Cryto! 21 March 2013
00:03:41 <joepie91> hai
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01:29:46 <flyingpenis> okay, bout fucking time I got axx to my fast server e.e
01:45:03 <joepie91> http://vimeo.com/10784136
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12:17:56 <ryan_> Anyone else following this PyCon bullshit?
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14:23:52 <joepie91> ryan_: I did pick up on it, yes
14:25:12 <ryan_> Yeah
14:25:17 <ryan_> It's somewhat hilarious
14:25:23 <ryan_> especially since sendgrid magically disappeared from internet
14:40:11 <joepie91> that's a little annoying actuall
14:40:14 <joepie91> actually *
14:40:15 <joepie91> :/
14:42:44 <joepie91> also, ryan_
14:42:48 <joepie91> have you seen the domain of her personal site?
14:43:00 <joepie91> like, the domain name she uses
14:49:55 <ryan_> Yeah
14:50:03 <ryan_> butyoureagirl.com
14:50:16 <ryan_> also direct.butyoureagirl.com
15:01:28 <joepie91> jesus christ this is by far the most overzealous display of victim mentality that I have seen in a *long* time
15:01:44 <joepie91> OH MY GOD THEY MADE A SEX JOKE, THEY MUST BE SEXIST AND DISCRIMINATING WOMEN EVEN THOUGHT THEY WEREN'T EVEN TALKING TO ME
15:01:52 <joepie91> because of course sex is solely reserved for women
15:01:54 <joepie91> ... or something
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15:21:28 <joepie91> http://joepie91.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/about-the-actions-of-adria-richards-at-pycon/
15:21:40 <joepie91> not as well written as normally, but just had to get it off my chest
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15:45:07 <flyingpenis> joepie91:) haha I haven't read your thing yet but I presume it's about how I felt about it
15:45:19 <flyingpenis> seems like this time around there isn't "another side" to the story
15:45:22 <flyingpenis> seems mostly to just be bullshit
15:45:48 <flyingpenis> I'm still fucking raged that violet had her talk canceled
15:46:41 <joepie91> flyingpenis: it's basically overdramatization and victim mentality
15:47:35 * flyingpenis thinks lady-3jane got +d'd again
15:47:54 <joepie91> flyingpenis: ding
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15:48:27 <flyingpenis> wobble
15:48:43 <flyingpenis> yeah, she's being +d
15:49:01 <flyingpenis> wobble
15:49:08 <flyingpenis> kay
15:49:09 <flyingpenis> fuckin
15:49:19 <flyingpenis> yeah yeah joepie91 I can see you, she can't
15:50:29 <lady-3jane> should be able to now e.e
15:51:42 <flyingpenis> and yeah, I know I just read your thing... I made a comment on it yesterday haha
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16:04:39 <ryan_> joepie91:
16:04:40 <ryan_> https://twitter.com/SendGrid/status/314768776577036288
16:12:52 <flyingpenis> yeah
16:12:58 <flyingpenis> I was just going to paste that hahaha
16:13:13 <flyingpenis> "BOOOOOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE"
16:14:57 <joepie91> ryan_: ouch, I can see this becoming a public relations trainwreck
16:15:18 <joepie91> as far as it isn't one already
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16:17:14 <ryan_> joepie91: firing her was the best move for them
16:17:59 <joepie91> ryan_: I agree
16:18:16 <joepie91> I'm a bit on the fence about the moral aspect, but strategically speaking it was a smart move
16:18:29 <ryan_> She did the exact opposite of what was her job
16:18:39 <ryan_> Her job was to make the company look good in the eyes of potential clients
16:18:47 <ryan_> She made the company look bad in the eyes of everyone
16:19:25 <joepie91> mm.. actually
16:19:35 <joepie91> she *did* do the opposite of what was her job (as far as I understand her job description)
16:19:41 <joepie91> but it wasn't making the company look good
16:19:54 <joepie91> supposedly, she was responsible for equal treatment and attraction of developers regardless of gender
16:20:21 <joepie91> she did the exact opposite of that by overdramatization, victim mentality, and basically reverse discrimination
16:20:41 <joepie91> (afaik her job wasn't a PR job, but more a HR job)
16:24:12 <ryan_> Generally evangelists are doing a pr job
16:24:15 <ryan_> it kind of works both ways
16:24:25 <ryan_> for people you might want to employ and for people to do business with
16:26:26 <joepie91> mm.. I suppose
16:27:06 <ryan_> Anyways, firing a feminist to represent them in this industry was kind of a risky move
16:28:07 <ryan_> Of course it'd be nice to think it isn't, but that's the reality.
