64:) ping me when you're done with your edit, I'll read :)
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08:32:08 <monod> please guys
08:32:24 <monod> spread this for me if you're not already doing it
08:32:31 <monod> https://action.eff.org/o/9042/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=9048 <<<< for AMERICANS
08:32:43 <monod> https://action.eff.org/o/9042/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=9137 <<<< for NON-AMERICANS
08:32:45 <monod> thanks
08:32:52 <monod> I spread it a lil bit
08:33:00 <monod> take care
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08:53:56 <Xe> what is there
08:53:57 <Xe> ?
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16:29:07 <drwhat> joepie91 want some lulz
16:32:02 <joepie91> depends
16:32:28 <speakeasy> joepie91!
16:32:38 <lady-3jane> I didn't think I could reasonably fit 3 eggs on one bagel, but I did it
16:32:39 <speakeasy> joepie joepie joepie
16:32:41 <speakeasy> hai <3
16:32:50 <lady-3jane> soon: 4
16:35:33 <joepie91> ohai
16:36:35 <speakeasy> <3 <3 <3
16:37:33 <lady-3jane> ohai
16:38:28 <lady-3jane> mmm
16:44:58 <MK_FG> iaho
16:45:20 <MK_FG> lady-3jane, Have you hacked convergence to work for you?
16:45:43 <lady-3jane> no
16:45:46 <lady-3jane> :/
16:45:53 <lady-3jane> It never works for me :(
16:46:14 <lady-3jane> I want to try it on ff ESR to see if that's what it really targets
16:46:16 <MK_FG> I noticed that it already has dns-txt verifier written, and crossbear project has a db of sigs available as such
16:46:40 <lady-3jane> it claims to support my stuffs... but eh
16:46:42 <lady-3jane> seems not to :/
16:46:48 <MK_FG> There's also a fork with a commit that supposedly fixes it for ff-18
16:46:59 <lady-3jane> oh, cool, since I'm running 20 and 22
16:47:00 <lady-3jane> :/
16:47:08 <speakeasy> joeeeeppppppiiiiiiieeeeeeee
16:47:12 <speakeasy> tell me cool things
16:47:14 <speakeasy> and stuff
16:47:16 <lady-3jane> but alright
16:47:18 <MK_FG> Well, they probably don't break api every second version ;)
16:47:28 <lady-3jane> lmao maybe
16:47:36 <MK_FG> But I decided to finally setup a thing based on it
16:47:38 <lady-3jane> I think the ESR's are your target for that
16:47:45 <lady-3jane> oh?
16:47:51 <lady-3jane> It's a smart fuckin idea
16:47:54 <MK_FG> At least just local node with custom ca-db verifier
16:47:57 <lady-3jane> I really wish the damn thing worked
16:48:14 <lady-3jane> I had no problems with it last time I tried
16:48:25 <lady-3jane> but that was when I was running everything through tor
16:48:29 <lady-3jane> which was brilliant
16:48:30 <MK_FG> ("local" as in "localhost", being basically same thing as ff does currently, just more flexible)
16:48:38 * lady-3jane nods
16:48:45 <lady-3jane> what is ca-db verifier?
16:48:49 <MK_FG> Yeah, I also had it installed in hype-times a year or so ago
16:49:00 <lady-3jane> I feel like I know what that is, but the wording doesn't seem obvious
16:49:03 <MK_FG> But then it also broke one day and I never enabled it since
16:49:12 * lady-3jane nods
16:49:25 <MK_FG> Just the same db of root certs as per /etc/ca-certificates.conf or from mozilla
16:49:34 <lady-3jane> ahhhh
16:49:36 <MK_FG> E.g. fast and cheap fallback
16:49:36 <lady-3jane> yeah that one okay
16:50:01 <MK_FG> But when that works fine, should be easy to start adding nodes for other verification methods
16:50:13 <lady-3jane> yeah that was the idea
16:50:19 <lady-3jane> did you watch his blackhat preso?
