Cryto! 5 March 2013

00:10:52 <ebola> yes mama
00:10:59 <ebola> I sorry I not seeing you
00:11:25 <mama> hello ebola
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00:11:33 <mama> pm please
00:11:37 <ebola> ok
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01:59:36 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) how was yo' day?
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02:23:51 <Divinite> wh1t3r4bb1t
02:28:53 <flyingpenis> oh yes! the giant fuzzy dicks of goodness and love have descended! Libreoffice 4 is available in a PPA! :D
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02:35:31 <Divinite> flyingpenis: PPA?
02:41:06 <Divinite> This is atrotious
02:41:11 <Divinite> No FTP STILL
02:41:15 <Divinite> For Nuzey
02:42:19 <flyingpenis> yes, ubuntu ppa
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03:16:31 <joepie91> <zest>how old cryto, few months, year, more ... ?
03:16:43 <joepie91> about two years
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03:18:39 <Divinite> OMG
03:18:44 <Divinite> These netsplits are getting worse
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03:40:24 <joepie91> Divinite: yes, I am aware
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04:42:26 <Divinite> It would be
04:42:31 <Divinite> so easy
04:42:38 <Divinite> to take these nicks
04:54:33 <MK_FG> twitchyliquid64, Doesn't seem to be different from same-arch virtualization, where vm kernel runs as such "cpu" with it's instructions being ran on hardware cpu directly
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06:09:29 <watup>
06:17:45 <joepie91> you're in the wrong channel, watup
06:17:59 <watup> idk
06:18:15 <watup> joepie91: u the real joepie?
06:18:50 <watup> guy who runs anonnews?
06:28:59 <joepie91> yes
06:29:03 <joepie91> @ watup
06:29:45 <watup> so why arent u op?
06:32:26 <joepie91> because I'm not currently identified with nickserv
06:32:29 <joepie91> services are sort of down
06:33:02 <joepie91> just opered up, you can /whois me
06:34:38 <watup> nice to meet u joepie big fan
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06:43:44 <lady-3jane> lol
06:44:16 <lady-3jane> NP: [P.O.S - Fuck Your Stuff] [We Don't Even Live Here] [905kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
06:44:18 <lady-3jane> <3<3,3
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08:36:00 <twitchyliquid64> MK_FG: same-arch visualization?
08:36:06 <twitchyliquid64> google is not finding much about that
08:36:37 <Divinite> twitchyliquid64: I think he means seme-os
08:36:42 <Divinite> *same
08:39:18 <MK_FG> No, I just mean running amd64 kvm on amd64, for example
08:39:33 <MK_FG> It won't emulate cpu in code at all
08:40:09 <MK_FG> It'll just set some isolation hooks via virtualization instructions and run the vm kernel on bare hw, I think
08:40:44 <MK_FG> So you can think of that kernel as "Virtual CPU"
08:41:03 <MK_FG> (running straight on top of physical one)
08:41:51 <MK_FG> In fact, I think qemu and kvm split apart just on that basis
08:42:09 <MK_FG> qemu has huge codebase that emulates physical cpu in code
08:42:28 <MK_FG> While kvm just allows running kernel as a pid in the current os
08:43:29 <MK_FG> (and there's a lite lkvm thing btw, which goes away with all the qemu emulation, was even proposed to be merged to tools/ in kernel repo)
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08:46:38 <twitchyliquid64> hmmm
08:46:44 <twitchyliquid64> I have to go the emulation path
08:46:52 <twitchyliquid64> because I want it to run on all hardware
08:46:56 <twitchyliquid64> not just specific archs
08:46:59 <twitchyliquid64> there is a reason
08:47:13 <twitchyliquid64> also, do you know of a tiny linux distro?
08:47:22 <twitchyliquid64> CLI only, and prefs only a few mg's?
08:47:27 * twitchyliquid64 pokes MK_FG
08:48:15 <MK_FG> Well, if you want to run on all hw, again, just running linux seem to give you a reasonable range ;)
08:48:32 <MK_FG> "prefs only a few mg's"?
08:48:44 <MK_FG> Not sure what "mg" is there
08:49:27 <MK_FG> But dunno, I think gentoo or arch can be lite enough, though not what one might call "tiny"
08:49:31 <twitchyliquid64> megabyte
08:49:44 <MK_FG> Oh, then dracut ;)
08:49:52 <MK_FG> Or busybox
08:50:01 <MK_FG> There's all the the distro you need ;)
08:50:47 <MK_FG> dracut has a bit different goal, but I found it to be a good framework to assemble simple shell-based distro on
08:51:06 <ilikeapricot> just curious wats the topic supposed to be here?
08:51:12 <twitchyliquid64> Busybox isnt a distro
08:51:16 <MK_FG> But in general, I'd say you don't need a distro for a "few mg's"
08:51:22 <ilikeapricot> the /topic seems to be vague
08:51:45 <MK_FG> It isn't, yeah, but it's all you can cram into such space
08:51:46 <twitchyliquid64> ilikeapricot: this channel is meant for general discussion for coders who wish to be a part of CrytoCC
08:52:09 <ilikeapricot> and cryptoCC is? (sry for the nob questions)
08:52:10 <MK_FG> Just do ln -s /bin/ash /sbin/init and there ya go with bb ;)
08:52:25 <ilikeapricot> *noob
08:52:33 <MK_FG> And it has a nice package manager with "make menuconfig" ;)
08:52:34 <twitchyliquid64> ilikeapricot: CrytoCC
08:52:40 <twitchyliquid64> Cryto Coding Collective
08:52:48 <MK_FG> So really... why isn't it a distro? ;)
08:52:54 <ilikeapricot> ok
08:53:27 <twitchyliquid64> MK_FG: whats /bin/ash?
08:53:38 <twitchyliquid64> Im a beginner with the barebones of linux
08:53:40 <twitchyliquid64> trying to get better
08:53:41 <MK_FG> Shell that comes with busybox (bb)
08:53:44 <twitchyliquid64> but still beginner :/
08:53:48 <twitchyliquid64> what? no bash?
08:53:58 <MK_FG> Well, it's quite similar
08:54:05 <MK_FG> Bash is like 2-4 megs all by itself
08:54:17 <MK_FG> It's just huge for embedded space
08:54:33 <MK_FG> (hence the ash for bb and dash for debian init and dracut)
08:54:58 <MK_FG> Get bb sources and do "make menuconfig" there
08:55:24 <MK_FG> I'm sure you'll find soooo much more than you'd expect (unless you've done that before)
08:55:37 <MK_FG> (like, httpd and various net daemons there)
08:58:58 <twitchyliquid64> MK_FG: you seem to know an awful lot about everything linux
08:59:02 <twitchyliquid64> where did you lean?
08:59:04 <twitchyliquid64> *learn
08:59:13 <twitchyliquid64> I can use linux, but I cant do linux proper
08:59:17 <twitchyliquid64> I want to learn
09:00:06 <MK_FG> It's a hard question, it's not like I took some course and *bam* - enlightened
09:00:21 <MK_FG> Just find it interesting, so picked some stuff here and there
09:00:40 <MK_FG> Can't think of a better short summary
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09:03:25 <twitchyliquid64> MK_FG: do you understand inodes and the internals of the file system?
09:03:42 <MK_FG> Yeah, of course
09:03:54 <MK_FG> LWN is actually a great source there
09:04:17 <MK_FG> For some reason, editors there like to pick on fs'es a lot
09:04:31 <MK_FG> So every new fs architecture gets reviewed there ad nauseum ;)
09:04:33 <twitchyliquid64> MK_FG: one thing I dont understand
09:04:33 <Divinite> I had
09:04:35 <twitchyliquid64> two actually
09:04:47 <twitchyliquid64> firstly, are inodes stored on disk? or are they a memory concept?
09:04:48 <Divinite> MK_FG: I had /bin/msh
09:05:09 <MK_FG> twitchyliquid64, There is ambiguity with regards to that
09:05:20 <MK_FG> "inode" might refer to two separate things
09:05:51 <MK_FG> One is memory structure in linux headers, stable and well-documented, it's a VFS concept
09:06:13 <MK_FG> And the other is "inode" on a particular fs, which holds fs-specific bits of metadata
09:06:27 <MK_FG> So direct answer is "both" ;)
09:06:41 <twitchyliquid64> right
09:06:45 <MK_FG> Divinite, I use /bin/zsh everywhere I can ;)
09:06:46 <twitchyliquid64> so if I do ls -i
09:06:54 <twitchyliquid64> is that the FS or the LFS inode?
09:07:03 <twitchyliquid64> *VFS
09:07:58 <MK_FG> That number is filled into memory inode struct by fs implementation, I think
09:08:08 <MK_FG> For ext* it'll be inode number on-disk
09:08:18 <MK_FG> For some inodeless fs, it can be whatever
09:08:27 <MK_FG> (maybe there won't be anything at all)
09:08:49 <twitchyliquid64> im starting to get confused
09:08:56 <twitchyliquid64> where can I read up on the internals of the VFS?
