Cryto! 4 April 2013

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00:05:03 <monod> goosh
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00:05:17 <monod> I played a little bit with genealogical trees
00:05:25 <monod> spent a hour O_O
00:05:30 <monod> but it's craaazy.
00:05:41 <monod> Angelina
00:05:52 <monod> you may wanna try this (Greasemonkey script):
00:06:15 <monod> it is called "Straight Google"
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00:06:37 <monod> removes stuff from google's links, leaving just the final URL that anyone would need
00:06:53 <monod> it's a bit like anti-tracking
00:07:44 <monod> this also avoid google's redirections
00:08:07 <monod> but this does not work for some (or all? :/ ) images
00:08:50 <monod> added to spectooo
00:10:36 <monod> joepie91, do you think I could translate some of your webpages to my language?
00:10:45 <monod> because, I was reading this:
00:11:08 <monod> and I thought it could be useful to be spread among people in my country too
00:11:26 <joepie91> monod: you can freely use anything I write :)
00:11:37 <joepie91> translate it, spread it, change it, anything
00:11:48 <monod> WTFPL? :D
00:11:54 <joepie91> yes :P
00:12:01 <joepie91> did you also read my post about licensing?
00:12:02 <monod> ooooh, suspected it.. :D
00:12:14 <monod> hmm, link link link
00:12:17 <monod> I'm not sure
00:13:06 <joepie91> monod:
00:14:16 <monod> definitely never read it, I think I'll read it now, to be sure to know these things..
00:14:35 <monod> sooner or later they will become useful, better sooner than later!
00:19:28 <monod> "Note that for copyrighted works, the jurisdiction that applies is that of the user", I'd write "final user" instead of "user" alone, because I was misinterpreting "user" as the one who created the object of copyright, until I finished the line and read that the "creator" was another person. Just a raw note, consider that is very late here :D joepie91
00:20:22 <joepie91> 'final user
00:20:26 <joepie91> would be incorrect thoug
00:20:28 <joepie91> though *
00:22:23 <monod> oh really?
00:23:25 <joepie91> yes
00:23:33 <joepie91> because it implies that it only applies if you're never going to change it
00:25:29 <monod> someone posted this in the other channel!
00:26:42 <AnonForecast> im actually looking forward to see how joe handles that
00:28:32 <AnonForecast> i think fed psyops bit the wrong internet operator, again :) i bet 5$ they end up regretting it
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00:29:37 <monod> hmph, that's only 0.05 BTC... :lol:
00:43:49 <monod> finished reading the article
00:43:55 <monod> together with other things
00:44:04 <monod> and now it's time for me to go
00:44:14 <monod> I think it has been pretty simple
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07:37:51 <ShadowDemonX> Hello World
07:37:51 <ShadowDemonX> :D
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09:27:37 <Cryto314> damn ascii not owrking
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09:28:55 <Kim_Jong_Un> hi
09:31:21 <ShadowDemonX> lol
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15:07:29 <zxcvbnm> o herro
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15:35:56 <joepie91>
15:35:56 <joepie91> my god
15:36:00 <joepie91> I only just started reading this
15:36:01 <joepie91> have barely scrolled
15:36:10 <joepie91> and I have found at least 5 bullshit or unfounded claims already
15:36:35 <zxcvbnm> what is this
15:36:43 <zxcvbnm> oh, bitcoin bubble
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18:23:20 <monod> hello guys
18:23:34 <monod> good news: windows live messenger has not been closed!
18:23:46 <monod> in opposite of people think!
18:23:56 <monod> or am I just wrong with the official closing date?
18:24:06 <monod> (sometime in March..)