16:37:36 <flyingpenis> As I understood her job (incorrectly?) It was something like the community interface to the company... so her job is basically to be cool and make the company look good in $programming_community
16:38:38 <flyingpenis> which she failed to do, and in doing so drug the companies name through the thickest nastiest mud the programming community has
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16:38:55 <flyingpenis> That's instafire if I was her boss
16:38:56 <joepie91> pretty much
16:38:59 <joepie91> lol
16:39:02 <joepie91> instafire
16:39:07 <joepie91> sounds like a fancy web 2.0 service
16:39:13 <flyingpenis> It's the one fucking thing you DON'T DO in that position
16:39:13 <joepie91> er
16:39:14 <flyingpenis> and yes
16:39:14 <joepie91> web 3.0
16:39:19 <joepie91> web 2.0 is so... 2.0!
16:39:20 <flyingpenis> with websockets!
16:39:23 <joepie91> haha
16:39:33 <flyingpenis> spdy websockets
16:39:38 <flyingpenis> bitches don't even know
16:39:43 <flyingpenis> :3
16:39:44 <joepie91> flyingpenis: bitches? SEXISM
16:40:02 <flyingpenis> joepie91:) bitch, I'm a flying penis, you can pipe the fuck down ;D
16:41:53 <flyingpenis> :O
16:42:04 <flyingpenis> they're reclassifying CIA drone strikes as military actions
16:42:11 <flyingpenis> :O
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16:42:13 <flyingpenis> :OOOOO
16:42:26 <flyingpenis> Maybe we'll stop throwing missiles at pakistan!
16:43:14 <joepie91> flyingpenis: I really do wonder
16:43:19 <joepie91> if you were to meet Adria
16:43:24 <joepie91> and you told her your nickname
16:43:25 <joepie91> what would happen
16:43:47 <flyingpenis> Well she can't fire me, and I have this gut feeling I'm better at P/R spin than her
16:44:22 <flyingpenis> But eh it's cool I'll just write a huge thing and post in on HN... I have a subdomain for that already anyway
16:44:23 <flyingpenis> lelz
16:45:30 <ryan_> Well I doubt she'll be getting anyone fired anymore
16:49:13 <flyingpenis> :3
17:10:30 <flyingpenis> hmm
17:10:42 <flyingpenis> and now we're seeing the wave of threats of violence
17:10:48 <flyingpenis> now that's never appropriate :/
17:12:59 <flyingpenis> also holy fuck was her story played up
17:13:10 <flyingpenis> I can't even make it through her post, it's so... hyperbolized
17:13:14 <flyingpenis> not a word, but I'm using it
17:13:15 <flyingpenis> lol
17:27:37 <ryan_> what amuses me the most here is the pathetic attempt by anons of claiming the ddos
17:30:50 <lady-3jane> lol
17:30:56 <lady-3jane> I doubt it was even "Anonymous"
17:31:02 <lady-3jane> probably just some asshat lol
17:31:12 <ryan_> it was me lol
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17:43:12 <lady-3jane> lel
17:43:15 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) http://randyluecke.tumblr.com/post/45915323813/im-done-with-the-web
17:43:32 <lady-3jane> fuck the HN crows shitting on his argument, it resonates with me
17:43:44 <lady-3jane> crowd? I like crows better
17:52:48 <lady-3jane> agh what the fuck
17:52:53 <lady-3jane> HOW DO SITES GO DOWN FROM HN
17:52:57 <lady-3jane> IT'S A STATIC PAGE
17:53:00 <lady-3jane> HOW DO YOU DO THAT
17:53:46 <lady-3jane> My site didn't even SLOW when it hit HN, and I was on a fucking 3mbit uplink
18:02:36 <joepie91> lady-3jane: I do see his point, but I don't think me and the Objective-J syntax are going to be friends
18:02:39 <joepie91> also, rough guess: Apache
18:03:18 <lady-3jane> that wasn't mentioned in the article and so I'm not finding it relevant
18:03:55 <lady-3jane> It seems most irrelevant to his point, ha
18:04:00 <lady-3jane> mostly *
18:06:24 <lady-3jane> agh, I keep finding parts of my site that aren't html5 proper
18:06:28 * lady-3jane grumbles and fixes
18:08:35 <joepie91> http://www.forsalebyowner.ca/listing/house-for-sale-crowsnest-pass-AB/124988
18:08:37 <joepie91> guy selling house for Bitcoins
18:09:13 <joepie91> basically "cheaper in Bitcoins"
18:11:21 <lady-3jane> haha
18:11:39 <lady-3jane> first thing that happens: loads the header. then: waiting to connect to site wtf lol
18:12:05 <ryan_> buying things with LR tends to be cheaper than PP
18:12:07 <ryan_> same thing here
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18:12:50 <ryan_> wont buy that tho
18:12:52 <ryan_> lacks a hot tub
18:12:55 <lady-3jane> :P
18:12:59 <ryan_> and a jacuzzi
18:13:04 <ryan_> and a fireplace
18:13:07 <ryan_> most importantly a fireplace
18:13:19 <ryan_> wait wtf
18:13:22 <lady-3jane> I'll second the fireplace, I don't give a fuck about the others though
18:13:22 <ryan_> is that rent price real?