09:09:24 <MK_FG> I'd google it, you'll probably find plenty of good intro articles on lwn and such
09:09:41 <MK_FG> But otherwise, there're probably much more hardcore docs in the Documentation/
09:09:46 <twitchyliquid64> lwn?
09:09:47 <MK_FG> (in the kernel source tree)
09:09:55 <MK_FG>
09:09:58 <twitchyliquid64> right
09:10:00 <twitchyliquid64> thanks
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09:20:09 <twitchyliquid64> so internally, linux has a whole lot of VFS nodes which are linked together, wwith fields that describe what the node represents
09:22:17 <twitchyliquid64> and witha file that node references the inode?
09:22:56 * twitchyliquid64 pokes MK_FG
09:24:00 <MK_FG> Yes, internally I think it's "vfs > namespace > mount > vfs inode, dentry"
09:24:13 <twitchyliquid64> namespace?
09:24:26 <MK_FG> But can't parse "witha file that node references the inode"
09:24:36 <MK_FG> Mount namespaces
09:24:43 <MK_FG> Used in e.g. openvz and similar stuff
09:24:47 <twitchyliquid64> and is dentry a caching concept? or is it the same as a directory?
09:24:58 <twitchyliquid64> same as mount points?
09:25:04 <MK_FG> So that "/" for one user is not the same for the other, and both can mount stuff there
09:25:27 <MK_FG> It's a purely caching concept, I think, yeah
09:25:37 <MK_FG> FS code implements lookups there
09:26:28 <MK_FG> "same as mount points?" - what, dentry? Not really, I guess
09:26:53 <twitchyliquid64> no, are mount points == mount namespaces
09:26:56 <twitchyliquid64> I guess not
09:26:58 <MK_FG> Mount points are just sub-namespaces to tell kernel which callbacks to use for which paths in vfs
09:27:10 <Divinite> Anyone know
09:27:14 <MK_FG> No, namespaces are groups of these, yeah
09:28:13 <Divinite> How I can set up a print server that has a web interface for uploading documents?
09:28:33 <MK_FG> Don't cups allow that?
09:29:06 <MK_FG> Hm, though I guess not, certainly not for all formats
09:29:26 <MK_FG> (but it had webui for lots of stuff iirc, so maybe there's some plugin)
09:32:31 <Divinite> Perhaps
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09:43:09 <twitchyliquid64> look whos back
09:50:45 <Divinite> Crazy person?
09:51:13 <twitchyliquid64> no, joes back
09:51:58 <Divinite> Ah
09:52:26 <Divinite> Crazy person is back
09:52:38 <twitchyliquid64> no, joes back
09:57:43 <Divinite> Crazy person
09:57:45 <Divinite> Yes
09:57:53 <twitchyliquid64> no, joes back
09:58:23 <Divinite> yeah
09:58:28 <Divinite> Crazy perso
09:58:29 <Divinite> n
09:58:35 <twitchyliquid64> no, joes back
09:59:43 <Divinite> Crazy person
09:59:48 <Divinite> Yes
09:59:55 <twitchyliquid64>   no, joes back
10:00:05 <Divinite> Crazy person. Yes
10:00:10 <twitchyliquid64>    no, joes back
10:00:13 <Divinite> Crazy person. Yes
10:00:17 <twitchyliquid64>     no, joes back
10:00:18 <Divinite> Crazy person. Yes
10:00:20 <twitchyliquid64>      no, joes back
10:00:34 <Divinite> Crazy person. Yes
10:00:37 <twitchyliquid64>       no, joes back
10:00:39 <Divinite> Crazy person. Yes
10:00:40 <twitchyliquid64>        no, joes back
10:00:42 <Divinite> Crazy person. Yes
10:00:43 <twitchyliquid64>         no, joes back
10:00:45 <Divinite> Crazy person. Yes
10:00:46 <twitchyliquid64>          no, joes back
10:00:49 <Divinite> Crazy person. Yes
10:00:50 <twitchyliquid64>           no, joes back
10:00:51 <Divinite> Crazy person. Yes
10:00:55 <twitchyliquid64>             no, joes back
10:00:57 <Divinite> Crazy person. Yes
10:00:59 <twitchyliquid64>              no, joes back
10:01:01 <Divinite> Crazy person. Yes
10:01:02 <twitchyliquid64>               no, joes back
10:01:03 <Divinite> Crazy person. Yes
10:01:04 <twitchyliquid64>                no, joes back
10:01:05 <Divinite> Crazy person. Yes
10:01:06 <twitchyliquid64>                 no, joes back
10:01:07 <Divinite> Crazy person. Yes
10:01:08 <twitchyliquid64>                  no, joes back
10:01:09 <Divinite> Crazy person. Yes
10:01:11 <twitchyliquid64>                   no, joes back
10:01:12 <Divinite> Crazy person. Yes
10:01:14 <Divinite> Crazy person. Yes
10:01:22 <twitchyliquid64>                    no, joes back
10:01:23 <Divinite> Crazy person. Yes
10:01:25 <twitchyliquid64>                    no, joes back
10:01:26 <Divinite> Crazy person. Yes
10:01:28 <twitchyliquid64>                      no, joes back
10:01:30 <Divinite> Crazy person. Yes
10:01:35 <twitchyliquid64>                        no, joes back
10:01:37 <Divinite> Crazy person. Yes
10:01:38 <twitchyliquid64>                        no, joes back
10:01:40 <Divinite> Crazy person. Yes
10:01:45 <twitchyliquid64>                        no, joes back
10:01:46 <Divinite> Crazy person. Yes
10:01:52 <twitchyliquid64>                        no, joes back
10:01:54 <Divinite> Crazy person. Yes
10:01:55 <twitchyliquid64>                        no, joes back
10:01:59 <Divinite> Crazy person. Yes
10:02:09 <twitchyliquid64> ...............................
10:02:09 <twitchyliquid64> no
10:02:15 <Divinite> Crazy person. Yes
10:02:19 <twitchyliquid64> no
10:02:44 <Divinite> Crazy person. Yes
10:02:49 <twitchyliquid64> no
10:02:57 <Divinite> Crazy person. Yes
10:03:05 <twitchyliquid64>                                          //
10:03:09 <twitchyliquid64> ==============================================
10:03:13 <twitchyliquid64> SAILING BOAT
10:03:24 <Divinite> Failure sailing boat
10:03:46 <twitchyliquid64> Only to those who lack the creativity to see
10:04:00 <Divinite> It would sink
10:04:23 <twitchyliquid64> only in a sea of your capitalist thoughts
10:04:58 <Divinite> Better than your sludgy river of communist ideas
10:05:57 <twitchyliquid64> At least my river gives life to the fish of creativity
10:06:16 <joepie91> sigh
10:06:20 <joepie91> I come back to spam
10:06:21 <joepie91> lol
10:06:31 <twitchyliquid64> shuush joepie91m im having fun
10:06:37 <twitchyliquid64> *Im
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10:07:01 <joepie91> I'm*
10:07:31 <twitchyliquid64> [I\'m]*
10:07:31 <Divinite> Your river eventually has to get to the sea
10:07:35 <wh1t3r4bb1t> You're what?
10:07:53 <Divinite> wh1t3r4bb1t
10:07:58 <Divinite> FTP NO WORK
10:09:19 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I know. I broke it.
10:10:54 <Divinite> Y U BREAK IT
10:13:05 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Because I need to setup better ftp authentication that matches passwords with your nuzey login.
10:14:38 <Divinite> Aha
10:14:40 <Divinite> An eta?
10:17:21 <twitchyliquid64> *ETA
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10:22:58 <wh1t3r4bb1t> 364 Days 23 hours and 54 min.
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10:36:40 <Divinite> Weeeww
10:36:44 <Divinite> Great ETA
10:47:05 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I know I have tooooo many projects.
10:48:31 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Current;y a lack of funding which directly effects my motivation towards that project. So, I work on the projects with funding. My belly likes food.
10:48:42 <wh1t3r4bb1t> currently*
10:54:44 <Divinite> I bet
10:54:52 <Divinite> a litle bit of PA would help
11:08:49 <wh1t3r4bb1t> PA = personal assistant?
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15:50:52 <DrWhat> Great news
15:51:07 <DrWhat> I found a kinda vbulltin plugin frame work for using the login
15:51:36 <DrWhat> I just need the Have it not display the accual page untill the user has loged in
15:51:46 <DrWhat> atm
15:51:52 <DrWhat> it says you need to login or register
15:51:56 <DrWhat> and then shows the search
15:52:03 <DrWhat> I want to remove the search
15:52:53 <DrWhat> Found it
15:52:54 <DrWhat> if ($vbulletin->userinfo['userid']!=0) {
15:52:55 <DrWhat> :)
15:57:23 <DrWhat> Logs of hard work for that :D
15:57:36 <DrWhat> a whole week of surfing
15:57:39 <DrWhat> My legs are tired
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16:14:11 <zxcvbnm> oh herro
16:14:31 <lady-3jane> dicks!
