Cryto! 21 April 2013
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04:11:10 <lady-3jane> boom!
04:11:16 <lady-3jane> salmon, kale, mushrooms
04:20:13 <AnonyOps> Can you guys try this link? http://anonyops.com/cispablackout/
04:22:10 <lady-3jane> seems to work
04:22:13 <lady-3jane> slower than shit to load
04:23:24 <AnonyOps> Really?
04:23:26 <AnonyOps> Shouldn't be
04:23:38 <AnonyOps> Except maybe the header
04:23:49 <lady-3jane> why would any of it be slow
04:23:56 <lady-3jane> little bit of text and two photos
04:23:57 <lady-3jane> :/
04:24:18 <AnonyOps> dark-grunge-1-detail.jpg which is the header background, is 40kb.
04:24:29 <AnonyOps> The whole thing is ~200kb
04:24:35 <lady-3jane> that's heavy
04:24:36 <lady-3jane> :/
04:24:47 <lady-3jane> use css patterns for background? :D
04:25:09 <lady-3jane> http://lea.verou.me/css3patterns/
04:25:16 <AnonyOps> The only thing that doesn't use css for backgrounds is the header.
04:25:32 <AnonyOps> hm
04:25:53 <lady-3jane> why is it 200k
04:25:56 <AnonyOps> IE would probably have issues with that though
04:25:57 <lady-3jane> what else is taking space
04:26:06 <lady-3jane> IE can die in a fire, next reason
04:26:16 <AnonyOps> You still have to support it though :p
04:26:28 <lady-3jane> No I don't.
04:26:49 <lady-3jane> I make standards compliant code and if it can't deal, blow me.
04:26:51 <lady-3jane> :P
04:27:11 <AnonyOps> Well, the header background is 40kb, the call your senator image is 44k, the megaphone image is 54kb
04:27:12 <lady-3jane> how many of your customers are on IE<8
04:27:20 <lady-3jane> sorry viewers
04:27:25 <lady-3jane> your ad wage slaves
04:27:27 <lady-3jane> >_>
04:27:36 <lady-3jane> crush that shit man
04:27:42 <lady-3jane> those images should be less than half that
04:27:59 <AnonyOps> How can I manage that without sacrificing quality thoguh?
04:28:01 <lady-3jane> jpg down to 90% quality, pngcrush
04:28:09 <AnonyOps> I see
04:28:10 <lady-3jane> whichever
04:28:33 <AnonyOps> megaphone and the call your senator are already .jpg
04:28:57 <AnonyOps> so is the header background
04:28:59 <lady-3jane> oh dude
04:29:01 <lady-3jane> that fuckin header
04:29:06 <lady-3jane> why the hell is it big
04:29:09 <lady-3jane> It's a pattern
04:29:15 <lady-3jane> make a tiny one and have it repeat
04:29:54 <lady-3jane> and you've got big ass logos at the bottom
04:29:55 <lady-3jane> lol
04:30:06 <lady-3jane> the twitter one violates twitter's display guidelines, if you care
04:30:11 <lady-3jane> and the facebook one might as well
04:30:12 <lady-3jane> :P
04:30:25 <lady-3jane> I'm just a giant pain in the ass
04:30:26 <lady-3jane> :P
04:31:44 <lady-3jane> AnonyOps:) I will always be a pain with this stuff because it's what I'm good at with webshit :P
04:35:44 <AnonyOps> I'm used to it, I've known joepie for a while
04:35:47 <AnonyOps> lol
04:36:19 <AnonyOps> Problem with that header image though, is that it has no good repeat cutoff. I can't really make it small or it looks like shit
04:36:26 <AnonyOps> like you can tell that it's repeating
04:36:40 <lady-3jane> mmm
04:37:07 <AnonyOps> Could change the pattern, but I kind of like that one.