16:50:27 <MK_FG> Yes
16:50:32 <lady-3jane> there's one slide in there for some 3 minutes where he talks about that backend stuff
16:50:33 <MK_FG> It was awesome
16:50:50 <lady-3jane> which really truly is where the brilliance is
16:50:57 <lady-3jane> swappable backends
16:51:05 <MK_FG> Yeah, it's twisted/python thing and it already has a few different backends
16:51:16 <MK_FG> Was surprised to find dns-txt one there
16:51:32 <lady-3jane> I'm like eeeehhhh yeah mobile trust that's cool and all but swappable backends is what gets me hot haha
16:51:52 <lady-3jane> and routing through servers
16:51:59 <lady-3jane> the fuckin... whatever he called it
16:52:02 <MK_FG> Yep, mobile trust to your own authorities!
16:52:03 <lady-3jane> portaling
16:52:13 * lady-3jane nods
16:52:22 <MK_FG> "trust agility" iirc
16:52:27 <lady-3jane> not that
16:53:06 <lady-3jane> I'm talking about piping requests through one notary to the others
16:53:18 <lady-3jane> to anonymize your cert lookups
16:53:36 <lady-3jane> that was fucking brilliant too
16:53:54 <MK_FG> Yeah, don't quite remember what it's called either
16:53:58 <lady-3jane> Whaaaat!? What is this novel concept? Hardened by default?
16:54:01 <lady-3jane> :DDD
16:54:18 <lady-3jane> yeah he had a funny term for it
16:54:37 <lady-3jane> hnmm
16:54:47 <lady-3jane> I wonder if I can run aurora and ESR side by side
16:54:57 <lady-3jane> mayhaps not
16:56:25 <MK_FG> With one profile - definitely not
16:57:11 * lady-3jane nods
16:57:22 <lady-3jane> might be useful to try with a fresh profile
16:57:25 <lady-3jane> perhaps that's why I've got issues
16:57:35 <lady-3jane> sync is on afterall
17:00:24 <lady-3jane> huh. turned my windows pc on, internet goes to shit
17:00:34 <lady-3jane> I wonder what windows is doing that fucks up the router
17:01:52 <MK_FG> The usual - infects it with malware
17:02:03 <MK_FG> Isn't that what windows is for, anyway?
17:02:10 <lady-3jane> lmao
17:02:12 <lady-3jane> maybe
17:02:15 <lady-3jane> it doesn't run antivirus
17:02:25 <lady-3jane> that shit is worse than getting viruses
17:02:32 <lady-3jane> at least good viruses stay out of my fucking way
17:03:09 <lady-3jane> even the best antivirus drops the performance by 20% or so
17:03:16 <lady-3jane> fuckin hate that
17:03:38 <zxcvbnm> ehh who needs that 20%
17:03:47 <lady-3jane> I fuckin do
17:03:52 <lady-3jane> have you seen how I browse the web?
17:03:57 <lady-3jane> lmao
17:04:15 <lady-3jane> I have to restart aurora every few hours when browsing to clear it out
17:04:25 <MK_FG> You should buy 20% more powerful machine!
17:04:28 <lady-3jane> some weekend I'll actually close all the tabs
17:04:29 <zxcvbnm> lol
17:04:30 <lady-3jane> fuck that
17:04:34 <lady-3jane> fuuuuck that
17:04:34 * zxcvbnm <3s MK-FG's idea
17:04:40 <lady-3jane> fuuuuck youuuuu
17:04:43 <zxcvbnm> it'll only cost you 40% more !!
17:04:49 <lady-3jane> I want an order of magnitude better computer
17:04:55 <lady-3jane> I won't buy a new one until I can get it
17:05:09 <lady-3jane> another two years or so and we'll be there
17:05:27 <lady-3jane> that'll be on par for various computer speed increase laws
17:05:40 <lady-3jane> 5 years between pc purchases, not too shabby
17:06:01 <lady-3jane> mostly also by then we'll have real arm chips out
17:06:10 <lady-3jane> which is what I want
17:06:43 <lady-3jane> I want some arm thing that's like 1-1.5ghz per core times 6 or 8 cores, and is <20w TDP
17:07:14 <lady-3jane> 2ghz per core if I can get it
17:07:21 <lady-3jane> but eh, I'll settle for 1.5ish
17:07:48 <lady-3jane> and mah pc needs at least 16g of ram
17:08:44 <lady-3jane> oh! Do any of you know what the first version of chrome to ship blink will be?