16:14:58 <zxcvbnm> I've got a question early this morning
16:15:12 * lady-3jane just wants a bit of coffee
16:15:21 * zxcvbnm has had tons of coffee
16:16:30 * lady-3jane also wishes their laptop didn't have a kworker going nuts :(
16:16:44 * lady-3jane pees on linus
16:17:07 <zxcvbnm> Ok so, Web OWA (outlook web app), does anyone know of a solution for IP logging/alerting? sort of like gmail notifies you if you've logged in from IP addresses across the world
16:24:48 <DrWhat> I have a question
16:25:11 <DrWhat> If i do $var = if ($somthing == 1){
16:25:13 <DrWhat> and the rest
16:25:22 <DrWhat> will $var hold all that or just the one line
16:26:55 <zxcvbnm> Sounds like a function returning a value would be more appropriate
16:27:22 <lady-3jane> NP: [P.O.S - Fuck Your Stuff] [We Don't Even Live Here] [905kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
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16:49:15 <joepie91> ryan: well, that finnish proxy service isn't very fast, but I've received the monies
16:49:54 <ryan> oh cool
16:49:54 <joepie91> thanks for the tip, again :P
16:49:57 <ryan> its probably banks the most
16:50:02 <ryan> it takes a couple of days for me to my acct
16:50:07 <joepie91> well, it took them 2-3 days to respond to the deposit
16:50:20 <ryan> I usually get response and sms immediately
16:50:21 <joepie91> after already moving it to another address
16:50:24 <ryan> and then sales alert
16:50:31 <ryan> well
16:50:33 <ryan> it works though
16:50:34 <joepie91> took about a week here in total I think
16:50:38 <joepie91> yes, it definitely does
16:51:26 <ryan> that's actually the most usable bitcoin thing I've ever ran into I think
16:52:10 <zxcvbnm> joepie91: did you see my OWA question?
16:52:50 <DrWhat> zxcvbnm How would i do that?
16:53:59 <joepie91> zxcvbnm: hi
16:54:01 <joepie91> I probably have not
16:54:07 <joepie91> also, ryan, I did an IRL bitcoin to euro exchange today
16:54:13 <joepie91> achievement unlocked
16:54:20 <joepie91> was someone I know though
16:54:50 <zxcvbnm> DrWhat: Well, I'm not sure exactly what context you're doing this in, this is PHP right?
16:55:15 <DrWhat> yes
16:55:34 <zxcvbnm> joepie91: hey :D My question was related to owa (outlook web app), it's kind of far-fetched, but thought you might have an idea. Looking for an add-on similar to gmail's anti-fraud, so when you log in from a different IP a red flag goes up
16:55:49 <ryan> joepie91: yeah, the problem with that is the fact that it's not exactly convenient if you don't know people
16:55:57 <ryan> zxcvbnm: don't use OWA
16:56:07 <ryan> even though exchange is great, OWA isn't
16:56:17 <DrWhat> joepie91 the question is
16:56:18 <zxcvbnm> ryan: That's the problem, we use OWA, and it's a huge attack vector
16:56:18 <joepie91> ryan: I agree, it was more a coincidence than anything else... I was talking about random stuff and bitcoin came up
16:56:30 <DrWhat> Can i store a if statement in a variable
16:56:31 <ryan> zxcvbnm: make it only accessible with a vpn
16:56:39 <joepie91> zxcvbnm: I have absolutely no idea as to your question
16:56:41 <DrWhat> basicly
16:56:52 <joepie91> generally, microsoft thngs are outside my experrise
16:56:53 <joepie91> expertise *
16:56:54 <zxcvbnm> DrWhat: It'd basically be: function foo() { if blah return $blah }
16:57:00 <joepie91> there are exceptions, but as a general rule of thumb
16:57:07 <zxcvbnm> DrWhat: then call foo()
16:57:08 <DrWhat> ok
16:57:19 <DrWhat> thaks
16:57:34 <joepie91> hey, uh, wait
16:57:36 <zxcvbnm> DrWhat: But you need to pass it parameters, lookup PHP function for exact syntax
16:57:38 <joepie91> about the if statement thing
16:57:41 <joepie91> DrWhat: what *exactly* do you need
16:57:45 <joepie91> as specific as possible
16:58:22 <DrWhat> I want to start a full if/else statement in a veriable
16:58:27 <DrWhat> then echo the veriable
16:58:29 <zxcvbnm> ryan: That is what we want to do, but there is some sandbagging in the way
16:58:37 <joepie91> DrWhat: do you want to store the if statement itself, or the result of it?
16:58:37 <DrWhat> But zxcvbnm Said i should use a finction
16:58:47 <DrWhat> the if statemtn it self
16:58:58 <zxcvbnm> ryan: so, in the interim, I'm trying to leave an audit trail
16:58:59 <ryan> zxcvbnm: that's the only way you can do it without huge points of attack
16:59:01 <joepie91> as in, should it be evaluated when you assign it to the variable, or should it be evaluated when you use the variable?
16:59:03 <ryan> also
16:59:07 <ryan> I were reading unrealircd dev list
16:59:07 <ryan> I think that +u itself should be removed... the main purpose of it in reality is that it allows bot herders to hide their bots. While I understand that they can readd the feature, I think the only real practical aspect is the  moderation component, which behaves like charybdis +z (as seen on freenode).
16:59:17 <ryan> that coming from one of the project founders
16:59:33 <ryan> +u is "don't show non ops in /names"
16:59:35 <joepie91> DrWhat: I think you should explain more about what you're using this for
16:59:50 <joepie91> ryan: like +D, sort of?
16:59:55 <joepie91> but minus appearing on talk
17:00:20 <DrWhat> somthing like that
17:00:21 <DrWhat>
17:00:23 <joepie91> (pft, amateur mail company... instead of getting, they got
17:01:03 <joepie91> DrWhat: I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to do
17:01:09 <joepie91> oh
17:01:11 <joepie91> that line at the top
17:01:11 <joepie91> sec
17:01:31 <joepie91> right
17:01:39 <joepie91> DrWhat: what you want to do is *technically* possible with the ternary operator
17:01:45 <joepie91> but it would get so messy that there's no point in doing so
17:02:00 <joepie91> the best option would be to simply do
17:02:15 <DrWhat> a function?
17:02:26 <joepie91> if($loggedinblah) { $output = "blah blah"; } else { $output = "herp derp"; }
17:02:30 <ryan> joepie91: yeah
17:02:39 <joepie91> I don't really see why you'd need any more than that, DrWhat
17:03:09 <DrWhat> But thats what the if is
17:03:21 <DrWhat> I want to store the statement of if ($vbulletin->userinfo['userid']!=0) {
17:03:36 <DrWhat> then echo $loginstate in the file that include this php file
17:03:42 <DrWhat> where i want
17:03:46 <DrWhat> Like i have atm
17:04:02 <joepie91> DrWhat: there is no reason in itself to "store the statement"
17:04:10 <joepie91> I am trying to figure out what makes you think you need to do that
17:04:11 <DrWhat>
17:04:46 <joepie91> DrWhat: why does a normal if statement not suffice
17:05:05 <DrWhat> Becuase i like having clean includes
17:05:16 <DrWhat> I have index requeiring 1 include
17:05:20 <DrWhat> that then includes all the others
17:05:44 <joepie91> DrWhat: you've now said a few different things, none of which make sense
17:05:49 <joepie91> answer the following questions
17:05:53 <DrWhat> Do i ever make sense :D
17:05:55 <joepie91> as specific and to-the-point as you can
17:06:01 <joepie91> 1. what is the current way your code works
17:06:08 <joepie91> (include code example in pastebin)
17:06:20 <joepie91> 2. what is the way you want your code to work (optionally include pseudocode in pastebin)
17:06:28 <joepie91> 3. why do you want that change to happen
17:06:33 <joepie91> give clear answers
17:06:50 <joepie91> in other news, wtf mail company, y u no recognize my tracking code
17:06:52 <DrWhat> How it works atm is index.php has 1 include
17:07:00 <DrWhat> require('inc.php');
17:07:14 <DrWhat> with then have about 8 other files to unclude
17:07:20 <DrWhat> soo all the code is on the top line
17:07:41 <DrWhat> adding this other file
17:07:53 <DrWhat> I need to have the code in some kinda of variable
17:08:01 <DrWhat> so it can be echo'd out laters in the page
17:08:22 <joepie91> you need to have *what* code in a variable?
17:09:41 <DrWhat>
17:09:58 <DrWhat> that how i want it to work
17:10:09 <DrWhat> So theni can echo $loginstate later in the page
17:10:17 <DrWhat> In a nice cossy place
17:11:09 <joepie91> DrWhat: I don't see what this has to do with if statements
17:11:22 <DrWhat> that is an if statement
17:11:23 <joepie91> you just set the $loginstate variable to what you are echoing now
17:11:26 <joepie91> yes, so?