04:44:48 <lady-3jane> the heaviest page on my entire site is 287.1kb
04:44:53 <lady-3jane> Kb
04:45:31 <AnonyOps> hm
04:45:31 <lady-3jane> It's got 10 images, a good bit of text, and a buffer button
04:45:48 <lady-3jane> :P
04:46:04 <AnonyOps> What do you think of it now? http://anonyops.com/cispablackout/
04:46:09 <AnonyOps> changed the pattern
04:46:12 <AnonyOps> to something more simple
04:46:16 <AnonyOps> > 1kb
04:46:24 <AnonyOps> < 1kb I mean
04:46:26 <AnonyOps> lol
04:46:32 <lady-3jane> fuck man I'mma go lie downoh dude
04:46:37 <lady-3jane> er
04:46:42 <lady-3jane> there's an enter key there somewhere
04:46:47 <lady-3jane> so like
04:46:50 <lady-3jane> fix your damn fonts too
04:47:00 <AnonyOps> wtf is wrong with the fonts?
04:47:01 <lady-3jane> those three font calls can go on one call to google font thing
04:47:13 <lady-3jane> each of those font calls stops the entire page from loading
04:47:15 <AnonyOps> orly?
04:47:16 <lady-3jane> that's what fonts do
04:47:17 <lady-3jane> yes
04:47:29 <lady-3jane> so the whole thing waits while it pulls in the first font
04:47:31 <lady-3jane> then the secon
04:47:34 <lady-3jane> then the third
04:47:35 <AnonyOps> mhm
04:47:44 <AnonyOps> how do you do all at once, I was not aware of that :o
04:47:45 <lady-3jane> and then you get on to the rest of the page and its images/js whatever
04:48:03 <lady-3jane> so find all three of the fonts in google's font thing and hit add to collection
04:48:15 <lady-3jane> once you've got all three in a collection, it'll give you a single-line to load em
04:48:25 <AnonyOps> well shit
04:48:28 <AnonyOps> I had no idea lol
04:48:32 <lady-3jane> yeah
04:48:35 <lady-3jane> that's what collections are for
04:48:42 <AnonyOps> thx!
04:48:46 <AnonyOps> Was wondering about that tb
04:48:48 <AnonyOps> tbh*
04:48:55 <lady-3jane> you can even review the collections at the end, and they'll give you a fuzzy measure of how much the fonts will slow down the page load
04:49:14 <lady-3jane> so like
04:49:15 <lady-3jane> yeah
04:50:08 <AnonyOps> fix'd
04:50:50 <lady-3jane> already better
04:51:28 <AnonyOps> now the site is ~150
04:51:31 <AnonyOps> kb
04:51:33 <lady-3jane> better :D
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04:53:12 <AnonyOps> hm...
04:53:27 <AnonyOps> 4k visits today, 22,329 hits
04:53:37 <lady-3jane> time for another small serving of salmon and a glass of wine
04:53:53 <AnonyOps> I'm about to pass out myself tbh lol
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05:19:12 <lady-3jane> NP: [The Beatles - Get Back] [Let It Be... Naked ] [787kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
05:26:36 <lady-3jane> NP: [RJD2 - Final Frontier (feat. Blueprint)] [Deadringer] [945kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
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06:48:00 <joepie91> well crap
06:48:04 <joepie91> we had a fire here
06:48:06 <joepie91> cc lady-3jane
07:01:08 <HiveResearch> joepie91: you got btc?
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09:32:11 <monod> hey awesomes
09:32:41 <monod> do you have some fresh, outstanding news from these latest days?
09:32:52 <monod> before I go back offline :D
09:33:15 <monod> like.. bitcoinz?
09:33:18 <monod> botpie91,
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13:01:06 <twitchyliquid64> lady-3jane: new blog post - http://ciphersink.net/routine-1
13:01:11 <twitchyliquid64> thoughts?
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13:32:52 <scaepy> twitchyliquid64, my though... fair play.
13:38:48 <scaepy> AnonyOPS, might a modal popup not be simplier or even a <base href=""> just thinking of one or two lines code to add + modal popup. maybe... thoughts?
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15:45:15 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) services problem (electrical) or "someone was a retard" fire?