17:09:25 <MK_FG> Why? It'll probably be the same webkit anyway
17:09:32 <lady-3jane> mostly yeah
17:09:51 <lady-3jane> I think they're gonna take it and optimize for mobile
17:10:17 <lady-3jane> lotta conspiracy theories around blink, but that seems the most google-benefitting thing to do
17:10:31 <lady-3jane> make a righteous rendering engine
17:10:43 <lady-3jane> mobile first one
17:11:01 <lady-3jane> wow
17:11:06 <lady-3jane> freakish patch tuesday
17:11:08 <lady-3jane> only one patch
17:12:05 <lady-3jane> AHHHH
17:12:07 <lady-3jane> dude
17:12:11 <lady-3jane> blink is gonna be fucking awesome
17:12:14 <lady-3jane> that's what it's gonna be
17:12:27 <lady-3jane> "In addition, this gives us an opportunity to do open-ended investigations into other performance improvement strategies. "
17:12:45 <lady-3jane> just how they've written their own dns recursor that operates in current versions of chrome
17:12:57 <lady-3jane> fuck yeah
17:13:03 <lady-3jane> hmm
17:13:10 <lady-3jane> I should turn their dns thing on and see how it performs
17:13:20 <lady-3jane> cause I have local dns, which is why I disable it
17:13:29 <lady-3jane> hmmhmm
17:14:03 <lady-3jane> nah man, I'm excited
17:14:59 <lady-3jane> oh fuck yeah
17:15:04 <lady-3jane> dude this is gonna be sweet
17:15:14 <lady-3jane> http://www.chromium.org/blink/developer-faq
17:24:19 <lady-3jane> hmm so blink is just the layout engine right
17:24:58 <lady-3jane> so if opera adopts that, they'd potentially still have everything else be non-chromium stuff
17:25:22 <lady-3jane> perhaps they'll work on v8 too? that'd be cool. their js engine was always slower than shit
17:32:29 <MK_FG> They announced that they will
17:33:04 <MK_FG> I'm also waiting for webkit-opera to ditch that chromium crap ;)
17:47:38 <lady-3jane> hehe
17:47:58 <lady-3jane> I think they're taking the content layer
17:48:04 <lady-3jane> which is blink and v8 and such
17:48:18 <lady-3jane> but that gives them complete freedom to fuck around with the rest of the browser
17:55:06 <lady-3jane> yeah this is about to get REALLY cool
17:55:28 <lady-3jane> so blink may implement the dartvm natively, and now mozilla is making servo which is in their rust language
17:55:45 <lady-3jane> this is gonna be fucking sweet
17:56:08 <lady-3jane> why the shit are web browsers at the forefront of parallel/concurrent computing?
17:56:20 <lady-3jane> wtf guize
17:58:15 <joepie91> lady-3jane: CLOUD
17:58:22 <lady-3jane> not even
17:58:30 <lady-3jane> that shit is just mainframes redux
17:58:32 <joepie91> your sarcasm meter is broken ;)
17:58:36 <lady-3jane> hahaha
17:58:42 <lady-3jane> always has been
17:59:00 <lady-3jane> seriously, it's not "TO THE BATCAVE" anymore, it's "TO THE CLOUD"
17:59:43 <Matrix> TO THE MARKETING TERM TOO OVERUSED TO MAKE AN SENSE TO THE COMMON LAYMAN!
17:59:52 <Matrix> s/AN/ANY
18:00:13 <MK_FG> MOAR CAPS!
18:00:23 <lady-3jane> haha that's marketing for you
18:00:41 <lady-3jane> cloud shit is decently well defined, it's just that marketing fuckers have no idea what internet is
18:01:08 <lady-3jane> god knows they can't deal with things like compute elasticity or parallelization
18:01:28 <lady-3jane> or should I say paraLOLization
18:01:34 <MK_FG> Apparently firefox doesn't allow you to start several instances from different profiles as well
18:01:42 <lady-3jane> correct
18:01:52 <lady-3jane> one of the longest standing "bugs" in ff is crash on sharing a profile
18:01:52 <MK_FG> But why!? Whyyyyy!?!?!