18:13:24 <ryan_> thats like
18:13:28 <ryan_> a fraction of what that'd cost here
18:13:34 <lady-3jane> what's the rent price
18:13:40 <ryan_> $1,2k
18:13:58 <lady-3jane> 2b1b
18:14:00 <lady-3jane> forrrr
18:14:03 * lady-3jane thinks
18:14:16 <lady-3jane> that's a hair cheaper than here
18:14:28 <lady-3jane> but we have a really good deal
18:14:35 <lady-3jane> (my house specifically)
18:14:48 <ryan_> Maybe it's just scandinavia then
18:14:48 <lady-3jane> we pay 1k for 3br 1 bath
18:14:55 <lady-3jane> which is way below market here
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18:15:03 <lady-3jane> most rooms alone are 600-800
18:15:20 <lady-3jane> we pay 500 per, and because we had roommate issues he said the third room doesn't need to be rented
18:15:46 <lady-3jane> he just owns the house though, not like a "landlord" sorta person
18:15:57 <ryan_> Here it's a decent 1 room apt for €800
18:16:09 <lady-3jane> he makes 6 figures, so our rent is nothing to him
18:16:12 <joepie91> ryan_: it's Canada, so not strange that it's cheaper than in Finland
18:16:15 <lady-3jane> rounding error
18:16:21 <ryan_> joepie91: yea
18:16:33 <joepie91> generally Canada and US have lower avg rent than most European countries I'd say
18:16:39 <joepie91> er, most north/west european countries
18:17:10 <lady-3jane> yeah
18:17:27 <lady-3jane> rent here is way higher than when I lived in the midwest
18:17:44 <lady-3jane> we paid like 350/mo for a 2 bedroom 1.5 bath victorian house
18:17:49 <ryan_> wat
18:17:58 <lady-3jane> yeah, california was a huge step down lol
18:18:07 <ryan_> thats literally
18:18:10 <lady-3jane> much better place to live, I like it here
18:18:11 <ryan_> free
18:18:12 <lady-3jane> but uh
18:18:14 <lady-3jane> yes
18:18:17 <lady-3jane> I know
18:18:18 <lady-3jane> lol
18:18:26 <ryan_> you do 1 day of consulting per month
18:18:28 <ryan_> and can afford that
18:18:31 <lady-3jane> It was nice
18:18:35 <ryan_> wait
18:18:38 <ryan_> in us
18:18:41 <ryan_> you can afford way more
18:18:43 <lady-3jane> except it was ohio, and fuck ohio
18:19:04 <lady-3jane> yeah we still struggled with money
18:19:13 <lady-3jane> my mom was in college and shit
18:19:35 <lady-3jane> mostly I just hated the people in ohio
18:19:41 <lady-3jane> it was beautiful and cheaper than hell
18:20:53 <lady-3jane> fuck yeah
18:21:01 <lady-3jane> ff nightly just shipped odinmonkey
18:21:08 <lady-3jane> bout mother fucking time
18:27:40 <lady-3jane> mmm, maybe this means firefox will get faster once this ships
18:27:45 <lady-3jane> like, the app not the rendering
18:27:48 <lady-3jane> cause the entire gui is in js
18:28:12 <lady-3jane> and so if they rewrite the interface in asm.js compatible stuff... could be a world of difference
18:28:13 <lady-3jane> :>
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19:40:41 <monod> hello
19:41:03 <zest> hi
19:44:31 <joepie91> hai
19:52:23 <mama> :)
20:04:13 <lady-3jane> allo :>
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21:01:26 <monod> ""Computers make it easier to do a lot of things, but most of the things they make it easier to do don't need to be done." Mathematics can be described as the science of patterns, relationsships, generalized descriptions and recognizable structure in space, numbers, and other abstracted entities."
21:01:36 <monod> *how* cool is that? ^
21:01:41 <monod> :D
21:05:00 <zest> "don't need to be done" can you give an example or I miss smthng?