17:11:30 <joepie91> that if statement will stay there
17:11:39 <DrWhat> if ($vbulletin->userinfo['userid']!=0) {
17:11:43 <joepie91> that whole blob of echo statements, just assign a value to a variable...
17:11:52 <joepie91> the if statement is irrelevant
17:11:55 <joepie91> leave it there
17:11:57 <joepie91> don't touch it
17:12:06 <DrWhat> I dont plan to
17:12:11 <joepie91> you have a crapload of echo statements yes?
17:12:16 <DrWhat> yes
17:12:21 <joepie91> change that code to, instead of echoing it out, assign it to a variable
17:12:32 <joepie91> if you REALLY want to split it up over multiple lines, use the .= operator
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17:12:37 <DrWhat> Ohhh
17:12:57 <DrWhat> So have the if statement Choose what variables get assigned
17:13:15 <DrWhat> then echo those out laster
17:13:31 <joepie91> if(blah)
17:13:31 <joepie91> {
17:13:31 <joepie91>      $var = "blah";
17:13:31 <joepie91> }
17:13:31 <joepie91> else
17:13:31 <joepie91> {
17:13:31 <joepie91>     $var = "derp";
17:13:31 <joepie91> }
17:13:51 <DrWhat> yeah yeah
17:14:02 <DrWhat> ok ill try that
17:14:27 <joepie91> so if anyone ever wonders why I'm such a pain about specifics and wanting all literal information about a situation without making assumptions... this is why :P
17:14:52 <zxcvbnm> psh, specifics shmecifics
17:15:29 <joepie91> zxcvbnm: misunderstanding a problem leads to a non-optimal, ineffective, or even counterproductive solution
17:15:30 <joepie91> :)
17:15:43 <joepie91> 'misunderstanding' includes 'not having enough information to make an accurate guess'
17:15:58 <joepie91> probably one of the reasons for people writing spaghetti code
17:16:08 <joepie91> is people giving answers to problems they don't fully understand
17:16:14 <joepie91> because it wasn't explained fully
17:16:25 <joepie91> so the recipients of the answer try to implement
17:16:29 <joepie91> the 'solution'
17:16:43 <joepie91> and it basically becomes one giant mess because the answer really wasn't suitable for the problem or code they have
17:17:48 <zxcvbnm> Yeah, I don't disagree with that
17:18:03 <DrWhat> I used the piss joepie91 off on a daily bases just beciase i could :D
17:18:10 <joepie91>
17:18:13 <joepie91> FUCKING REALLY GUYS
17:18:19 <joepie91> entering the wrong fucking address
17:18:26 <joepie91> wrong street
17:18:27 <joepie91> I don't even
17:18:29 <joepie91> arargargarhrharhg
17:18:32 <DrWhat> <--- no speaky dutchy
17:18:40 <joepie91> DrWhat: basically, they entered the wrong street
17:18:45 <joepie91> buddingh'plein instead of wijnstraat
17:18:47 <joepie91> number is correct
17:18:51 <joepie91> so is postal code
17:19:05 <joepie91> how the fuck they even end up with that street for that postal code is a miracle to me
17:19:08 <DrWhat> LOL
17:19:11 <DrWhat> i know where you live :D
17:19:16 <DrWhat> Imma come and rape you
17:19:48 <joepie91> DrWhat: my address is public
17:20:10 <DrWhat> Oh :|
17:20:14 * DrWhat feels stupid
17:20:35 <DrWhat> STOP THAT [OFF] its annoying
17:20:43 <DrWhat> Imma start doing [on]
17:20:47 <DrWhat> See how you like it
17:21:34 <DrWhat> [on] im not a pussy nazi
17:21:37 <lady-3jane> I always figure I'd just show up at joepie's house if I'm ever in the area
17:21:45 <lady-3jane> I'll bring some good tea
17:21:52 <joepie91> noone ever has, sadly
17:21:55 <lady-3jane> haha
17:21:57 <joepie91> oh, zxcvbnm, [off] also works with actions
17:21:58 <lady-3jane> that's my challenge
17:22:05 <joepie91> loggy, pointer?
17:22:05 <loggy>
17:22:37 <joepie91> lady-3jane: you'll soon have to change target address then
17:22:44 <lady-3jane> that's my response if someone publishes my address: "Come over, we'll have a beer or tea"
17:22:45 <joepie91> and um, DrWhat, [off] is used to keep things out of the log
17:22:51 <DrWhat> [on] whats that crazy botty doing
17:23:02 <DrWhat> oh
17:23:03 <DrWhat> XD
17:23:08 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) I know haha
17:23:25 <lady-3jane> It likely won't be for a few years anyway
17:23:49 <lady-3jane> you know what sucks?
17:24:04 <lady-3jane> there's ONE localbitcoins person selling in my area. zero ratings.
17:25:13 <joepie91> lady-3jane: heh
17:25:29 <lady-3jane> I can't buy on an exchange
17:25:32 <lady-3jane> at least on mtgox
17:25:50 <lady-3jane> requires a utility bill for proof of residency, and none are in my name
17:26:00 <joepie91> huh?
17:26:09 <joepie91> mtgox require utility bills now?
17:26:21 <lady-3jane> yeah they want a utility bill, tax return, or some other sort of thing like that
17:26:23 <lady-3jane> for proof of residency
17:26:27 <joepie91> wat.
17:26:31 <lady-3jane> it's standard in the USA when you get into money
17:26:36 <joepie91> no
17:26:39 <joepie91> KYC only applies above certain amount
17:26:43 <lady-3jane> but I don't have any of those things
17:26:48 <lady-3jane> what's the amount
17:26:59 <joepie91> enough to not make it matter for average guy trying out bitcoin
17:27:02 <lady-3jane> because I'm not putting 100$ in, looking closer to 2grand
17:27:06 <joepie91> hm
17:27:08 <joepie91> that might be enough
17:27:10 <lady-3jane> yeah
17:27:12 <joepie91> to trigger limit
17:27:13 <joepie91> if at once
17:27:17 <lady-3jane> yes
17:27:19 <lady-3jane> that's the idea
17:27:28 <lady-3jane> which is why I went about verifying
17:27:29 <lady-3jane> haha
17:27:30 <DrWhat> also
17:27:32 <DrWhat> Whos seen wpf
17:27:34 <DrWhat> LLooks gay
17:27:43 <joepie91> lady-3jane: you dont have proof of registration at address?
17:28:14 <lady-3jane> I don't believe so. they said voter registration would work as well, but I don't know what that is
17:28:26 <joepie91> idk how things work there
17:28:31 <zxcvbnm> brb lunnnnnnch
17:28:32 <joepie91> but here you are officially registered with municipality
17:28:36 <joepie91> at an address
17:28:40 <lady-3jane> not here
17:28:44 <joepie91> that's basically where all authorities will also contact you
17:28:45 <joepie91> hm
17:28:48 <lady-3jane> I'm registered to vote here
17:29:08 <lady-3jane> and my state ID card, which would be the closest thing to what you're talking about, is actually at a different address in another town
17:29:10 <joepie91> that should work I suppose
17:29:10 <lady-3jane> :P
17:29:12 <joepie91> hm
17:29:13 <joepie91> crap
17:29:20 <lady-3jane> yeah
17:29:24 <lady-3jane> I have fun with paperwork
17:29:25 <lady-3jane> lol
17:29:32 <joepie91> anyway
17:29:36 <joepie91> I am going to sleep
17:29:40 <lady-3jane> night :)
17:29:44 <joepie91> goodnight
17:29:46 <joepie91> :)
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17:35:03 <DrWhat> LOL
17:35:08 <DrWhat> I found your dox
17:35:13 <DrWhat> MEMBER OF LULZSEC
17:35:16 <DrWhat> XD
17:35:16 <N3xtMission> who's d0x?
17:35:19 <DrWhat> Yeah right
17:35:27 <ryan> same
17:35:33 <DrWhat> your moms dox
17:35:38 <N3xtMission> cool!
17:35:41 <N3xtMission> :P
17:35:47 <DrWhat> You wana suck my pp
17:36:05 <N3xtMission> you wanna suck my pp?
17:36:13 <N3xtMission> i think you like it
17:36:19 <N3xtMission> no
17:36:20 <N3xtMission> serious
17:36:23 <DrWhat> you suck my pp
17:36:32 <N3xtMission> ryan's d0x? or?