18:02:05 <lady-3jane> Yeah I dunno
18:02:11 <lady-3jane> firefox fights with itself or some shit
18:02:14 <lady-3jane> it's fuckin dumb
18:02:28 <lady-3jane> perhaps it's a little too self-aware
18:02:38 <MK_FG> convergence patches don't really work, but heh, install.rdf has maxVersion=9.* ;)
18:02:45 <lady-3jane> er
18:02:45 <Matrix> chromium memleak buggs me
18:02:55 <Matrix> sometimes everything just freeze. 100% CPU usage on everything
18:03:05 <MK_FG> But the bug seems trivial actually - it gets the response from notary than keeps polling the connection
18:03:09 <lady-3jane> chromium doesn't memleak on me
18:03:13 <lady-3jane> shitty js does
18:03:28 <lady-3jane> MK_FG:) what bug?
18:03:33 <MK_FG> Probably because now ff requires http response have length there and current notaries don't send one
18:03:38 <MK_FG> Easy to fix, I guess
18:03:54 <MK_FG> Bug that convergence hangs on querying notaries
18:03:55 <lady-3jane> oh, is that the problem I'm having?
18:03:59 <MK_FG> Probably
18:04:07 <lady-3jane> because when I install convergence it also doesn't have any of the default settings set
18:04:09 <lady-3jane> :/
18:04:22 <lady-3jane> no notaries show up
18:04:28 <lady-3jane> and I can't add any
18:04:31 <MK_FG> Hm, no with blank profile it had these
18:04:32 <lady-3jane> etc
18:04:46 <lady-3jane> maybe I should try a clean profile
18:04:53 <lady-3jane> I'd try it on my laptop but windows just shit a brick
18:04:57 <lady-3jane> or my laptop did
18:04:57 <lady-3jane> not sure
18:05:05 <lady-3jane> I installed the windows update and it sepuku'd
18:05:15 <lady-3jane> turned off and now refuses to boot
18:05:15 <lady-3jane> haha
18:05:19 <lady-3jane> welcome to windows
18:05:21 <MK_FG> Heh, again!? ;)
18:05:26 <lady-3jane> yeahhhhh
18:05:34 <lady-3jane> I don't know why I keep windows around
18:05:45 <lady-3jane> I kept that laptop running windows cause it has my games on it
18:05:48 <lady-3jane> but I don't play the fuckin things
18:05:50 <MK_FG> Iirc MS screamed "hey ppl don't install that updates we released on Tue!!!!" just last week!!!
18:05:59 <lady-3jane> yeah maybe
18:06:03 <lady-3jane> I've never had problems like that
18:06:06 <lady-3jane> except on windows ME
18:06:11 <MK_FG> At least some stability, eh? ;)
18:06:16 <lady-3jane> yeah
18:06:20 <lady-3jane> windows ME was stable
18:06:22 <lady-3jane> :D
18:06:33 <MK_FG> No, I mean in that each Tue they fuck up just the same ;)
18:06:38 <lady-3jane> people wonder where I get my windows stability wizardry from... win ME was my first OS
18:06:58 <lady-3jane> I learned from the best
18:06:59 <lady-3jane> :D
18:07:09 <lady-3jane> also debian was seriously my savior
18:26:01 <Matrix> Windows Me?
18:26:08 <Matrix> THE Balmear Peak project?
18:29:29 <lady-3jane> yap
18:29:38 <lady-3jane> that was my very first computer
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18:42:32 <zest> hi all
18:48:53 <IR601> lol
18:49:28 <zest> ?
18:49:55 <IR601> sorry not u someone mentioned windows me and abit of sick came in my mouth
18:49:58 <IR601> and hi
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18:51:55 <lady-3jane> lol
18:52:04 <lady-3jane> loved me some windows me
18:52:15 <lady-3jane> shit was awesome until it lost the programfiles directory
18:52:18 <lady-3jane> lmao
18:52:32 <IR601> i had that on a school laptop
18:52:37 <IR601> it sucked so hard
18:53:01 <IR601> my 1st comp was win95 ^_^
18:53:13 <lady-3jane> I've never used it
18:53:14 <IR601> 233mhz 32mb ram 1gb hdd
18:53:27 <lady-3jane> I used to run winxp on a pentium mmx
18:53:31 <lady-3jane> loved that fucker
18:53:43 <IR601> yeah mmx that was my 1st one
18:53:51 <lady-3jane> I had some cyrix too, but it shit out
18:53:53 <IR601> wtf is mmx anyway
18:54:00 <lady-3jane> multi media extentions
18:54:07 <lady-3jane> audio/video acceleration
18:54:21 <HiveResearch> joepie91: zitpossible unemployment is caused by trying to have both long term advantages and long distance advantages?