18:24:11 * zxcvbnm never uses windows live messenger, so i'm not sure
18:24:48 <AnonyOps[m]> Me either
18:25:16 <monod> yeah, I used to be nostalgic about that, that's why I keep that in mind :)
18:25:27 <monod> btw
18:25:36 <monod> I have LOTS of link to share with you guys
18:25:45 <MK_FG> I think they planned to close it this march, but moved the date to +1 year
18:25:46 <monod> links*
18:26:54 <monod> found it! "On 15th March 2013 we are retiring the existing Messenger service globally (except for mainland China where Messenger will continue to be available)"
18:27:32 <monod> a company decides to stop people from using a certain software = crap = non-free programs
18:27:36 <MK_FG> Heh, they didn't know China will pull the Ubuntu-trick on them yet ;)
18:27:52 <monod> what's that? :Dù
18:27:56 <monod> :D*
18:28:09 <monod> loggy, pointer?
18:28:09 <loggy>
18:28:16 <MK_FG>
18:29:21 <MK_FG> I wouldn't take it literally though, as most gov-level linux projects seem to end up in officials' pockets with no results here
18:29:22 <monod> wow
18:29:36 <monod> oh
18:30:16 <MK_FG> But that said, China's neighbor Kim has real all-linux policy, I think ;)
18:30:38 <monod> btw, the 'wow' was because you can read in that article that Windows has 90+% of the desktop market O_O in China
18:30:41 <MK_FG>
18:30:41 <monod> Kim?
18:30:47 <monod> ohhh
18:30:52 <monod> *Red Star" <3
18:30:57 <MK_FG> Yeah, the one with nukes ;)
18:31:26 <monod> oh
18:35:44 <joepie91> MK_FG: there seems to be something with Kims and revolutions
18:35:47 <joepie91> ;)
18:36:25 <MK_FG> They're all crazy little yellow people if you ask me ;)
18:37:30 <MK_FG> But on a more serious note, they seem to mirror good old USSR times' propaganda bit-by-bit
18:37:43 <MK_FG> Hopefully they'll collapse just as ussr did
18:47:05 <monod> LOL, "If you hold dollars, you’re trusting the US government not to destroy your wealth. Bitcoin, by contrast, is based on mistrust — it’s specifically designed so that it’s every man for himself. All in Vain was blamed by many in the bitcoin community for his stupidity: what was he thinking, keeping his wallet on a Windows computer attached to the open internet?"
18:47:17 <monod>                                                             ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
18:47:20 <monod> (almost)
18:47:33 <monod> (if you have big windows/terminals)
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18:50:24 <monod> :zomg: "credits in World of Warcraft are valuable enough that Chinese prison guards reportedly force convicts to perform monotonous tasks within the game for 12-hour stretches at a time, building up credits which can then be sold for many times the guards’ official salary"
18:51:13 <MK_FG> Next on agenda: WoW concentration camps
18:52:09 <monod> hahahaha
18:52:17 <monod> <--- X°D
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18:53:53 <monod> oh is this true? "[Bitcoins] certainly won’t be subject to hyperinflation, since the global supply of bitcoins will never exceed 21 million."
18:54:06 <monod> and is it good? So that there could be no inflation!
18:55:48 <monod> nevermind, it will be explained later on in the article
18:55:50 <monod> it seems
18:56:26 <MK_FG> I think it was criticized for it's lack of inflation early on
18:56:43 <zest> what the point, seldom trolling ?
18:57:49 <MK_FG> I don't understand such things myself, but I think the point was that without inflation money won't be changing hands and economy won't function, or something along these lines
18:58:38 <zest> lol, more services and goods to pay need more money, inflation lack of former
18:59:00 <zest> vast of last
18:59:12 <zest> deflation vice versa
18:59:37 <zest> This guy in article just looked for something to write in my view
18:59:51 <MK_FG>
19:00:38 <zest> and what ?