15:48:22 <lady-3jane> twitchyliquid64:) That's part of what I touched on for my free-will writing. I'm not done with it yet, but some of your points are in mine :)
15:52:03 <lady-3jane> twitchyliquid64:) You’re presented choices by your environment and the people in it, and you’re able to choose within that decision set. So, every person has an unbroken circle around them of decisions they can make. If you maintain a single environment, such as where you live, and only the people within that environment (work, school, and such), you have access to only a very small subset of those possible decision branches.[<--If you'r
15:52:03 <lady-3jane> e in a small town and have met most people, this subset of decisions approaches a finite path list] [awkward-->] If however, you try new things whenever possible and travel and meet new people whenever possible, you have the chance to expand your working set of starting points. It’s all about recognizing opportunity and seizing it. The thing you’re fighting, in this perspective, is living on a rail. It’s fine, and I have no problem if
15:52:06 <lady-3jane> that’s what you want, but I think there are many people who do not know to choose differently and would do so if they knew to.
15:53:30 <devslashrnd> lady-3jane: tl;dr ^^
15:53:47 <lady-3jane> your loss
15:53:49 <lady-3jane> :)
15:54:58 <lady-3jane> I only tl;dr things I make for hackernews
15:55:04 <lady-3jane> cause those fuckers have no attention span
15:56:07 <devslashrnd> i confess, im one of those
15:57:34 <lady-3jane> that's a part of one of my paragraphs ha
15:57:50 <lady-3jane> there's another 5 or 6 paragraphs
15:57:52 <lady-3jane> >_>
16:00:28 <joepie91> <lady-3jane>joepie91:) services problem (electrical) or "someone was a retard" fire?
16:00:31 <joepie91> the latter
16:00:57 <joepie91> fire was contained though
16:01:21 <joepie91> in the end, the total damage was 1 couch
16:01:41 <lady-3jane> oh damn :(
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16:17:54 <joepie91> anyhow, lady-3jane, the nastiest bit is the smell upstairs now
16:18:06 <joepie91> which is where the shower is, also
16:18:08 <joepie91> but I can live with it
16:18:17 <joepie91> it'll go away somewhere in the next few days anyway
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16:22:23 <lady-3jane> mmhmm
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16:22:46 <lady-3jane> hmm
16:22:59 <lady-3jane> so a young man was arrested when trying to leave the country here
16:23:17 <lady-3jane> cause he was going to try and join one of the alqaeda affiliate groups in the middle east
16:23:42 <lady-3jane> His jail sentence for attempting to provide material support to terrorists caps out at 15 years
16:23:51 <lady-3jane> what was aaronsw's cap? like 35?
16:25:12 <joepie91> can't recall exactly
16:26:01 <lady-3jane> it was somewhere around 30
16:26:16 <lady-3jane> but uh
16:26:17 <lady-3jane> yeah
16:26:22 <lady-3jane> either way, point made.
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16:48:05 <AnonyOps> reddit's r/funny is considering a blackout in support of #CISPABlackout http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/1crosb/lets_talk_about_cispa_and_the_possibility_of_a/
16:52:29 <joepie91> lady-3jane: a box was found in the Netherlands (looks like this: http://www.ethernet.nl/files/IMG_0567.gif), identical in design to the boxes the cable companies use to distribute signals
16:52:48 <joepie91> except this one wasn't on the schematics of the cable company, and it was filled with spying equipment that an expert says is government-issued stuff
16:52:57 <joepie91> a (pinhole) camera, UMTS modem, and other stuff
16:53:20 <joepie91> strangely, the keys of the cable company maintenance crew could open it, so even that was identical
16:53:35 <joepie91> AIVD (the Dutch NSA/FBI) refuses to either admit or deny that it's theirs
16:53:55 <joepie91> but supposedly, the neighbourhood where it was placed, has an active movement with people trying to recruit youth for the way in Syria
16:54:36 <ryan> sttr
16:55:39 <joepie91> AnonyOps: http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=pass_sopa
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17:06:55 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) huh, interesting
17:07:55 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) also lulz at that link
17:07:56 <lady-3jane> fuck yeah
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18:17:32 <Amnesthesia> joepie91
18:17:34 <Amnesthesia> joepie91
18:26:29 <joepie91> Amnesthesia: yes?