18:54:55 <lady-3jane> oooh
18:54:57 <lady-3jane> spin spin
18:56:11 <lady-3jane> NP: [M.I.A. - Bad Girls] [Bad Girls] [1073kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
18:56:27 <lady-3jane> I need to make a trance mix of this
18:56:33 <lady-3jane> for when I get a motorcycle
18:56:53 <lady-3jane> agh the thought of that made my spine tingle
18:56:54 <lady-3jane> ha
18:57:04 <HiveResearch> seems its consequences could be alleviated by adjusting
18:57:26 <HiveResearch> from time to space focus and back
18:58:14 <lady-3jane> someday I'm going to see if I can beat my friend's record
18:58:28 <lady-3jane> he went from sacramento to central LA in 3.5 hours
18:58:34 <HiveResearch> long term resource acquisition, short distance resource consumption
18:58:56 <MK_FG> All this economy gibberish!
18:59:18 <lady-3jane> he was averaging over 150mph
18:59:41 <lady-3jane> which is good, since his bike tops at 210 or so
19:00:02 <lady-3jane> either way I'll bet my current land speed record of 148
19:00:07 <lady-3jane> s/bet/beat/
19:00:10 <HiveResearch> short term innovation, long distance brainstorming
19:00:23 <lady-3jane> and value cocreation!
19:00:27 <MK_FG> Beating such records sounds like Darwin Olympics
19:00:37 <lady-3jane> MK_FG:) we did it on a two lane road
19:00:42 <lady-3jane> almost slammed into a minivan hahahaha
19:00:57 <MK_FG> Yeah, that'd be a win right there ;)
19:01:03 <lady-3jane> apparently 1/4 mile is not enough distance to slow down from 150 to 45
19:01:10 <HiveResearch> value emerges naturally
19:01:11 <lady-3jane> lulz
19:01:27 <lady-3jane> it won't be equally weighted value if it isn't cocreated
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19:01:49 <joepie91> so
19:01:49 <lady-3jane> MK_FG:) but yeah, it was so much fun
19:01:50 <HiveResearch> does it need to be equal
19:01:53 <joepie91> I was just playing Super Tux Kart
19:01:59 <joepie91> and I finally understand the hype around it
19:02:02 <joepie91> it's just a really fucking good game
19:02:03 <joepie91> :P
19:02:21 <lady-3jane> HiveResearch:) I think it does. I think that's the benefit to collaboration. Network effects + equality of value
19:02:47 <HiveResearch> that's because you assume value is determined externally only
19:02:56 <lady-3jane> no?
19:03:25 <lady-3jane> well
19:03:28 <lady-3jane> sort of, I guess
19:03:32 <lady-3jane> I focus on network level view
19:03:38 <lady-3jane> because individual view is irrelevant to me
19:03:42 <HiveResearch> i'll trade something that is equal dollar value for another without the hypersensitivity that joepie91 predicts
19:03:49 <lady-3jane> nothing happens in a vacuum, so individuals are not my focus
19:03:53 <HiveResearch> because i will value it more
19:04:11 <HiveResearch> an individual is not 1 attribute
19:04:18 <joepie91> time to install opensuse!