19:01:22 <MK_FG> I think there was somewhat comprehensible explaination of why inflation is good
19:01:32 <MK_FG> Not good, rather necessary
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19:01:52 <zest> "Obviously if you print a lot of new money, it makes existing money worth a little less..." money need to be collateralized by something
19:02:09 <zest> I said the same
19:02:53 <MK_FG> Oh, I don't mean to argue with you on this topic, just remembered where I've seen the aforementioned "point"
19:03:20 <zest> yeah sorry, I'm a bit angry )
19:04:36 <zest> you know all investors looks for heaven and they see it bitcoins, but this is competition and other assets can struggle than
19:04:40 <MK_FG> Nah, you may be right for all I know, unknown complex things as economy look very voodoo to me ;)
19:04:48 <zest> *it in bitcoins
19:05:12 <zest> I have some knowledge in this area
19:05:40 <zest> know your enemy and friends )
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19:16:41 <MK_FG> zest, Actually, I wonder if you can tell what's (in your opinion) happening with BTC right now
19:17:18 <MK_FG> My theory is that people seem to want to hold on to BTCs much more than usual
19:17:29 <MK_FG> ...due to the fact that it's rising fast
19:17:42 <MK_FG> ...and that produces kinda self-perpetuating cycle
19:18:05 <MK_FG> Where people buy btc to profit and it's price rises, so more people do the same to the same effect...
19:18:55 <MK_FG> Meaning that it will crash hard eventually and fast, when they'll start trying to cash it into local currencies?
19:19:10 <MK_FG> ...unless some very rich market of goods-for-btc appears
19:19:47 <zest> hard truth, I agree with you 100%
19:20:08 <MK_FG> Oh, damn, I wish you wouldn't ;)
19:20:12 <zest> but such article stops some crazy heads )
19:20:25 <MK_FG> Like, say something along the lines of "you're wrong here and there" ;)
19:20:35 <zest> :)
19:22:00 <zest> I think nevertheless this might be temporarily and this currency has very high value
19:22:27 <joepie91> MK_FG: don't forget that deflation (even rapid deflation) does not automatically mean that something is a bubble
19:22:39 <joepie91> especially since there's currently a serious change in public perception of Bitcoin going on
19:22:48 <MK_FG> Yeah, I probably misuse "bubble" word here
19:23:20 <zest> hard to assess it
19:23:34 <MK_FG> And indeed, getting people to think about traditional cash alternatives is probably value all in itself
19:24:07 <zest> number of transactions increased too and that is nice
19:24:25 <MK_FG> But still, "deflation ahead" it is...
19:24:42 <MK_FG> And drama, lots of it!
19:25:45 <zest> maybe not if level of трансацтионс will saved
19:25:45 <zest> transactions
19:26:40 <MK_FG> Hm? Was is punto switcher kicking in or something like that? ;)
19:27:33 <zest> weird stuff, I don't use it ))
19:27:55 <zest> * google translate ^_^
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19:31:03 * zest bugs sticks to me today
19:31:23 <MK_FG> I guess "level of transactions" can indeed mean just "cash transfers", not just "market of goods-for-btc appears"
19:31:35 <MK_FG> *not only
19:32:45 <zest> yeah this is like good and evil
19:57:11 <monod> hey zest, and others, I have a question on bitcoins: how do you get bitcoins from other currencies?
19:57:15 <monod> since there's no bank...
19:57:27 <monod> since it's decentralized...
19:59:41 <joepie91> my god
19:59:47 <joepie91> what the fuck is with people and security
19:59:57 <joepie91> why the fuck does 99% of the developers have an "I don't care" attitude towards it
20:00:28 <joepie91> two people in ##php on freenode are now arguing how I'm being 'unreasonable' in wanting a hashing algo without a length limit
20:00:39 <joepie91> all the while failing to understand how basic password strength calculation works
20:02:13 <monod> 1) is it based on entropy? or easier than that? 2) not limiting length? Why would you use/need that?
20:04:11 <joepie91> monod: the primary difference that they fail to understand is that the strength of an 80-character passphrase is NOT equal to that of an 80-character random string
20:04:39 <monod> just because you let the "random" in
20:04:42 <monod> nope?
