Cryto! 2 April 2013

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04:35:52 <Ari> Heh, it's hilarious some of the shit I find while browsing
04:35:57 <Ari> joepie91, want a laugh?
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08:32:09 <monod> hello back guys+
08:37:58 <MK_FG> oꞁꞁǝɥ
08:39:15 <monod> woa *___*
08:40:03 <MK_FG> Nah, it's just a silly python "upsidedown" module - ;)
08:40:55 <monod> that's cool anyway! ^_^
08:41:56 <MK_FG> Can probably crash some irc clients, too ;)
08:42:17 <monod> haha
08:42:37 <ryan> MK_FG: I doubt that
08:43:18 <ryan> I doubt any IRC client that crashes due to UTF8 would be used by anyone
08:43:20 <monod> in fact, I immediately wondered what if I wouldn't be using this very client what could have happened
08:43:30 <ryan> ^ÂÊÎÔÛâêîôûĈĉĜĝĤĥĴĵŜŝŴŵŶŷˆ̭̂᷍ḒḓḘḙḼḽṊṋṰṱṶṷẐẑẤấẦầẨẩẪẫẬậẾếỀềỂểỄễỆệỐốỒồỔổỖỗỘộ⨣⨶⩯ꞈ^󠁞
08:43:36 <ryan> that crashes some implementations of GTK
08:43:42 <ryan> but that's as far as it goes
08:43:57 <monod> stupid question, does irssi use UTF8? I know someone here uses it now and then
08:44:07 <ryan> Yes
08:44:15 <ryan> Well, the word you are looking for is 'support'
08:44:29 <ryan> it supports UTF8 and uses it if you tell it to
08:44:31 <monod> also, how the hell do you have all those odd characters ready for use, ryan? :D
08:44:32 <ryan> I'm using irssi atm
08:44:45 <ryan> I have an alias for them
08:44:47 <monod> oh ok, "support", right
08:45:10 <ryan> It's always fun to crash people who run pidgin or xchat on windows
08:45:14 <monod> hahaha
08:45:43 <monod> wait.. pidgin has a command line interface too?
08:45:51 <ryan> I don't know
08:45:56 <MK_FG> finch, iirc
08:45:58 <ryan> libpurple does
08:46:02 <ryan> but I doubt pidgin itself has
08:50:16 <monod> got to go....
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09:47:26 <monod> hi guys
09:47:36 <monod> loggy, pointer?
09:47:36 <loggy>
09:49:34 <monod> I have to say something, I'll try to write the most important pieces in the topic of #monod
09:53:31 <monod> I think I would like to have a blog to write to during my f*****g sad moments
09:53:50 <monod> considering wordpress as an easy, light, fast way of doing that
10:13:28 <monod>
10:13:38 <MK_FG> You mean hosted free blog on some wordpress.{com,org} site?
10:13:41 <monod> google buys everything and then... shut them off!!
10:13:51 <monod> hmm
10:13:55 <monod> yeah, kind of!
10:14:04 <monod> yet...
10:14:15 <monod> the fact is that I'm very depressed and I don't know who to talk to
10:14:23 <monod> I think anyone could understand
10:14:40 <monod> atm I'm thinking that university has ruined me more than ever
10:15:01 <monod> I'm doing stuff I don't even care about
10:15:20 <monod> I only wanted to become a hacker, when I was younger
10:15:31 <monod> now, and only *NOW*, I realize that's a stupid thing
10:15:50 <monod> my friend-rival challenged me more than... 5 years ago? cracking his homepage:
10:15:53 <MK_FG> Mm, you mean "hacker" in a black-hat sense?
10:16:08 <monod>
10:16:38 <monod> I'll be honest, I don't think I would have liked to be an internet destroyer or DDoSer
10:17:07 <monod> I wanted to be the one who knew lots of thing, actually, all the things related to security, always up-to-date...
10:17:35 <MK_FG> Knowing all things is certainly an unreachable goal, by a long shot
10:17:40 <monod> (now I also see that it's impossible to do that, yet it's possible if you consider only the fields you like most instead of just "everyhing")
10:17:50 <monod> right, MK_FG
10:17:56 <MK_FG> And setting goals for oneself might be a mistake all in itself...
10:18:10 <monod> well
10:18:17 <monod> I never had really "set" anything
10:18:23 <monod> I followed my heart!
10:18:25 <MK_FG> "Either you don't reach them and consider yourself a failure, or you get there and go 'now what?'"