18:26:30 <joepie91> also hai
18:26:40 <Amnesthesia> hai
18:26:57 <Amnesthesia> Is this the most active channel on here, or are there hidden ones I cant see with a /list? :3
18:27:38 <joepie91> well, there's a bunch of impatient webchatters passing through #anonnews all day
18:27:48 <joepie91> but this is the channel wityh the most interesting conversation
18:27:48 <joepie91> afaik
18:35:56 <MK_FG> Speaking of which... what do you guys think of js-crypto?
18:36:37 <MK_FG> Specifically, if one were to use some authenticated encryption algo, what'd be the go-to thing for that?
18:37:39 <MK_FG> One of the goals (beyond security and buglessness) is as-good-as-possible interoperability - preferrably with openssl or something widespread like that
18:38:02 <joepie91> MK_FG: as in, cryptography in javascript in general?
18:38:12 <joepie91> the problem is mostly that it's pretty immature so far
18:38:22 <joepie91> there hasn't been much extensive peer review of the existing implementations yet
18:38:22 <lady-3jane> soon there will be actual js bindings to hardware/OS random sources and such, but it's still very much a WIP
18:38:30 <joepie91> and the entropy sources are a continuing problem
18:38:33 <joepie91> exactly
18:39:11 <lady-3jane> If you want a good example of best-possible-right-now go look at the source for cryptocat
18:40:14 <joepie91> fwiw, http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/attachments/20080714/07ea5534/attachment.txt
18:41:45 <lady-3jane> You know what bothers me
18:41:50 <lady-3jane> and I just remembered this
18:42:04 <lady-3jane> verisign sold their entire SSL cert/CA business to symantec.
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18:44:09 <MK_FG> Right, guess I'll try Curve25519 from cryptocat sources, thanks
18:44:09 <lady-3jane> agh
18:44:20 * lady-3jane nods
18:45:15 <lady-3jane> I need to find a site which sells ecc ssl certs someday
18:46:28 <MK_FG> Only hmm... good luck on interoperability with THAT, I guess ;)
18:46:42 <lady-3jane> Oh I don't give a fuck about interoperability
18:46:59 <MK_FG> No, I meant as an addon to my previous line
18:47:02 <lady-3jane> startcom gave me a 4096bit rsa cert
18:47:11 <MK_FG> (given the context of requirements above)
18:47:16 <lady-3jane> yeah
18:47:35 <lady-3jane> well check it, cryptocat runs FF and chrome
18:47:38 <MK_FG> Hopefully the one in pycryptopp is kinda-similar
18:47:38 <lady-3jane> that's half the market
18:47:59 <MK_FG> Nah, I'd like to have it interoperable with something like python
18:47:59 <lady-3jane> perhaps IE10 or 11 will do similar
18:48:13 <lady-3jane> I don't understand what you're trying to do then
18:48:16 <lady-3jane> it's obviously not in a browser
18:48:24 <MK_FG> https://github.com/sametmax/0bin/pull/39
18:48:34 <MK_FG> There's more context in a damn-long form ;)
18:48:45 <lady-3jane> oh, so it is CLI
18:48:50 <MK_FG> Yep!
18:49:01 <MK_FG> (or whatever script)
18:49:01 <lady-3jane> perhaps I should read it first, but why even use js?
18:49:16 <lady-3jane> cause python has lots of great crypto stuff
18:49:18 <MK_FG> js for cli in that particular case?
18:49:22 <lady-3jane> yeah
18:49:28 <lady-3jane> why use js for crypto
18:49:54 <MK_FG> Because it has to be encrypted in exactly the same way as in browser before sending to server
18:50:07 <MK_FG> So that some browser then can decrypt it
18:50:18 <lady-3jane> ahhh
18:50:26 <MK_FG> And all zerobin-things use horrible abomination that is sjcl.encrypt
18:50:28 <lady-3jane> yeah good fuckin luck
18:50:45 <lady-3jane> a braver man than I
18:50:46 <lady-3jane> ha
18:50:52 <MK_FG> Which is simple, but does waaaay to much with a lot of hardcoded parameters and manipulations
18:52:55 <lady-3jane> I can't wait to have a server with modern hardware
18:52:59 <lady-3jane> I want hardware ecc
18:53:22 <lady-3jane> then run the entire crypto system through ecc stuff
18:53:30 <lady-3jane> mmmmm sexy sexy hardware acceleration
18:53:39 <MK_FG> ecc -> ec?