17:36:36 <DrWhat> i pay you 9 dollhair
17:36:39 <N3xtMission> cuz i just entered the room
17:36:44 <N3xtMission> :)
17:36:48 <DrWhat> col
17:36:49 <N3xtMission> no thank man
17:36:58 <DrWhat> you dont want 9 dollhair
17:37:19 <N3xtMission> i don't have 9 doll-hairs (i don't play with dols)
17:37:58 <DrWhat> Lulzsec affiliate, friend of Ryan
17:38:02 <DrWhat> Oh hello ryan
17:39:12 <N3xtMission> ooh
17:39:13 <N3xtMission> ok
17:40:24 * N3xtMission yawns
17:40:42 <DrWhat> Wana know the funny thing
17:40:49 <DrWhat> My details are out on the internet
17:40:53 <DrWhat> All scattered
17:41:03 <DrWhat> been like that for 2 years
17:41:08 <DrWhat> Many people hate me :D
17:41:53 <DrWhat> no one but 2 people know my details
17:41:55 <N3xtMission> hahaha
17:41:55 <N3xtMission> lol
17:41:59 <DrWhat> but its out there
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17:42:17 <N3xtMission> not  even 1 person does know my details
17:42:21 <N3xtMission> me included
17:46:44 <lady-3jane> lulz
17:46:54 <lady-3jane> so apparently I'm supposed to have a card that says I've registered to vote
17:46:58 <lady-3jane> haaaahahahaha yeah nope
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17:48:07 <DrWhat>
17:48:08 <DrWhat> :P
17:51:04 <N3xtMission> yeah, flash... right. Like im going to touch that
17:51:14 * N3xtMission no way hozay
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17:54:41 <lady-3jane> josé, asshole
17:57:22 <DrWhat> lol
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18:17:26 <lady-3jane> --> 20 bucks if you can effectively use every single one of those buzzwords in the same article
18:17:55 <lady-3jane> it's gotta be something more than just keyword spam, some article on something useful
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18:27:21 <zxcvbnm> wow
18:27:25 <zxcvbnm> lady-3jane: that is awesome.
18:27:46 <zxcvbnm> You could just repost that list everyday :P
18:27:58 <lady-3jane> I want to copy it and put it on my site
18:28:07 <lady-3jane> give credit to epic and such, ofc
18:28:23 <zxcvbnm> you could set up a twitter account to just cycle through each word every 10 minutes
18:28:25 <lady-3jane> and do a tweet of the article at a random time every day
18:28:29 <lady-3jane> haaaahahahaha
18:28:31 <zxcvbnm> lol
18:28:31 <lady-3jane> that's even better
18:28:48 <lady-3jane> create novel phrases
18:28:52 <lady-3jane> with the words
18:28:53 <lady-3jane> lol
18:28:55 <zxcvbnm> you could have multiple twitter accounts communicate on a backend to tweet the same buzz word combinations at the same times
18:29:04 <zxcvbnm> oh man.
18:29:06 <zxcvbnm> that would be, awesome.
18:31:55 <lady-3jane> hashtag every word and have the bots communicate with one another
18:32:10 <zxcvbnm> lol
18:32:22 <lady-3jane> oh man
18:32:45 <lady-3jane> I know I'm already on a list somewhere, I think that'd bump my ranking a bit
18:32:53 <lady-3jane> hmmhmm
18:33:03 <zxcvbnm> ha
18:33:17 <lady-3jane> I can't decide if that's good for my career or not... dhs not liking me, trying to work at the UN... hmmhmm
18:33:49 <zxcvbnm> probably. you could keep it clean by just making a direct get request to the DHS site and pulling from their list
18:34:05 <zxcvbnm> It's for historical purposes, sir.
18:34:11 <lady-3jane> (It's my major)
18:34:13 <lady-3jane> :3
18:34:39 <lady-3jane> haha if anyone asks give them the results of my foia
18:34:40 <lady-3jane> lol
18:34:41 <zxcvbnm> ah. mine was cs
18:34:48 <lady-3jane> I started cs
18:34:56 <zxcvbnm> but i moved away from it
18:34:57 <lady-3jane> not interested in algorithms or algorithm analysis
18:35:16 <lady-3jane> which is all cs was
18:35:24 <lady-3jane> and... data structure analysis and design
18:35:26 <zxcvbnm> I just don't like spending thousands of dollars on abstract education
18:35:27 <lady-3jane> also not interesting
18:35:37 <lady-3jane> yeah
18:35:44 <lady-3jane> I'm doing exactly that
18:35:50 <zxcvbnm> I've done it
18:35:50 <lady-3jane> majoring in globalization hahahaha
18:36:02 <lady-3jane> NP: [Dual Core - All The Things] [All The Things] [891kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
18:36:05 <zxcvbnm> love globalization
18:36:13 * zxcvbnm <3s global synergy
18:36:22 <zxcvbnm> were those buzz words?
18:36:37 <lady-3jane> supposedly
18:36:44 <lady-3jane> wait, my np?
18:36:45 <lady-3jane> or what
18:36:49 * lady-3jane lost context
18:36:50 <zxcvbnm> no my global synergy
18:37:00 * zxcvbnm contexts
18:37:00 <lady-3jane> I'd say so, but I know what it means too
18:37:36 <lady-3jane> I don't find it a problem to use a buzzword or two here and there, but the sentences made entirely of them are useless
18:37:43 <zxcvbnm> yea
18:37:46 <zxcvbnm> furr sure.
18:37:50 <lady-3jane> not enough grounding to transmit information correctly or at least accurately
18:38:07 <MK_FG> "Cyber Security" section has "Social media", clearly it's a threat
18:38:18 <lady-3jane> I'mma do fucking well at my major
18:38:19 <zxcvbnm> you just used like 6 buzz words MK
18:38:44 <lady-3jane> I have a weird automagic least-common-denominator engine
18:39:10 <zxcvbnm> That interesting, I have an automagic most-common-denominator engine
18:39:16 <lady-3jane> I had a friend recently almost freak out because I spoke to his dad about politics... his dad is sorta tea-party libertarian or hwatever
18:39:18 <lady-3jane> whatever
18:39:21 <lady-3jane> *
18:39:33 <lady-3jane> and the man is supposedly very "stuck in his views"
18:39:43 <lady-3jane> and yet we had a very good discussion
18:39:51 * lady-3jane voted green party last election
18:40:21 <lady-3jane> Because rather than fighting what you can do is bring it back around to fundamental issues both people can agree on
18:40:36 <lady-3jane> approaches to solving the issues may be opposing, but citing problems always works
18:41:21 <zxcvbnm> That sounds too optimistic for current political situation
18:41:29 <zxcvbnm> Albeit, I agree with you
18:41:36 <lady-3jane> both groups can agree that we've trashed our consistition to one degree or another, that checks and balances are no longer being enforced the way our founding fathers would have thought
18:41:46 <zxcvbnm> It doesn't accurately reflect the way anyone acts or talks in govt. right now
18:41:56 <lady-3jane> doesn't matter who you like, that's a problem no matter what the solution is
18:42:08 <lady-3jane> oh I know
18:42:17 <lady-3jane> It's funny, I was always known as a cynic
18:42:21 <zxcvbnm> Doesn't matter who I like, everyone can point at the other person abusing the lack of checks and balances
18:42:22 <lady-3jane> I still don't know why
18:42:31 <lady-3jane> hahaha cynic
18:42:31 <lady-3jane> lol
18:42:34 <zxcvbnm> But both persons will ultimately try and get more power
18:42:38 <lady-3jane> I don't point
18:42:40 <zxcvbnm> So, to me, there is no differences.
18:42:46 <lady-3jane> why point when everyone does it
18:42:48 <zxcvbnm> They try to drive home moral issues which don't mean shit to me
18:42:49 <lady-3jane> systematic problem
18:42:50 <lady-3jane> :P
18:43:00 <lady-3jane> er, systemic problem
18:43:02 <lady-3jane> also systematic
18:43:03 <lady-3jane> lol
18:43:11 <zxcvbnm> here here
18:43:17 <zxcvbnm> to systemia!
18:43:22 <lady-3jane> lol
18:43:25 <zxcvbnm> :P
18:43:27 <lady-3jane> :D
18:43:34 <lady-3jane> yeah I'll do fine with my work
18:43:36 <lady-3jane> whatever it is
18:43:36 <lady-3jane> :P
18:44:13 <lady-3jane> It's a problem though
18:44:26 <lady-3jane> cause everyone expects... hmmm... expects me to use a particular framework
18:44:32 <lady-3jane> because that's what we teach kids
18:44:50 <lady-3jane> classical liberalism, classical conservatism, neocon, neo lib, whatever
18:44:54 <lady-3jane> pick one and stick with it
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18:45:32 <lady-3jane> but I don't operate under such a framework
18:46:02 <lady-3jane> my world politics teacher loved it because whatever she would say (which kids just accepted), I'd always speak up with the opposing side's best counter argument
18:46:05 <lady-3jane> didn't matter what side
18:46:08 * zxcvbnm != framework
18:46:31 <lady-3jane> and some people would ask questions she didn't know the answer to, and usually I'd be able to answer them
18:46:42 <lady-3jane> I taught the fucking international economics chapter
18:46:57 <lady-3jane> tooo eassssy
18:47:22 <lady-3jane> I'm excited, there's a gpe class for my major
18:47:24 <lady-3jane> gonna rape that shit
18:47:47 <lady-3jane> you can get a degree in that shit, `IPE` aka international political economy
18:49:08 <lady-3jane> zxcvbnm:) yeah, but most people subscribe to a framework even if they don't know it
18:49:58 <lady-3jane> which sucks, actually
18:50:20 <lady-3jane> most frameworks are good at certain types of critique
18:50:30 <lady-3jane> particular to each framework
18:50:35 <lady-3jane> which is why I learn them all
18:51:08 <lady-3jane> so it's possible to correctly analyse each situation using the best tool
18:51:19 <lady-3jane> (heh, programming concept :D )_
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19:31:00 <monod> god shave the queen
19:31:03 <monod> hello
19:31:37 <mama> haha
19:31:45 <mama> nice slogan!