10:18:38 <MK_FG> -- paraphrased Stephen Fry, I think
10:18:50 <monod> hmm
10:19:36 <MK_FG> Yeah, following is great, and you never fail there, and it's always fun and a huuuge lot of great things ahead
10:20:10 <monod> yet it's arguable, because when you reach some goals, you can fill up a list full of them for when you'd like to show up in people's face, if you are that kind of person, which I am not and neither you are, I'm sure..
10:21:27 <monod> all started when my brother joined a gaming forum, our first, and that forum got hacked. So some people from the forum registered into a "hacking" forum, my brother did it too and when I discovered this I thought it was purely amazing
10:21:35 <monod> it was the "magic" into computers
10:21:37 <MK_FG> Well, yeah, "goals" is a bit ambiguous term here
10:21:51 <MK_FG> Above I meant in a sense of "goals of life"
10:22:07 <MK_FG> But arguably these never exist in a pure form ;)
10:22:16 <monod> I agree
10:22:41 <monod> yet, the big/real question
10:22:52 <MK_FG> There's certainly a lot of whatever magic in computers and whatever science around them
10:23:12 <MK_FG> Like haskell code
10:23:18 <MK_FG> Or perl
10:23:34 <monod> why perl?
10:24:41 <MK_FG>
10:24:42 <monod> wow, "a standardized, general-purpose purely functional programming language, with non-strict semantics and strong static typing"
10:24:55 <monod> oh, are you in perlmonks too?? :) :) :)
10:24:57 <MK_FG> ^^^ due to some code like that ;)
10:25:06 <MK_FG> No, just googled it
10:25:26 <monod> oh, sorry xD
10:25:57 <MK_FG> There's plenty of weird indecipherable perl one-liners around, possible due to various historical goofs of it's syntax ;)
10:26:15 <MK_FG> Not to say that all perl code is magic
10:26:26 <monod> alright
10:29:31 <monod> by the way, do you understand my situation?
10:30:08 <monod> even I do not understand it, after all.. :(
10:30:33 <monod> so, it may be inadequate to ask you if *you* understood it
10:30:49 <monod> or it may not after all! maybe you see something that I don't see
10:31:02 <monod> I'll shut up if you want, though..
10:31:27 <MK_FG> Not really - you realized that breaking into stuff isn't that interesting, ok, and plenty of other stuff around!
10:33:00 <monod> I don't understand why there's no people better than others
10:33:04 <monod> for example
10:33:46 <monod> in this very moment, I'm wondering if I joined engineering only because they suggested me so, so that I would get a job soon
10:33:51 <monod> or a well paid one too
10:34:41 <monod> and I'm wondering: why people who do succeed in engineering would not be better than those like me who do not?
10:35:47 <monod> and I think like this, because *very probably* it's *ME* that would feel better than others if passed engineering with full marks
10:36:06 <monod> sorry for my bad english, I'm not sure I wrote it all correctly
10:36:16 <MK_FG> Oh, I wondered what "succeed" meant there
10:36:38 <monod> you're right.. hmm, "pass exams" I think
10:36:45 <monod> "succeed" was too "big"
10:36:53 <monod> was this what you meant?
10:37:41 <MK_FG> Dunno why you even care about these marks
10:37:45 <monod> if I look back to programming, to which I was almost introduced by the internet and my friend-rival
10:38:07 <monod> hmm
10:38:29 <monod> because the average of those marks in the three years are your final mark
10:38:42 <MK_FG> No, I mean, at all
10:38:52 <monod> that "shows" how *much* good you were
10:38:53 <monod> hmm
10:38:59 <monod> you spotted me
10:39:05 <MK_FG> I've dropped off university and no one ever cared about my education much, I think
10:39:20 <monod> that's something a lot of people asked me, why do I care for marks
10:39:47 <MK_FG> And in *IT* "engineering" job there are certainly lot of things that make education totally irrelevant
10:39:50 <monod> I think they're the unit of measure in the ambient of school
10:40:17 <monod> sorry, not ambient, but environment
10:41:12 <MK_FG> I guess there might be people who like some expensive job like "playing with gigawatt lasers" and education and that job is important to them
10:42:17 <monod> sorry, my bad, I did not understand your last message
10:44:15 <MK_FG> I just wanted to say that *I think* most people shouldn't care about their success in "education" as it's irrelevant later on
10:44:54 <monod> if so, there would be no problems for me to pass exams, with mediocres marks though..
10:45:09 <monod> interestingly (or not?)