19:04:21 <HiveResearch> an individual is also a network
19:04:35 <zest> joepie91: ))
19:04:44 <lady-3jane> you can't get network effects inside one person, so I'd say not
19:04:52 <HiveResearch> yes you can
19:04:56 <lady-3jane> how
19:05:15 <lady-3jane> the network is part of them, sure, but if you put someone in a box they can't have a network
19:05:38 <HiveResearch> that's a good question but I've experienced drastically different result in different contexts
19:05:46 * lady-3jane nods
19:06:06 <lady-3jane> think on it :D
19:06:08 <lady-3jane> I've gotta go hike haha
19:06:17 <HiveResearch> a person is a network of already accepted or soon to be examined memories <- nails it
19:06:30 <ryan> ur gay
19:06:35 <ryan> a person is generally a human
19:06:40 <ryan> as animals aren't considered people
19:06:44 <zest> what the fuck is going on, they closed megaupload year ago, they know that russians and taiwanians like piracy and this is millions of people, they surely use private information from twitter or facebook secretly I'm sure and for what the reason this bilshit CISPA ???
19:07:03 <HiveResearch> billshit lol
19:07:06 <zest> * billshit
19:07:30 <zest> HiveResearch: yeah joepie's word ...
19:07:41 <ryan> cispas pretty cool
19:07:51 <ryan> hopefully it'll stop someone from blowing up shit
19:08:27 <HiveResearch> ryan: animals actually have attributes that normally are considered human
19:08:48 <zest> ryan: ok, there it is, let's pass this ...
19:08:59 <lady-3jane> lol
19:09:00 <HiveResearch> ryan: no one is out to get you and cispa is not there to help, stop thinking ur so special
19:09:51 <zest> HiveResearch: for what this fuck ????
19:10:08 <HiveResearch> lol
19:10:19 <HiveResearch> has ever been like...
19:11:48 <zest> HiveResearch: its like a daddy who knows nothing about PC and say you "hey boy switch it off it consume a lot of electricity"
19:11:51 <HiveResearch> real truth is the human mind sucks at probability and delays adaptation - only Hollywood movie death matters, the many more deaths by mundane means don't matter
19:12:30 <HiveResearch> zest: precisely
19:12:59 <HiveResearch> structural and social integrity crisis bias (bias crisis? lulz)
19:34:20 <MK_FG> So, what are you gonna do about it... punk
19:36:24 <lady-3jane> reframe how the world works
19:36:30 * lady-3jane grins
19:37:03 <MK_FG> Yah! It's all unicorns and rainbows from here onwards
19:37:34 <HiveResearch> lady-3jane: it's a Skittle Massacre
19:37:58 * joepie91 watches as YaST installs kernel
19:38:28 <MK_FG> joepie91, Install gentoo, there's plenty to watch there! ;)
19:38:55 <zest> *_*
19:39:13 <joepie91> MK_FG: I prefer to be watching a progress bar once, and only once :)
19:39:27 <HiveResearch> joepie91: imma debianfag - but i think the best install i ever saw was SuSE
19:39:42 <MK_FG> Burning fire, flowing water, compiling openoffice...
19:40:05 <joepie91> MK_FG: until it says "scratching harddrive"...
19:40:53 <MK_FG> Hm, there's gotta be some compilation-gibberish generation script around
19:41:02 <MK_FG> Might make a cool screensaver
19:41:13 <joepie91> it'll probably be called MaxisPBar :)
19:41:42 <MK_FG> Hm, I didn't get that reference
19:41:56 <MK_FG> I demand explaination!
19:43:41 <joepie91> MK_FG: Maxis is infamous for having loading progress bars in their games with the most ridiculous 'status' messages ever
19:43:47 <joepie91> The Sims, the newer Simcity games, etc :)
19:44:00 <joepie91> or well, what's left of Maxis anyway
19:44:16 <MK_FG> Ah, heh, yeah, guess it'll die after this SimCity
19:44:32 <joepie91> which, inbetween the demise and reboot and their ridiculous online DRM schemes and both associated and unrelated bugs... arguably isn't much
19:45:42 <MK_FG> Damn, why did I stop playing games again
19:46:01 <MK_FG> Screw convergence, gotta go pirate and play something!
19:47:05 <crytocc-c> joepie91
19:47:13 <HiveResearch> I heartily recommend playing Organ Trail = Oregon Trail with Zombies
19:47:27 <lady-3jane> lol MK_FG
19:47:35 <lady-3jane> because you wanted to be productive
19:50:30 <MK_FG> Nah, all this productivity for Teh Greater Good is bullshit, I just like coding something ;)
19:50:50 <lady-3jane> ha!
19:50:52 <lady-3jane> haaaa!