20:06:22 <joepie91> monod: the difference is that in a passphrase, the 'alphabet size' is the amount of words that you can expect to be used in a passphrase, ie. common dictionary words and such
20:06:29 <joepie91> and the 'password length' is the amount of words
20:06:43 <joepie91> for a random string, the alphabet size is the amount of possible characters
20:06:48 <joepie91> and the password length is the amount of characters
20:07:06 <monod> MK_FG: the article on you mentioned I think it tries to show (in the initial lines) why inflation may become necessary in certain situation, that are when "too many" people, in respect of what it used to be before, would like to work, causing the lack of money to retribute their work.. so, everyone's working = inflation rises IFF (=if and only if) they all want to be paid the absolute value they used to perceive. Otherwise,
20:07:15 <joepie91> as for 'not limiting length', because I'm not the one that should be deciding how long peoples passwords can be
20:08:20 <monod> MK_FG: paying and evaluating with "relative meanings" may "solve" the physical lack of money
20:08:26 <monod> zest, cc (carbon copy)
20:11:31 <monod> joepie91: oh right, "passphrase" means... first, a phrase! :D so it obviously is expected to be made up of words... I mixed the "password" and "passphrases" ideas together :S
20:11:43 <joepie91> yes
20:11:50 <joepie91> also
20:11:52 <joepie91> to answer this
20:11:52 <joepie91> <monod>hey zest, and others, I have a question on bitcoins: how do you get bitcoins from other currencies?
20:11:54 <joepie91> via an exchange
20:12:00 <monod> with who?
20:12:03 <joepie91> of some sort
20:12:10 <joepie91> can be an automated exchange, or a person-to-person trade
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20:12:44 <monod> exchange you say? like 'dollars for bitcoins' ?
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20:13:53 <joepie91> yes
20:14:33 <monod> that's the point! :D who initially gave (had) the first bitcoins? :)
20:14:56 <zest> Mt.Gox
20:15:06 <monod> that is, who took the responsability (trust) of converting money in bitcoins?
20:15:25 <zest> Jed McCaleb
20:15:30 <monod> lol, at first I tried to reach Mt.Gox with tab auto-completion, thinking he was a user xD
20:15:50 <zest> )
20:15:59 <monod> in reality, isn't it (Mt.Gox) the first big bitcoin's scammer???
20:16:15 <monod> and also, what's that ')' you type now and then? :)
20:16:17 <zest> Jeb works now on  Ripple
20:16:32 <monod> I saw people using that and I did not realize what it means
20:16:42 <zest> :)
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20:17:29 <monod> ) == :) ??
20:17:39 <zest> y
20:17:42 <monod> welcome ladyyyy!
20:17:49 <monod> oh, wow, that simple....
20:18:02 <monod> and what '))' stands for if you know?
20:18:06 <monod> welcome back*
20:18:07 <lady-3jane> :)
20:18:09 <lady-3jane> Allo :)
20:18:10 <zest> double :)
20:18:15 <monod> oh
20:18:18 <monod> really???????
20:18:19 <monod> ok
20:18:19 <zest> hey
20:18:25 <lady-3jane> Finally replaced my failed harddrive :>
20:18:27 <monod> achieved xD
20:18:36 <monod> great new, lady-3jane!
20:18:40 <lady-3jane> yessssss
20:18:45 <monod> and I finally solved my debian issues *_*
20:18:47 <lady-3jane> It's bigger and faster and not dead
20:18:51 <lady-3jane> woot :D
20:19:18 <monod> now it's the most beautiful linux I've *ever* owned, even more than the absolutely lovable 10.04 and 10.10 *_*
20:20:00 <monod> I suggest you take a look at the loggy, pointer? because here we were talking about interesting topics
20:20:08 <lady-3jane> kay :)
20:20:14 <lady-3jane> loggy, pointer?
20:20:14 <loggy>
20:20:34 <lady-3jane> I got my ubuntu back up and running :D
20:20:42 <monod> which one?
20:20:43 <lady-3jane> changed a bunch of shit and now it works well
20:20:44 <lady-3jane> :>
20:20:45 <monod> 12.04?