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19:31:59 <monod> hehe :)
19:32:28 <mama> :D
19:39:45 <DrWhat> TITS NOW
19:39:48 <DrWhat> NOW NOW NOW
19:39:52 <DrWhat> GIVE ME TITS
19:39:57 <DrWhat> SLAP ME WITH YOUR TITS
19:55:38 <monod> awwwright
19:59:44 <monod> sometimes I think that a reason for some people to feel frustrated is that they're surrounded by impolite or ill-mannered people
20:00:00 <monod> by too* many*
20:05:15 <lady-3jane> monod:) I would say that's correct. It's firmly my belief that if someone can change their situation, they can change their outlook and life
20:05:59 <lady-3jane> even something like different friends in the same city can allow significant changes
20:06:10 <DrWhat> tactical sabitage :D
20:06:34 <DrWhat> I wonder O_o
20:06:40 <DrWhat> <plaintext>
20:06:46 <DrWhat> :)
20:07:21 <DrWhat> Not really
20:07:21 <lady-3jane> monod:) I moved from where I grew up, and dropped much of my angry and impulsive behavior, so I think it can be done :D
20:08:16 <monod> lady-3jane, some things to point out:
20:08:38 <DrWhat> lady-3jane: lady be that?
20:09:03 <lady-3jane> DrWhat:) I'm not female.
20:09:30 <DrWhat> i know
20:09:41 <monod> I didn't :P
20:09:52 <DrWhat> then your a stupid motha fucka
20:09:53 <lady-3jane> DrWhat:) I'm happy to let you project upon me that gender, but if you're going to keep doing so, please stop being misogynist about it.
20:10:13 <DrWhat> ehhh?
20:10:16 <DrWhat> uhhh?
20:10:18 <DrWhat> ermmm?
20:10:19 <DrWhat> What?
20:10:44 <lady-3jane> <DrWhat> [off] fake, since when could girls code <--- this is misogynist.
20:11:16 <DrWhat> I still dont know what the fuck it means
20:11:27 <lady-3jane> I don't mind being female to certain people (I'm not heavily tied to my gender), but just the same I'd rather not be insulted because of it
20:11:55 <DrWhat> Then yoooouuuuu
20:11:58 <DrWhat> Dont know the doctor :D
20:12:29 <lady-3jane> No, I'm intolerant of intolerance.
20:12:58 <monod> lady-3jane, at first I thought you were a boy, fyi. Then, after reading DrWhat's, I had the doubt. Anyway, I wanted to point out: 1) "if someone can change their situation" 2) "they can change their outlook and life"... I'm really slooooow at writing today....
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20:13:30 <monod> one does not simply change his situation
20:13:34 <monod> I think
20:13:43 <lady-3jane> monod:) my gender is not important to me. I'm a person. There are not references to my gender on my site for that reason. :)
20:13:44 <DrWhat> one does not
20:13:46 <DrWhat> two does
20:13:49 <DrWhat> :)
20:13:59 <lady-3jane> monod:) mentally no, that's true. But if you can, even by accident... it can be good
20:14:03 <DrWhat> three makes you a god
20:14:05 <monod> DrWhat, lulz
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20:14:36 <monod> lady-3jane, yeah, by accident, e.g., is what happened to me, university
20:14:43 <monod> that changed me a lot
20:14:46 <DrWhat> ¦|
20:14:48 <monod> and other people too I guess
20:15:00 <monod> but then
20:15:06 <monod> you mentioned outlooks
20:15:12 <DrWhat> I got addicted to weed in college
20:15:25 <DrWhat> university made me an acoholic
20:15:38 <monod> that is, how you... look? Right?
20:15:39 <DrWhat> No work made me a cokie
20:15:59 <DrWhat> Joepie91 made me beutiful
20:16:03 <DrWhat> :P
20:16:16 <monod> omg
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20:16:28 <DrWhat> ?
20:16:31 <monod> it the server talking by itself?
20:16:34 <monod> ooooops
20:16:37 <monod> soooooorry
20:16:38 <DrWhat> ?
20:16:43 <monod> so bad I went
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20:16:52 <DrWhat> ?
20:16:58 <monod> I'm crazy
20:17:00 <DrWhat> ?
20:17:16 <monod> only tired
20:17:20 <DrWhat> lady-3jane i think monod wants some of your muffin top
20:17:21 <DrWhat> AppleJack: P
20:17:25 <DrWhat> :P
20:17:36 <monod> don't know what are you talking about
20:17:44 <DrWhat> :P
20:17:45 <DrWhat> I do
20:17:48 <DrWhat> thats all that matters
20:17:55 <DrWhat> dont let anyone stand in your way
20:18:00 <DrWhat> remebering you are going to die
20:18:06 <DrWhat> is the one rule i life by
20:18:21 <DrWhat> to avoid the trap in thinking you have somthing to loose
20:18:26 <DrWhat> Always follow your heart
20:18:32 <monod> I think
20:18:45 <monod> that "follow you heart" is totally right
20:18:52 <monod> but the former is not that good!
20:18:54 <DrWhat> Ofc it is
20:18:56 <monod> you HAVE to die!
20:19:06 <DrWhat> you ARE GOING TO die
20:19:12 <DrWhat> now or later
20:19:15 <DrWhat> it will happen
20:19:22 <monod> in fact
20:19:48 <DrWhat> infact?
20:19:57 <zest> ow, ow ... serious talks ...
20:20:04 <monod> I mean, "yep"
20:20:09 <DrWhat> WTF
20:20:12 <DrWhat> are you high
20:20:18 <DrWhat> I dont care if you are
20:20:20 <lady-3jane> monod:) sorry was making breakfast... no, outlook is how you view the world and events and things
20:20:25 <DrWhat> Just so that i know why you are making now snese
20:20:31 <monod> why?? <DrWhat
20:20:43 <DrWhat> 14[098:20:51pm14] 14[097DrWhat14]00 Just so that i know why you are making now snese
20:20:50 <DrWhat> no sense*
20:21:10 <DrWhat> [8:20:44pm] [DrWhat] I dont care if you are
20:21:29 <monod> lady-3jane, omg, I didn't expected that meaning O_O
20:21:34 <lady-3jane> in fact "it's a fact" is I think what you meant
20:21:54 <lady-3jane> monod:) yes like... your "look outwards" from yourself
20:21:54 <monod> yeah, is like I wanted to say "I agree"
20:22:08 <monod> ok.
20:22:32 <monod> then, the last one "I moved from where I grew up, and dropped much of my angry and impulsive behavior"
20:22:37 <lady-3jane> like when someone is described as a cynic... if that is true, it is their outlook
20:23:03 <lady-3jane> yes
20:23:29 <lady-3jane> my bad behaviors were caused by the environment I was in. when I changed the environment, the behaviors stopped
20:23:39 <monod> oh ok, now I got your example
20:23:48 <lady-3jane> :D
20:24:00 <monod> sorry, I'm really tired now
20:24:12 <monod> haha zxcvbnm
20:24:22 <zxcvbnm> :P
20:24:24 <lady-3jane> I don't believe that's true
20:24:33 <lady-3jane> I'm quite sure my cause and effect are correct
20:24:45 <zxcvbnm> A!=B because B = B
20:24:57 <monod> I don't get it
20:25:09 <zxcvbnm> Can't assume B is true because of A
20:25:16 <lady-3jane> I'm not
20:25:32 <monod> you don't believe "that"'s true? What "that"?
20:25:34 <zxcvbnm> There's a book out there called "Monster"
20:25:36 * DrWhat squiles
20:25:38 <lady-3jane> monod:) what he's saying is that I cannot attribute my change in behavior to moving, I think
20:25:40 <DrWhat> SPIDER!!!!!!
20:25:46 <zxcvbnm> lady-3jane: right-o
20:25:55 <lady-3jane> but I can
20:25:56 <zxcvbnm> You can certainly say it was ipmortant
20:26:12 <zxcvbnm> important*
20:26:34 <zxcvbnm> The premise behind "Monster" is that a gang-banger in L.A. was only a gang-banger and only murdered people because he was raised in South Central L.A.
20:26:34 <lady-3jane> I'm a very transparent person, and that is a repressed value where I lived. I fought against their repression. I don't have to do that here.
20:26:52 <zxcvbnm> He blamed his environment for his wrong-doings.