19:50:52 <lady-3jane> https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/922835_584429244911424_380150454_n.jpg
19:51:04 <HiveResearch> all i can do all day is listen to this song from the game
19:51:18 <lady-3jane> so THAT is why rubbing alcohol doesn't burn
19:51:36 <HiveResearch> cuz it explodes?
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19:51:44 <lady-3jane> read the damn picture
19:51:47 <lady-3jane> lol
19:52:06 <lady-3jane> hmmhmm
19:52:21 <lady-3jane> I must now investigate nerve types
19:52:49 <lady-3jane> because I almost don't feel certain types of pain (relative to other people), and it'd be cool to pin down exactly what causes it
19:52:54 <HiveResearch> ok that's extremely addicting info
19:53:26 <HiveResearch> i'm not an emo, but i will #Cut4Science
19:53:27 <lady-3jane> the link with the picture is http://indianapublicmedia.org/amomentofscience/alcohol-on-the-wound/
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19:57:44 <monod> I would like to root out corruption from my country
19:58:25 <lady-3jane> gah
19:58:31 <HiveResearch> press Ctrl+Alt+Bernanke
19:58:58 <lady-3jane> 12:58:54 up 1 day, 5:57, 1 user, load average: 1.61, 1.23, 0.84
19:59:03 <lady-3jane> fuck, load
19:59:41 <lady-3jane> chrome's gc got behind
19:59:47 * lady-3jane runs
20:01:12 <monod> I guess: since I cannot persuade every single person who believes even only in minimum way in corruption, it may be more fruitful to think upon the reasons why a human person starts corrupting and being corrupted
20:01:45 <monod> one may perceive as if corruption may gain him more advantages (over others?)
20:02:15 <lady-3jane> that's a better path to figuring out how to stop it, or create disincentives
20:02:25 <lady-3jane> okay seriously I have to go
20:02:26 <lady-3jane> hahaha
20:02:30 * lady-3jane actually runs
20:02:40 <monod> dunno how to say good bye to you
20:02:45 <monod> other than like this :D
20:02:53 <monod> my poooor english T_T
20:03:00 <monod> oh I got it!
20:03:03 <monod> TTYL!!
20:03:11 <monod> yeah, joepie taught me that :)
20:03:16 <monod> ttyl, lady-3jane
20:04:09 <MK_FG> Like this: Shoo! Scram!!
20:22:06 <zest> 471
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21:02:26 <joepie91> if you use Linux
21:02:32 <joepie91> download and burn this to a disk: http://sourceforge.net/projects/boot-repair-cd/
21:02:34 <joepie91> it's fucking magic
21:03:00 <Matrix> i upgraded gnome
21:03:02 <joepie91> I completely fucked up my HDD/partition setup while installing opensuse because I tried to move the bootloader around and forgot to change a few settings
21:03:03 <Matrix> lost all my plugins
21:03:04 <Matrix> fml
21:03:05 <Matrix> really
21:03:06 <Matrix> fml
21:03:06 <joepie91> so GRUB didn't work
21:03:11 <Matrix> i can't live with pure gnome3
21:03:18 <joepie91> and the above thing told me that it couldn't fix it automatically...
21:03:21 <joepie91> and it actually gave me STEP BY STEP instructions
21:03:24 <Matrix> fuck grub
21:03:25 <joepie91> on what to run in a terminal
21:03:26 <joepie91> to do it manually
21:03:27 <Matrix> rEFInd
21:03:29 <joepie91> like, wtf
21:03:35 <joepie91> and it has actually fixed it!
21:05:07 <joepie91> hmm, 12.3 seems a *lot* faster than 12.1
21:07:50 <ryan> who uses desktop environments
21:16:54 <joepie91> most people do :)
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21:27:22 * Amnesthesia round-house kicks Matrix
21:37:13 <crytocc-c> joepie91!! did you read my msgs?
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22:24:16 <lady-3jane> ahhh
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22:29:38 <ShadowDemonX> meow
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22:29:44 <ShadowDemonX> Long time no see fellas
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23:20:48 <lady-3jane> interesting
23:20:56 <lady-3jane> windows laptop has taken to cyclic rebooting
23:20:59 <lady-3jane> very neat feature
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