20:20:46 <lady-3jane> 120.10
20:20:49 <monod> lol
20:20:54 <lady-3jane> FROM THE FUTAR
20:20:57 <monod> you are far AHEAD TIME
20:21:00 <monod> hahaahah
20:21:22 <lady-3jane> man, ubuntu in oct 2120
20:21:24 <lady-3jane> would be surreal
20:21:29 <monod> hahahahaha xDDD
20:21:46 <monod> by that year people will be used to teleport xD
20:22:17 <lady-3jane> I hope so
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20:22:56 <monod> anyway, I think you won't also miss Straight Google and/or Google Tracking-B-Gone, scripts for Greasemonkey, so Firefox (yet Chrome too), scripts that strips (U_U) Google's redirects and trackign URIs everywhere
20:23:11 <monod> but not from, as it seems to me ^o)
20:23:21 <monod> which is sad/strange... :hmm:
20:23:30 <lady-3jane> hmm
20:23:44 <lady-3jane> I'm trying chromium out this time, not chrome
20:23:53 <lady-3jane> mostly it just means I'm out of date
20:23:55 <lady-3jane> :(
20:23:59 <monod> oh
20:24:06 <monod> poor chromium :(
20:25:14 <monod> and also, a webpage watcher: Specto. Written in python, so people here (maybe joepie too), could be interested in giving a look at the code, since it's no more maintained by its creator
20:25:36 <monod> I'm currently using Specto on Debian, with no results since there were no changes yet xD
20:25:50 <monod> anyawy, END OF SPAM.
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20:26:23 <monod> you could read all of this in the yesterday's log, after all xD
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20:27:19 <lady-3jane> almost killed myself there, agh
20:27:27 <lady-3jane> put wrong permissions on .ssh/
20:27:40 <monod> :D
20:27:51 <lady-3jane> now I have to fix
20:28:04 <lady-3jane> 777 again but .ssh should not be would writable
20:28:38 <monod> even readable!
20:28:46 <monod> as I saw at my university
20:28:51 <monod> from what* I saw
20:31:29 <lady-3jane> okay, 700 it is
20:33:38 <monod> yo
20:34:19 <monod> oh. my. god.
20:34:22 <lady-3jane> and it works
20:34:23 <lady-3jane> :D
20:34:38 <monod> aaron's article is so.... clear! it means he knew the topic very well!
20:34:48 <monod> good, lady-3jane!
20:34:49 <lady-3jane> which
20:34:49 <lady-3jane> :D
20:34:58 <monod> this:
20:35:02 <lady-3jane> NP: [Fergie - Fergalicious [Feat. Will.I.Am]] [The Dutchess] [953kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
20:35:04 <lady-3jane> HA
20:35:12 <lady-3jane> I ported across OS and it still works
20:35:14 <lady-3jane> :DDDDD
20:35:48 <monod> wow, no mouse involved: Alt+Tab for swithing to Firefox, F6 to select current URL, Ctrl+C, Alt+Tab, Ctrl+V, Return :D
20:35:59 <monod> what do you mean with 'ported across OS' ?
20:36:18 <lady-3jane> I made the script to do NP: two OS installs ago
20:36:31 <lady-3jane> and I just copied the xchat folder over and it worked
20:36:33 <lady-3jane> :D
20:36:45 <zest> cool
20:37:32 <lady-3jane> oh cool, I even saved my btc wallet
20:37:33 <lady-3jane> woot
20:37:43 <monod> haha
20:39:46 <lady-3jane> hahaha
20:39:55 <lady-3jane> [explodie@nagisa ~]$ sudo apt-get install git
20:39:55 <lady-3jane> -bash: sudo: command not found
20:40:19 <lady-3jane> freebsd != ubuntu :D
20:40:31 <lady-3jane> NP: [The Hazies - Trip Free Life] [Vinnie Smokin' In The Big Room] [1040kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
20:40:32 <monod> :)
20:41:11 <monod> what are the most notice-worth feartures of FreeBSD?
20:41:18 <monod> and other BSDs?
20:41:20 <monod> if you know
20:41:33 <lady-3jane> I like it because it can run forever
20:41:45 <lady-3jane> It also doesn't do anything automatically
20:42:06 <lady-3jane> linux automagically does lots of things, which is very nice sometimes
20:42:08 <monod> "it can run forever"? What do you mean?