20:26:59 <zxcvbnm> And said society is at fault for him being at fualt.
20:26:59 <lady-3jane> it is correct
20:27:09 <zest> nice, love madness
20:27:12 <lady-3jane> I do not believe in free will, so that is correct to me
20:27:30 <zxcvbnm> So what about Tienemen Square ?
20:27:34 <lady-3jane> some free agency, but not out and out free will
20:27:36 <zxcvbnm> Everyone else was in the same environment
20:27:44 <lady-3jane> I know nothing about that event
20:27:46 <zxcvbnm> Why was his behavior different from everyone else in the same environment?
20:27:52 <zxcvbnm> Suitcase > Tanks
20:27:59 <zxcvbnm> 1 dude vs PLA
20:28:11 <zest> fucking money poison society, people wanna become a criminals because they are hungry
20:28:12 <monod> student's riot
20:28:33 <monod> if I'm right
20:28:40 <monod> oops
20:28:42 <monod> students' riot
20:28:57 <lady-3jane> because something in his life was slightly different and led him to make that decision
20:29:13 <zxcvbnm> student's riot = 1 student owns a riot
20:29:17 <zxcvbnm> students' riot = multiple students own a riot
20:29:25 <monod> yes
20:29:26 <zxcvbnm> students riot = multiple students are rioting but don't necessarily have ownership
20:29:27 <lady-3jane> same reason I choose to take every random trip I can, it always broadens my choice matrix
20:29:37 <monod> oops
20:29:58 <monod> < grammatical errors here
20:30:14 <zxcvbnm> < pseudo-grammar whore, not nazi tho
20:30:21 <zxcvbnm> :D
20:30:25 <lady-3jane> ugh why am I crashing
20:30:26 * DrWhat FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP
20:30:28 * lady-3jane rages
20:30:33 * zxcvbnm grammars
20:30:34 <DrWhat> who wants to fp me
20:30:35 <monod> grammar whore means you're goot at it?
20:30:50 <DrWhat> GRAMMAR NAZI
20:30:53 <DrWhat> GO DIE
20:30:53 <zxcvbnm> gut
20:30:59 <zxcvbnm> *
20:31:01 <lady-3jane> good?
20:31:04 <zxcvbnm> gud
20:31:11 <zxcvbnm> *
20:31:15 <DrWhat> g0ud
20:31:16 <monod> lady-3jane, yeah, I think traveling could be really a good experience for the mind of the person
20:31:19 <zxcvbnm> gouda
20:31:25 <lady-3jane> mmm, cheese
20:31:25 <DrWhat> yoda
20:31:26 <zxcvbnm> monod: I guess yes, btw.
20:31:46 <monod> < grammar-whores lover here :P (I'm a "grammar whore" in my mothertongue language :P)
20:31:46 <DrWhat> i dont see anyone fapping me
20:31:52 <lady-3jane> I don't know what it's called elsewhere, but I took a sort of spirit trip when I went on a trip recently
20:31:55 <DrWhat> ^^^^ grammar nazi
20:31:57 <DrWhat> racist bastard
20:31:57 * zxcvbnm travels also, good ideas, I think.
20:32:12 <lady-3jane> I don't know what else to call it
20:32:16 <DrWhat> Ill be in italy soon
20:32:20 <DrWhat> Who wants to fuck
20:32:25 <zxcvbnm> monod: I'm jealous, I have but one tongue, and am poorly versed in multiple languages
20:32:41 <monod> zxcvbnm, are you native english?
20:32:46 <zxcvbnm> aye
20:33:01 <monod> it's proven that children can easily handle 3 languages at the same time
20:33:04 <monod> while they're growing
20:33:07 <monod> AND
20:33:21 <monod> if you want to learn fast, you need an environment that talks that language
20:33:28 <lady-3jane> mmhmm
20:33:32 * zxcvbnm wishes english speaking country would've immersed me in multiple languages
20:33:42 <monod> ahah
20:33:44 <monod> haha*
20:33:51 <lady-3jane> they had two schools that did full spanish immersion in the city I went to highschool in
20:33:59 <zxcvbnm> My best shot at a 2nd language is Swiss-German
20:34:18 <monod> lady-3jane, everything was in spanish? even talks?
20:34:23 <monod> talks among students I mean
20:34:23 <lady-3jane> yes
20:34:26 <monod> that's really important
20:34:28 <lady-3jane> spanish and english
20:34:43 <lady-3jane> you learn both languages
20:35:47 <lady-3jane> hehe
20:36:02 * zxcvbnm cool :D I was in italy last year
20:36:07 <DrWhat> sweet
20:36:23 <monod> zxcvbnm, how it was?
20:36:26 <monod> I hope it was good.
20:36:30 <zxcvbnm> Indeed
20:36:42 <monod> ok, fine!
20:36:44 <zxcvbnm> I was on the border of CH around Ticino area
20:36:45 <monod> where did you go?
20:36:47 <monod> oh
20:36:57 <monod> CH?
20:37:00 <zxcvbnm> Near Lake Maggiore
20:37:03 <zxcvbnm> Switzerland
20:37:07 <monod> oohh
20:37:08 <monod> right
20:37:22 <zxcvbnm> beautiful
20:37:22 <lady-3jane> hahaha I do the same thing
20:37:36 <lady-3jane> use country domain code as country name
20:37:55 <zxcvbnm> My brain tends to work like that quickest
20:37:59 <lady-3jane> yeah
20:38:14 <DrWhat> WE ARE FAGS ONLINE
20:38:17 <lady-3jane> .fag?
20:38:31 <lady-3jane> if they can pony up the 100k to get it...
20:38:34 <lady-3jane> hahahaha
20:39:46 <lady-3jane> no, just a standard adhd addled 12 year old or sommat
20:39:55 <lady-3jane> NP: [Amy Winehouse - Rehab] [Back To Black] [946kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
20:40:15 <zxcvbnm> here here! to adhd addled
20:40:22 * lady-3jane grins
20:40:32 <zest> my watches show time 23:39, anyone else ?? )
20:40:40 <lady-3jane> I was diagnosed at birth with that shit wtf
20:41:01 <monod> sweden
20:41:04 <lady-3jane> I don't really have adhd, but coffee is a nice patch
20:41:14 <zest> no nodes
20:41:27 <monod> oh right
20:41:42 <zest> but close )
20:41:47 <monod> you must be like between turkey and greece
20:42:05 <monod> something like Romania or something
20:42:05 <lady-3jane> mmm I'd love to go to turkey someday
20:42:07 <monod> ?
20:42:08 <zest> italy real ?
20:42:12 <monod> me?
20:42:14 <zest> ye
20:42:17 <monod> yep-
20:42:19 <monod> yep.*
20:42:40 <zest> boring, no one ...
20:42:58 <lady-3jane> haha
20:43:17 <lady-3jane> I want to go to turkey because of the history... 3k year old buildings by fancy new ones
20:43:33 <lady-3jane> mosques as old as civilization
20:43:43 <lady-3jane> and of course, turkish coffee :D
20:43:43 <zest> tokyo - probably nice place and india too
20:44:06 <zest> like modernizm
20:44:15 <lady-3jane> I want to see old
20:44:27 <zest> and math ^_^ ...
20:44:28 <lady-3jane> I would like snapshots
20:44:38 <lady-3jane> but we keep burning the snapshots
20:44:52 <lady-3jane> (library of alexandria, et all)
20:45:45 <zest> library of manuals this is future .. )
20:47:24 <monod> zest, India has almost the same population as China, that is enormous!!! I think I would never like to go where there's that much of a crowd... everywhere! And I heard that, even though Japan stimulate fantasy and imagination, Japanese people are, sadly, more racist than what you could expect...
20:47:41 <monod> lady-3jane, that's kind of art-prone of you
20:47:50 <monod> lady-3jane, so you could like historical cities
20:47:59 <monod> and historical city centers
20:48:35 <zest> I know, don't try to stop me ^_^ ...
20:48:51 <zest> Italy for my mom ))
20:49:03 <zest> sorry about that
20:49:07 <lady-3jane> monod:) haha yeah. I can appreciate art, just not make it myself :P
20:49:10 <DrWhat>
20:49:12 <DrWhat> :)
20:49:22 <lady-3jane> monod:) my version of art is... not in painting or pictures and things :P
20:49:25 <monod> zest, I don't want to stop you
20:49:43 <monod> and I don't understand "Italy for my mom )) sorry about that"
20:50:17 <DrWhat> I wana film a porno in italy
20:50:29 <zest> never mind
20:50:35 <zest> )
20:51:05 <monod> ok..
20:55:38 <lady-3jane> there we go
20:56:06 <lady-3jane> I put "prioritize actions that effectively expand my decision outcome matrix" on my to-do list
20:56:07 <lady-3jane> hahahahaha
20:56:41 <zest> sounds great ...