18:53:46 <lady-3jane> sure?
18:53:51 <lady-3jane> elliptic curve
18:53:58 <MK_FG> I thought you meant ECC RAM at first ;)
18:54:30 <lady-3jane> nah
18:54:38 <lady-3jane> :P
18:55:00 <lady-3jane> I want the new crypto shit (ecc) and I want it hardware accelerated
18:55:14 <MK_FG> But it's cheap anyway, why bother?
18:55:23 <lady-3jane> what's cheap
18:55:35 <lady-3jane> aes/rsa and so?
18:55:39 <MK_FG> I use dm-crypt everywhere and it doesn't seem to load cpu at all, even at peakest hdd loads
18:55:53 <lady-3jane> yeah but I'm not talking about crypting drives
18:55:56 <MK_FG> rsa - not so much, sure, but you don't use it often anyway
18:56:14 <lady-3jane> hardware accelerated crypto for ssl sessions mang
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18:56:31 <MK_FG> Not-drives are usually evenn less bandwidth!
18:56:34 <MK_FG> You don't get 100 MiB/s even from net
18:56:45 <lady-3jane> my server chokes right now because it has to do crypto in software
18:56:52 <lady-3jane> there's almost no hardware acceleration
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18:57:32 <MK_FG> Hmmph
18:57:44 <lady-3jane> throughput isn't the issue. I have a 4096bit public key, and the server can't deal with that. It caps out at like 35cps because of the ssl overhead.
18:57:54 <MK_FG> And with web, some php crap should use 100x more resources than crypto...
18:58:18 <lady-3jane> My line gets saturated at closer to 200cps
18:58:39 <lady-3jane> (which I learned when one of my pages hit the front page of hackernews)
18:59:10 <MK_FG> Hm, weird
18:59:19 <lady-3jane> not really
18:59:25 <lady-3jane> I don't run dynamic content, and I use nginx
18:59:32 <lady-3jane> every other part of the network stack is the problem
18:59:47 <lady-3jane> nginx + plain html is not the problem
18:59:47 <lady-3jane> :P
19:00:22 <lady-3jane> kernel tunables, cache hits, headers, and ssl are all more important
19:02:10 <MK_FG> Hm, yeah, looks like rsa-4096 is damn slow indeed
19:03:01 <MK_FG> This laptop does 18.3/s private-key ops on one core with 4096 and 140.3/s for 2048
19:03:34 <MK_FG> Didn't really think there'd be 10x difference, but apparently there is
19:03:44 <lady-3jane> yep
19:04:06 <lady-3jane> our server only has a 1.8ghz singlecore, one of the old amd's that runs for decades
19:04:21 <lady-3jane> so it's great, but somewhat limited in that respect
19:05:02 <MK_FG> There's probably PCI cards for RSA-crypto on ebay then ;)
19:05:17 <lady-3jane> yeah probably
19:05:28 <lady-3jane> but I'd rather just have cpu acceleration bits
19:06:03 <lady-3jane> any card I got would have to be supported by freebsd as a source I think
19:06:10 <joepie91> https://twitter.com/anonnews_org/status/326047155171246081
19:06:12 <joepie91> tweet contents: AnonNews.org will *not* be participating in the anti-#CISPA blackout on January 22nd. This is why: https://joepie91.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/im-tired-of-this-protest-the-next-lettersoup-bill-shit/
19:06:36 <lady-3jane> hehe
19:06:47 <lady-3jane> I buffered that article you linked for tomorrow
19:06:56 <lady-3jane> :3
19:07:21 <joepie91> lady-3jane: ?