10:45:32 <MK_FG> I'm not a all-things-in-the-world expert, maybe I'm just wrong there
10:45:50 <monod> interestingly (or not?) my friend-rival wonders about what it would be like to enter secret agencies, like NSA
10:45:52 <MK_FG> But if you want my random advice - stop giving a shit about these marks
10:46:15 <MK_FG> In fact, drop out of whatever idiotic "education" crap you're doing and go do whatever you like
10:46:20 <monod> what you're saying is fine to me, don't worry!
10:46:33 <MK_FG> You can't starve, just take it as a fact
10:46:43 <monod> in what sense?
10:46:54 <monod> I cannot starve because I'm fine enough?
10:47:02 <monod> or because I will not allow myself to starve?
10:47:20 <monod> the first one?
10:47:22 <MK_FG> Just because it's damn near impossible - you'll always find a way to get by
10:47:30 <monod> oh ko
10:47:32 <monod> ok*
10:47:46 <monod> I don't know what's wrong with my mind
10:48:25 <monod> why I'm taking all like I am and why are you... so "easy-going"? if the term is correct (non-dispregiatve)
10:49:02 <monod> well, another thing, women/girls will only look for the best men/guys out there
10:49:12 <monod> maybe that's one reason for my troublings
10:49:22 <MK_FG> It's easy for me to be "easy-going" to other people, but I sometimes end up thinking just like you're now in terms of "it's hopeless, I fail, there's no point, etc"
10:49:37 <MK_FG> And it's just a temporary delusion, nothing more
10:50:14 <MK_FG> It's hard to accept it as such when you're trapped in it, but it'll be obvious in hindsight
10:51:12 <monod> I can never find it obvious in hindsight :( and when these moments come, at times they're small and I pass them very quickly
10:51:51 <monod> but at other times it's either me feeding them and getting them bigger (auto lesionist?) or me feeling heavily hopeless
10:52:02 <monod> and thus depressed, again and again over time..
10:52:31 <MK_FG> Hm, actually, come to think of it...
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10:53:13 <MK_FG> When you're out of this state, you don't really remember much *relevant* details other than "here are things I felt bad about"...
10:53:38 <MK_FG> ...and looking at them later, I think "umm... so... so what's so bad?"
10:53:53 <monod> hmm.. more or less it is so, in effect (for the first one)
10:54:00 <MK_FG> You kinda loose the very capacity to feel bad along the same lines ;)
10:54:03 <monod> for the second one I cannot recall that atm
10:54:12 <monod> hmm
10:54:16 <monod> it may be
10:54:42 <monod> I only remember that when I exited the last one, I started playing my old games and relaxing...
10:55:00 <monod> but I kind of felt guilty for not being studying.... :(
10:55:06 <MK_FG> Maybe recording these very feelings (like, in a journal) would help preserve them for later laughs
10:55:10 <monod> I feel so bad even now...
10:55:19 <monod> that would be great
10:55:47 <monod> and, such a coincidence :P, I wanted to write them in a blog, as I said earlier on :D
10:55:58 <monod> a blog of a depressed man
10:56:03 <MK_FG> In fact, the very fact of structuring your thoughts as you write them might help you be more methodical and sane about them
10:56:05 <monod> sounds good to me
10:56:14 <monod> yes
10:56:21 <MK_FG> Yeah, it doesn't even have to be a public blog
10:56:31 <MK_FG> Just open a .txt.gpg file and go ;)
10:56:46 <monod> I'm not that tech-savvy :(
10:56:58 <monod> never "had the time" of learning certificates and keys..
10:57:05 <monod> so a txt will do for me..
10:57:06 <MK_FG> So go and learn
10:57:09 <monod> not now
10:57:21 <monod> hmm
10:57:27 <monod> wait a moment
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10:57:48 <monod> I already had some (many) moments writing my feelings down into notebooks
10:57:52 <monod> virtual and real ones
10:57:54 <MK_FG> Dunno, I think you'll just enjoy any activity a lot more than some recursive self-misery ;)
10:58:30 <MK_FG> Journaling is one of the way to limit that recursion
10:58:50 <monod> yes, but what should I do with my "duty"... university... yet this may not be a question for you
10:59:06 <MK_FG> Write it all out and as you'll just finish at some point, and get over it
10:59:25 <MK_FG> It's not a "duty"
10:59:47 <monod> instead it really is
10:59:51 <monod> in my opinion ^
10:59:51 <MK_FG> Just some bs expectation, put upon you by others you have no obligation to fulfill whatsoever
11:00:11 <MK_FG> Why the hell it is?