20:42:19 <lady-3jane> if you never reboot it, it will run for years
20:42:21 <lady-3jane> :P
20:42:38 <lady-3jane> I dunno
20:42:48 <lady-3jane> it's very stable and secure, and set up slightly differently than linux
20:43:11 <lady-3jane> for me it has been more stable than linux, which is why I use it on my servers
20:43:42 <monod> I never thought there could be something else, after linux :O
20:43:52 <lady-3jane> it's before linux
20:43:53 <lady-3jane> not after
20:44:10 <lady-3jane> BSD predates linux :P
20:44:21 <monod> can you tell me more about "slighty differently than linux"? and, I meant "after having saw linux" :P
20:44:43 <lady-3jane> ahh
20:45:31 <lady-3jane> The file layout is different, so config files are kept in many places (linux is in /etc/ and your user dir, but freebsd has a set in /usr/local/etc as well for user applications)
20:46:24 <lady-3jane> and it doesn't, for example, restart applications without asking you
20:46:26 <monod> oh, so that config files are always inside some 'etc' folder, somewhere
20:46:41 <lady-3jane> (linux does that when you "upgrade" a package or installed app, usually)
20:47:08 <lady-3jane> and any services that run at boot must be explicitly told to do so
20:47:23 <IR601> explain freebsd jails ?
20:47:25 <lady-3jane> none of this "well I installed mysql so now it always runs"
20:47:38 <lady-3jane> I don't know about jails, I don't use them
20:47:56 <lady-3jane> light virtualization, though:)
21:09:12 <joepie91> MK_FG, lady-3jane,
21:13:32 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) lol
21:13:52 <monod> :D
21:16:02 <lady-3jane> I love it
21:16:18 <lady-3jane> when I hit the sleep button on my keyboard, it turns on "stop after this track" in my music player
21:16:20 <lady-3jane> fuck yes
21:24:17 <monod> in your life there are: eating, sleeping and DeaDBeeF!
21:24:21 <monod> lady-3jane ^
21:24:48 <monod> how the heck could aaronsw come to 'whynojobs' reflections and conclusions?!?!?
21:25:11 <monod> how did he get so much detailed, working, informations?
21:25:24 <monod> asking myself too
21:25:48 <zest> 99 movement
21:25:51 <zest> friends
21:26:06 <zest> inventions
21:26:18 <zest> no speculations
21:36:31 <lady-3jane> haha
21:36:37 <lady-3jane> that was a really good write up
21:36:59 <lady-3jane> I learned everything information wise in that writeup in my intro economics class
21:38:31 <lady-3jane> which is why econ is the class I recommend every single person take
21:38:43 <lady-3jane> intro courses in both macro and micro
21:39:03 <lady-3jane> coincidentally, those classes probably complete graduation requirements for most people as well
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21:57:18 <AnonyOps> sup sup
21:57:28 <AnonyOps> finally home...
21:59:52 <lady-3jane> :>
21:59:56 <lady-3jane> you was travellin?
22:00:15 <lady-3jane> and/or where'd you go?
22:00:24 <AnonyOps> work
22:00:35 <lady-3jane> mm
22:01:25 <lady-3jane> haha monod I tweeted aaronsw's thing you were talking about earlier, just to remind peeps
22:01:26 <lady-3jane> :>
22:02:36 <lady-3jane> hmm
22:02:45 <lady-3jane> I think the house across from me has someone who deals drugs in it now
22:02:56 <lady-3jane> traffic patterns indicate it
22:03:07 <zest> ))
22:03:33 <lady-3jane> It's nice that all the druggies in this town wear spiffy clothing and are generally upstanding people :D
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22:26:05 <monod> great lady-3jane!
22:26:11 <monod> sorry for not responding quickly
22:26:18 <monod> have another friend on another conversation
22:26:20 <monod> well done though
22:29:42 <monod> oh god, now I read what you said about the writeup, lady-3jane
22:29:46 <monod> I think you're right
22:29:57 <monod> seriously got to go now gius
22:29:58 <monod> guys*
22:30:03 <monod> have a nice day!
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