21:05:12 <zest> ))
21:05:32 <lady-3jane> I think the implication is "things that don't need to be done by hand"
21:05:42 <lady-3jane> or "things that can be automated"
21:06:07 <zest> I like automation ^_^
21:06:35 <lady-3jane> :>
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22:29:44 <monod> whaaat???
22:29:45 <monod> :D
22:29:58 <monod> hey joepie, did you read that little quote on maths?
22:31:58 <monod> what it meansis : I may now beginning building a maths-prone approach to my studying
22:32:15 <monod> and now I have to go
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22:37:04 <joepie91> .license mit
22:37:05 <botpie91> MIT License: Very liberal. Basically, you can do whatever you want as long as you include the original copyright. http://www.tldrlegal.com/license/mit-license
22:43:01 <zest> whatever I want - nice
22:46:55 <DrWhat> :/
22:47:02 <DrWhat> .license mit
22:47:04 <botpie91> MIT License: Very liberal. Basically, you can do whatever you want as long as you include the original copyright. http://www.tldrlegal.com/license/mit-license
22:47:12 <DrWhat> :/
22:47:20 <DrWhat> joepie91 Wrtf oi osnfdi fd
22:48:11 <joepie91> ?
22:48:15 <joepie91> zest:
22:48:16 <joepie91> .license wtfpl
22:48:18 <botpie91> Do WTF You Want To Public License v2 (WTFPL-2.0): The WTFPL is almost a public domain grant. It is super-permissive. Basically, do whatever you want. http://www.tldrlegal.com/license/do-wtf-you-want-to-public-license-v2-(wtfpl-2.0)
22:52:09 <zest> )))
22:52:16 <zest> the best one ...
22:52:33 <zxcvbnm> .license wtfpl
22:52:35 <botpie91> Do WTF You Want To Public License v2 (WTFPL-2.0): The WTFPL is almost a public domain grant. It is super-permissive. Basically, do whatever you want. http://www.tldrlegal.com/license/do-wtf-you-want-to-public-license-v2-(wtfpl-2.0)
22:52:38 <zxcvbnm> :(
22:52:41 <zxcvbnm> wtf poland!
22:53:07 <zest> super-permissive )
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22:59:28 <joepie91> http://joepie91.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/licensing-for-beginners/
22:59:29 <joepie91> there we go1
22:59:31 <joepie91> !*
23:00:18 <zest> wow, cool
23:00:38 <zest> nice job joe
23:06:14 <zest> what means "you must give credit to the authors" ?
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23:07:26 <joepie91> also https://twitter.com/joepie91/status/314873811604471808
23:07:33 <joepie91> zest: see the introduction
23:07:38 <joepie91> 'authors' means whoever made it
23:07:43 <joepie91> that can be you, but also other contributors
23:08:16 <flyingpenis> are there recommendations in there or just an overview?
23:10:04 <joepie91> it's 1. an introduction as to why you should license stuff 2. a list of human-readable descriptions of common/notable licenses, categorized by "what do you want to allow", and 3. a mention of my favourite license
23:10:04 <joepie91> :)
23:10:50 <zest> have fun )
23:15:26 <flyingpenis> :>
23:15:33 * flyingpenis still loves bsd-3
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23:18:07 * flyingpenis debates the merits of bsd-2 vs bsd-3
23:22:15 * flyingpenis likes bsd-3 better
23:27:03 <joepie91> also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5419935
23:27:11 <joepie91> and http://www.reddit.com/r/opensource/comments/1aripd/licensing_for_beginners_a_basic_guide_to/
23:30:40 <joepie91> lol
23:30:41 <joepie91> http://www.dailydot.com/news/youranonnews-twitter-news-website/
23:30:52 <joepie91> they seem to have subtly dropped a link to my blog post about YAN
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23:42:21 <DrWhat> .license wtfpl
23:42:23 <botpie91> Do WTF You Want To Public License v2 (WTFPL-2.0): The WTFPL is almost a public domain grant. It is super-permissive. Basically, do whatever you want. http://www.tldrlegal.com/license/do-wtf-you-want-to-public-license-v2-(wtfpl-2.0)
23:42:25 <DrWhat> !license wtfpl
23:42:37 <DrWhat> joepie91 STOP TALKING TO YOUR SELF
23:46:11 <flyingpenis> .license bsd-3
23:46:13 <botpie91> BSD 3-Clause License (Revised): The BSD 3-clause license allows you almost unlimited freedom with the software so long as you include the BSD copyright notice in it (found below). Many other licenses are influenced by this one.“Use trademarks” in this case means you cannot use the names of the original company or its members to endorse derived products. http://www.tldrlegal.com/license/bsd-3-clause-license-(revised)
23:47:05 <flyingpenis> mmm