11:00:29 <MK_FG> Screw those people and their bs "duties"
11:00:55 <MK_FG> And don't even think of using "but family!" reasoning here
11:01:06 <monod> no problem with that
11:01:12 <MK_FG> "family" is usually the biggest collection of random assholes in the world
11:01:12 <monod> but thanks anyway
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11:01:36 <monod> I rather think it depends
11:01:45 <MK_FG> ...imposed on one by the damn accident of birth
11:02:00 <monod> the bad family puts you constraints
11:02:02 <MK_FG> Yeah, certainly depends ;)
11:02:06 <monod> oooh, okay
11:02:21 <monod> alright then :D
11:02:30 <monod> btw, I did not forget the above question
11:02:38 <monod> I'm trying to answer:
11:02:43 <MK_FG> Just wanted to say that the "family" fact is no reason to consider some stupid wish "a duty" ;)
11:03:21 <MK_FG> (as I don't see why else you might even think that you have one)
11:03:45 <monod> "you have one", talking about the duty rright?
11:03:51 <MK_FG> Yep
11:04:15 <monod> because of sense of responsability, but.... I think it's a mixture of that (30%) AND:
11:04:41 <monod> Just some bullshit(?) expectation, put upon you by others you have no obligation to fulfill whatsoever
11:04:45 <monod> (70%)
11:05:03 <monod> I say this because I always look how others see me
11:05:13 <monod> that's why I am pleasant to others, in real life
11:05:22 <monod> it's kind of...being kind
11:05:44 <monod> and it also gives me an insight into what other think like
11:05:53 <monod> a sort of simpathy/empathy
11:05:54 <monod> BUT
11:06:00 <monod> I know it's not 100% good
11:06:22 <monod> in fact, I end up asking myself why can't I even write "informatics and programming are my way"
11:06:41 <monod> (because I can't even write that, because I don't feel sure enough to say that=
11:06:41 <monod> )
11:06:59 <monod> dunno if I got you lost in my thoughts or if I got you to understand
11:08:02 <MK_FG> But it's just that - "a sense" of some "responsibility", "duty", whatever, right?
11:09:03 <monod> and maybe a little bit of arrogance or superbness towards others, because I'm that kind of person who did not already understand why people who finish university aren't better than who did not
11:09:13 <monod> but I want to know!
11:09:21 <monod> I don't want to be *that* bad!
11:09:56 <monod> and also, why am I bothering knowing this? perhaps because I will feel better than those who do not understand it like I don't atm ???
11:10:01 <monod> so it's another recursion???
11:10:17 <monod> I let you speak now, because I need a fresh POV I guess
11:11:09 <monod> maybe it's my father's fault
11:11:30 <monod> because he works a lot and... and that' all he does
11:11:33 <monod> that's*
11:15:19 <MK_FG> Hm, as I see it, "1. I feel good (and care) if others like me", "2. I don't like doing what (I think) others want (or expect) me to", "3. I want to feel good" is a contradiction, so why not recognize it as such and loose 1 or 2 instead of 3?
11:16:10 <monod> wow
11:16:17 <monod> you got me!
11:16:21 <monod> understood*
11:16:22 <MK_FG> Others actually see that "all I do" is "code" (or whatever similar) and feel bad about me ;)
11:16:48 <MK_FG> Might look as pretty much same thing as "boring work" to them
11:16:49 <monod> guess what? is true here too! :D that's the "feeling"
11:16:50 <monod> about you
11:17:21 <monod> just because you don't talk a lot, but that's not even true at 100% because sometimes you have some cool things to say here
11:17:31 <monod> like ERC, which I liked, and the
11:17:41 <monod> the python-thing I can't recall now...........
11:17:44 <monod> which I liked too xD
11:18:05 <monod> ..upsidedown
11:18:15 <MK_FG> Well, I actually meant people who know more about me, who I hang out with occasionally, but heh, guess it's universal ;)
11:18:38 <monod> hahaha
11:18:44 <monod> sorry, I did not get that
11:19:23 <monod> you had me think of a thing: for the 1-2-3 contradication, and getting rid of some 1 or 2, I could start thinking that:
11:19:34 <monod> (*try and start thinking that)
11:20:05 <monod> I could just be sure to be nice with people who really know me and care not about how people who do not know well see me
11:20:13 <monod> yea, but it's crap now that I think
11:20:26 <monod> because that would be like being polite with known people and unpolite with strangers xD
11:20:40 <monod> which is the opposite of what I'm actually doing, now that I think! :O
11:20:59 <monod> the more stranger the other person, the more polite I am, almost
11:21:16 <monod> while within my family, I'm really impolite/unpolite
11:21:22 <MK_FG> Phh, people who really know and like you would care about and like *by far* most whether you're happy and feel great yourself
11:21:25 <monod> I'll look it up in the dictionary
11:21:30 <MK_FG> And screw the others
11:22:20 <monod> "Phh, people who really know and like you would care about and like *by far* most whether you're happy and feel great yourself" sorry, again I find this a bit difficult to understand, just for english
11:22:47 <monod> people who really know and like you | would care about and like BY FAR most | whether you're happy and feel great
11:23:00 <monod> right?