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19:07:52 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=pass_sopa
19:07:58 <MK_FG> Or you can get a bunch of usb controllers and a bulk of cheap smartcards ;)
19:08:10 <lady-3jane> haha
19:08:28 <lady-3jane> I don't care THAT much, I just someday want a nice amd 6core opteron
19:08:34 <MK_FG> opensc has an openssl engine for these
19:08:43 <lady-3jane> or one of the 8core ones that's like 1.5ghz
19:09:03 <lady-3jane> paralellism? YES
19:09:44 <MK_FG> Actually, cheap smartcards probably don't do rsa-4096 at all though ;(
19:09:53 <lady-3jane> :(
19:10:01 * lady-3jane has no idea what a smartcard is
19:10:19 <lady-3jane> external crypto accelerator?
19:10:27 <MK_FG> That chip thing in your SIM or VISA card
19:10:48 <MK_FG> But I referred to USB tokens, which are basically that chip bundled with usb cardreader
19:11:03 <lady-3jane> oh
19:11:08 <MK_FG> (into a form of flash-drive-like dongle)
19:11:11 <lady-3jane> yeah
19:14:21 <zest> lady-3jane: smart card also can be in passport, medical or social cards, etc.
19:14:44 <lady-3jane> neat
19:14:50 <MK_FG> It actually might be damn safe to copy site's private rsa key to 100 of such chips, then delete it from disk and only use these ;)
19:14:51 <lady-3jane> I don't have any ones new enough for that
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20:14:05 <lady-3jane> hmm
20:14:18 <lady-3jane> I'm so sad that convergence makes ssl unusable for me :|
20:16:40 <MK_FG> Too slow?
20:20:14 <lady-3jane> nope
20:20:21 <lady-3jane> it caches locally
20:20:30 <lady-3jane> problem: It never gets to the stage of being able to cache the cert
20:20:55 <lady-3jane> what it FEELS like is that I am unable to touch any of the notaries
20:22:12 <lady-3jane> it spends all its time "waiting for xxxx.tld" which iirc is when it hits the notaries on first connect
20:23:19 <lady-3jane> oh WEIRD
20:23:58 <lady-3jane> it looks like twitter is now hiding the reply/retweet/favorite buttons on feeds
20:24:08 <lady-3jane> they pop out when I mouse over the tweets
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21:49:07 <lady-3jane> AWH http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113036
21:49:10 <lady-3jane> 16 core!
21:49:15 <lady-3jane> :O
21:49:31 <lady-3jane> I want one of THOSE, damn
21:51:38 * lady-3jane looks for similarly-cored arm
21:54:28 <lady-3jane> found it! amd is making an arm-based supercompute thing for 2014
21:56:08 <lady-3jane> ooooh even better
21:56:19 <lady-3jane> arm + regular x86_64 cpus in same thing
22:01:07 <zest> and what ?? 10k$ and 128 cores
22:05:06 <zest> * flows
22:06:05 <zest> I had read an article homemade supercomputer, but its in russian sry )
22:06:06 <zest> http://habrahabr.ru/post/170349/
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22:56:53 <joepie91> k, zippydoc is now a pypi package
22:57:01 <joepie91> and includes zpy2html, a tool that converts zpy files to html
22:57:10 <joepie91> (which was totally not obvious from the name :D!)
22:57:11 <joepie91> cc lady-3jane
22:58:24 <lady-3jane> :>
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23:21:46 <lady-3jane> man
23:22:14 <lady-3jane> entrust has put a full ecc cert chain on their future path with "get in touch" for trying it out
23:22:29 <lady-3jane> I almost want to hit them up
23:22:47 <lady-3jane> I'm afraid they're going to try and charge me a shitton though
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23:32:57 <lady-3jane> ha! opera supports tls1.1 and tls1.2 but has them disabled by default
23:33:19 * lady-3jane turns them on and watches as the glorious tls1.2 data flows in
23:35:41 <lady-3jane> hmm and of course it thinks my news page is insecure
23:35:46 <lady-3jane> but won't tell me what is violating https
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