20:56:42 <zxcvbnm> everyone should have that on their to-do list :P
20:56:56 <lady-3jane> my way of speaking is so funny haha
20:57:11 <lady-3jane> I once asked someone for a "food interface device" aka spatula
20:57:27 <monod> haha
20:57:39 <lady-3jane> couldn't remember the word for a spatula, and hoped they would be able to contextually determine what it was I wanted
20:57:41 <lady-3jane> I was correct
20:57:46 <zxcvbnm> were you on drugs?
20:57:50 <lady-3jane> nope
20:58:01 <lady-3jane> that's a pretty common occurrence for me
20:58:30 <zxcvbnm> you need to turn the alias part of your brain on
20:58:39 <DrWhat> Who want to be in my pornin
20:58:40 <DrWhat> Who want to be in my porno
20:58:46 <zxcvbnm> DrWhat: I am in.
20:58:53 <DrWhat> Ok who else?
20:59:13 <DrWhat> Lol
20:59:16 <DrWhat>
20:59:17 <zest> we need girls )
20:59:18 <monod> I'm out. <_<
20:59:24 <DrWhat> I got girls
20:59:32 <lady-3jane> zxcvbnm:) the alias part of my brain IS on, that's why it's a food interface device... a subclass of which is a spatula
20:59:36 <zest> where ?
20:59:49 <zxcvbnm> lady-3jane: not buying it.
20:59:52 <lady-3jane> :P
20:59:55 <zxcvbnm> hehe
21:00:03 <lady-3jane> all cups are buckets, too
21:00:06 <DrWhat> i got my pair
21:00:07 <DrWhat>
21:00:15 <lady-3jane> I've only recently been able to call them cups
21:00:28 <lady-3jane> but I still have problems differentiating between different types of cups
21:00:51 <zxcvbnm> double positive?
21:01:06 <lady-3jane> hmm?
21:01:11 <DrWhat> ?
21:01:14 <zxcvbnm> differentiating between different
21:01:21 <lady-3jane> no
21:01:25 <lady-3jane> differentiating is a verb
21:01:29 <DrWhat> ^
21:01:37 <lady-3jane> to make different
21:01:38 * monod burps.
21:01:40 <DrWhat> Call it more of a comfirm
21:01:44 <zxcvbnm> make different between different
21:01:51 <lady-3jane> yes
21:01:54 <lady-3jane> because to me they are not different
21:02:02 <zxcvbnm> then you can't call them different
21:02:06 <lady-3jane> I don't
21:02:10 <zxcvbnm> differentiate between cups
21:02:10 <lady-3jane> I call them buckets
21:02:11 <zxcvbnm> you just did
21:02:13 <zxcvbnm> lol
21:02:13 <lady-3jane> and more recently cups
21:02:14 <lady-3jane> lol
21:02:25 <DrWhat> geezus
21:02:33 <zxcvbnm> define: a discrimination between things as different and distinct
21:02:44 <lady-3jane> differentiation
21:02:45 <zxcvbnm> so you can't discriminate the difference between the difference
21:02:57 <monod> yes you can!
21:03:00 <zxcvbnm> lol
21:03:08 <zest> )))
21:03:12 <monod> three things, paired, that are different to each other in 2 different ways :P
21:03:15 <monod> right??
21:03:16 <DrWhat> Differantion Is noing the diffrence between 2 diffrent objects
21:03:19 <DrWhat> now shut up
21:03:52 * zxcvbnm differentiates
21:04:22 <lady-3jane> I'm using the correct terminology. I can differentiate pedantically, but that what I'm talking about is differentiating in situ.
21:04:40 <zxcvbnm> Terminology is fine, it was just redundant is all
21:04:55 <lady-3jane> It always is
21:05:30 <zxcvbnm> super position
21:06:31 <lady-3jane> geology or some other context?
21:06:37 <lady-3jane> I only know the geologic one
21:06:38 <lady-3jane> :P
21:07:18 <zxcvbnm> quantum
21:07:41 * zest fast out
21:08:41 * lady-3jane reads
21:09:05 <lady-3jane> oh the multidimensional existence stuffs
21:09:07 <lady-3jane> yeah okay
21:09:09 <zxcvbnm> ya
21:09:15 <zest> ))
21:10:27 <lady-3jane> yay new steam
21:11:00 <lady-3jane> hahahah fuck you guys and your multi-stage updates
21:11:33 <lady-3jane> oh holy shit blue
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21:41:55 <Ari> Hey joepie91, is there like a sort of central repository for Python libraries?
21:44:30 <lady-3jane> he's asleep
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21:46:58 <lady-3jane> I can't get over how fast ie10 is. I'm angry that I have to admit it's a decent browser :(
21:48:09 <DrWhat>
21:48:09 <DrWhat> LOL
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21:49:03 <DrWhat> So
21:49:22 <DrWhat> Animation makers are not happy with what they got
21:49:27 <DrWhat> THEY WANT MORE
21:49:56 <Ari> lol
21:50:08 <Ari> lady-3jane, Microsoft is actually starting to turn out some amazing stuff.
21:51:18 <lady-3jane> Ari:) yeah it's shitty to admit. They're breaking a bunch of their old shit to do it, too. It's nice to see them at least attempt a break out.
21:51:45 <DrWhat> ari ARE THEY FUCK
21:52:18 <DrWhat> I gave win8 a chance in a virtual machine
21:52:23 <DrWhat> AND DID I FUCK LIKE IT
21:52:25 <DrWhat> NO
21:52:47 <DrWhat> I stayed using xp for another 3 years after win7 was released
21:52:55 <lady-3jane> I'm sorry
21:53:05 <DrWhat> i only did the switch becuase meh games needed dx11
21:53:21 <DrWhat> and dx11 was only working on win7
21:53:27 <DrWhat> But i do like win7
21:53:38 <DrWhat> I was just a bit ikky becuase of vista
21:53:42 <Ari> Huh.
21:53:46 <Ari> Well, I LOVE Win8.
21:53:52 <DrWhat> FUCK WIN8
21:53:55 <Ari> I think Metro is a beautiful interface.
21:53:56 <DrWhat> win8 sucks
21:54:03 <DrWhat> is it fuck
21:54:07 <Ari> To each their own. It's faster, easier, and more intuative.
21:54:07 <DrWhat> Its like paper
21:54:10 <DrWhat> Its flat
21:54:13 <DrWhat> plain
21:54:16 <lady-3jane> metro's pretty, but I refuse to touch it except on a touch-device
21:54:16 <DrWhat> NO STAR BUTTON
21:54:29 <Ari> DrWhat, the start screen is really nice
21:54:32 <Ari> I like it better than the menu
21:54:36 <DrWhat> with a mouse its hard to press start
21:54:39 <Ari> hit the windows key.
21:54:42 <DrWhat> with a finger its much harder
21:54:57 <Ari> Press they button on your keyboard dedicated to opening the start screen.
21:55:02 <Ari> s/they/the
21:55:13 <DrWhat> Still sucks
21:55:35 <Ari> if you say so.
21:55:47 <Ari> Some people like it, some people hate it.
21:55:47 <DrWhat> there are tons of things
21:55:48 <lady-3jane> well since you've made no meaningful defense of why it sucks, I'll just throw out your entire blob of statements
21:56:13 <DrWhat> it does suck
21:56:44 <Ari> Why?
21:56:53 <DrWhat>
21:57:02 <DrWhat> this is me on my win7 laptop hacking away
21:57:30 <lady-3jane> you don't look 12, perhaps you shouldn't act it
21:58:11 <DrWhat> I write stuff like this
21:58:11 <DrWhat>
22:00:11 <lady-3jane> NP: [Dengue Fever - Cement Slippers] [Cannibal Courtship] [1010kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
22:00:40 <lady-3jane> "My boyfriend loves everything about me, except the endless hours of therapy"
22:01:51 <DrWhat> :/
22:03:08 <DrWhat> "Struck By a Turtle? Crushed By a Merchant Ship? There's a Code for That."
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22:04:47 <Ari> Hey DrWhat, that's invalid python. you forgot a colon after your if statement.
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22:05:15 <DrWhat> Also Headbang() isnt a valid call
22:05:36 pzuraq has quit (Input/output error)
22:05:36 <DrWhat> neither is play_drums()
22:05:45 <DrWhat> or whack
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22:06:29 <DrWhat> HELLO
22:06:34 <DrWhat> Mighty0wl was last seen on #crytocc as "S1renide", 23hrs 10secs ago
22:06:40 <DrWhat> Why coming on so much less
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22:08:45 <wh1t3r4bb1t> You know nothing
22:08:47 <wh1t3r4bb1t> ;)
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22:32:31 <DrWhat> HEY GUIYS GUYS
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22:33:40 <DrWhat> do it
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22:55:25 <Ari> You guys should check out
23:03:34 <Divinite> Anyone have any experience with NeoRouter?
23:04:25 <Divinite> and firewalls?
23:14:02 <DrWhat> nope
23:14:13 <DrWhat> Anyone know how to change th color of <s>
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