11:23:10 <monod> or:
11:23:24 <monod> people who really know and like you \ would care about and like BY FAR \ most whether you're happy and feel great
11:23:55 <MK_FG> I wanted to address the "with people who really know me" from your sentence above
11:24:24 <MK_FG> If they really do, they don't care about something you don't like
11:24:39 <MK_FG> If they DO, then they don't know you at all ;)
11:24:58 <MK_FG> "don't care about something you don't like" in a sense "don't expect that from you"
11:24:59 <monod> it's again me not understanding the english, very sortry
11:25:00 <monod> sorry*
11:25:14 <monod> oh ok
11:25:31 <MK_FG> Stop apologizing, as if it's important that you get every word ;)
11:25:37 <monod> well, I know a lot of people like that, who does not expect from me
11:26:19 <monod> that's really what I'm trying to do, getting every word and/or assuring you that I do (oops?)
11:27:08 <monod> at times I cannot get rid of apologizes :(
11:27:19 <monod> this time I'll try to, though
11:27:54 <monod> anyway, I met people who was that fine, that is they did not expect anything from me
11:28:08 <monod> yet I left them...
11:28:25 <MK_FG> So, you don't care about them as well, fine!
11:29:03 <monod> I felt a bit injust with them though, and I missed them a little bit, to be honest
11:29:47 <monod> maybe I would only like to find someone who really likes to stay with me, which sounds like a girlfriend to my eyes
11:30:46 <MK_FG> Dunno, why'd you even care about what you "maybe would only like"
11:30:47 <monod> "raelly likes to stay with me" ---> who prefers staying with me than with the others
11:31:02 <monod> but again
11:31:12 <monod> I refused many people who seemed to look for that
11:31:16 <MK_FG> Stop making such a big deal out of your own perceptions of random imaginary things ("other people" included) ;)
11:31:28 <monod> lol
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11:33:05 <monod> "down to earth" right?
11:33:14 <Cryto747> Hi all
11:33:14 <MK_FG> I probably have my own share of crap I hold as "important", but dunno, nothing of it seem to make me feel bad atm
11:33:34 <monod> hi Cryto747, webchat isn't it? :P
11:33:49 <monod> MK_FG, alright
11:33:51 <Cryto747> I anonymous :P
11:34:03 <monod> no, you're from italy!
11:34:16 <Cryto747> Yes
11:34:16 <monod> that's a well-known percentage of human population
11:34:31 <Cryto747> I fight for freedom :D
11:34:36 <monod> so we only have to focus on italy to look for you
11:34:37 <monod> just kidding
11:34:48 <monod> oh yeah, I see you're kidding too
11:34:54 <monod> read the topic
11:35:27 <Cryto747> Where are you from?
11:35:30 <Cryto747> :D
11:36:27 <monod> italy too, such a coincidence
11:36:49 <Cryto747> Vogliamo parlare in italiano
11:36:50 <Cryto747> ?
11:37:01 <monod> go to #monod if you want
11:37:09 <monod> or PM me
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12:13:06 <monod> veeery tasty....
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19:40:27 <IR601> anyone know of a firefox addon which will allow me to color code tabs?
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19:59:34 <joepie91> IR601:
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20:20:20 <MK_FG> wow -
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21:15:59 <joepie91> MK_FG, others
21:16:10 <joepie91>
21:16:14 <joepie91> Western Union, a 162-year-old firm that made its name by offering telegraphs, is considering embracing the digital age by accepting Bitcoin and other types of digital payment methods, according to a report.
21:27:46 <MK_FG> That'd probably make them one of the largest bitcoin-to-$$$ exchanges, right?
21:28:00 <joepie91> MK_FG: pretty much, yes
21:28:14 <MK_FG> Would be damn great, indeed
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22:01:14 <AppleJack> joepie91: hi
22:01:23 <joepie91> ohai AppleJack
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22:50:48 <Cryto630> salve
22:50:52 <Cryto630> c'è qualcuno'
22:50:53 <Cryto630> ?
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23:59:39 <AnonForecast> learned helplessness > cognitive dissonance joepie91